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ElhewPointer

We have been invited and are going. Hi Point's Nuke Powered Tank (aka Duke). He is currently ranked 3rd. Yes, it will be a long haul out & back...as was mentioned, but it could be a once in a life time opportunity. (We are an "average Joe" that has been previously mentioned, :lol: ) We are honored ...

ElhewPointer

Hearing through a few of the grapevines, a few things about this trial. They are looking to get 14 dogs on the list. Don't know if that is to solve any last minute dropouts from weather etc. The first and second day all dogs will run the entire hour. No pick ups for mistakes or infractions on birds...

ElhewPointer

Sorry, as I haven't been on the site for a while. Some great questions/comments. Here are a few things I want to throw out there. Probably not going to answer all the questions, but a few of them anyway. It is the dog that is qualified, not the pro. If the pro doesn't want to be part of it, that is ...

ElhewPointer

If its a Hunt Test, why would you worry about what the other people's dogs would encounter. You are competing with a standard not with the other dogs so it wouldn't matter what is going on behind you.

ElhewPointer

Your last line on your post is awesome. And guess who the first person to reply was. :roll: Anyway, I think it is a combo of many things. People come to different trials for different reasons. There are your die-hards who are there to win and they want the best judges and a fair shot at the win. Oth...

ElhewPointer

Why isn't it on the Field's calendar? Because it doesn't have to be yet. Would you like to pay for it? Also, if you have any more great questions you are more than welcome to PM me. Thanks for all of your wonderful thoughts. With all this in depth thinking I would assume you will be coming to the t...

ElhewPointer

When you have five positions counting twenty dogs, then what? It's still cherry picking because you are making up the tiebreakers as you go along. http://ngspa.org/DOY/2011-doy.pdf How can you not understand this? In the DOY that you posted there are 11 dogs with 3 pts. It would then go to dogs bea...

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Actually it was considered. Thank you though for looking into it. What if there are 10 dogs that tie for the dog of the year? There are tie breakers in place for that as well set by the NGSPA. Actually, according to the latest information on the NGSPA website, if ten dogs tie for dog of the year an...

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When you say we decided, who is we, who is actually the president and VP and chairman of this event as well as the comittee that will be determining who gets the invite to come. Points decide the invite. Do you understand the dog of the year points system. It is the SAME points. People do not deter...

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It sounds like to me you are trying to make this a English pointer trial as you keep referring to pointers and how you and they do it in some of your posts, last I heard this was supposed to be an ngspa ( German shorthair Pointers ) invitational. Why would you not include amt shooting dog points, a...

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What happens if you get a ten way tie each for eleventh and twelfth? There are tie breakers. Number of dogs entered, etc.... In other words, that contingency wasn't considered. Sounds like cherrypicking. Where's the premium for this "best" trial? Actually it was considered. Thank you though for loo...

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Looking at the current NGSPA point leaders( last updated version on ngspa website anyway ) their seems to be allot of dogs tied in points, are you also considering Amt Shooting dog points. Or what about the dog who has points in both AA and shooting dog stakes or for that matter points in all three...

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Cajun Casey wrote:What happens if you get a ten way tie each for eleventh and twelfth?

There are tie breakers. Number of dogs entered, etc....

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The major thing that comes to my mind is if only the top 12 dogs get invited is just how many would show up? I like the idea & all for it but might have to expand that no to make it viable money wise. Any way Vegas I hope it gets off the ground but might have to go to all the other stakes to make i...

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I would think thier would be a better time for this event, December in Iowa or just south of the border can be bitter cold at that time with last year being an exception. I would think you may want better weather conditions for such an event if you want people to come out and support it. Don't get ...

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Vegas since this a SD Invitational then only the top 12 ranked SD would be invited right? AA dogs would have nothing to do with it correct,I have no problems with that just trying to clarify what exactly we are talking about. Great question! This first year we are just doing the open shooting dog, ...

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All the GSP trial folks on here and only 4 opinions????? Wow! It is pretty much a bogus question is what most are saying and I have to agree. I doubt if you will ever find a winner down grade what they just accomplished an tell anyone they would rather win the other. There is absolutely no reason t...

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As a guy who has judged all three including the sharptail multiple times I think it be fair to invite th Akc AA winners to compete at the party. Then you could reasonably answer the Question. The winner used in 2011 was no boot licker. I agree Ned, its not a matter of boot licker or not. Some of th...

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The reason I ask is because I've been asked to be a part of a comittee to bring, in my opionion, the best field trial to the NGSPA. This December will be the FIRST NGSPA Open Shooting Dog Invitational. I don't own GSP's, but I do have a passion for this sport. In my opinion, this will be the truest ...

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All the GSP trial folks on here and only 4 opinions????? Wow!

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hard to compare,akc you will defeat 100 dogs,ngspa 1/2 or less than that. Booneville,a tough place to run,and find birds.Both harder in different ways. I would take either one,and thank my luck. Actually, its quite easy to compare. There actually are 49 AA dogs in the AKC this year. Im not talking ...

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Either way good luck to all the dogs!

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Cajun Casey wrote: Might not be the dogs that are problematic, but the horses.

HA HA HA HA HA That is awesome. If a horse can't handle an hour in 80 degrees, you need a different ride!!!

ElhewPointer

75 seems pretty nice to me. I would think the best GSP AA dog in the country should be able to handle 75.

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5 scratches because of the heat???????? Are you kidding?

ElhewPointer

Just wondering what the GSP people's opinion is on a question I have.

Do you put more of an emphisis on winning the AKC AA National at Eureka or the NGSPA AA National at Booneville?
Would you rather win a FC in AKC or a Championship in the NGSPA?
Reasons?

Thanks.

ElhewPointer

What about open. The AFTCA doesn't have anything to do with Open Championships. I called the Field and I was told that it would qualify a dog for an open championship.

ElhewPointer

It has been decided today that the championship has been canceled due to conditions of grounds and fear of fire. Thanks for all that were interested in this trial.

ElhewPointer

Doug, You are getting way ahead of yourself here. I just got off the phone with Bernie and any derby or broke dog placement recognized by the FDSB, not the AFTCA is a qualified to run in an OPEN championship. The ones you found, the dogs had no placements. A NGSPA placement qualifies to run in an OP...

ElhewPointer

This has nothing to do with the AFTCA. This is an Open Championship.

ElhewPointer

Just got back from the grounds. Saw plenty of birds. There will not be a horse wrangler at the trial, but often times people are quite willing to let you borrow a horse to run a dog. It is open to all pointing breeds that can be registered with the AF. To be able to run in the Championship, a dog mu...

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Here is the ad for the trial.

ElhewPointer

Aren't pheasant native to China, which means they were "stocked" here in the first place?

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I am proud to announce the Sandhills Field Trial Club will be hosting the first Nebraska Open Shooting Dog Championship. This new Championship will be the seccessor to the Dakota-Saskatchewan Shooting Dog Championship that hasn't been run in a few years. This will be a wild bird trial in the beautif...

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Ive never said that my dog is a 100% Elhew dog. But the majority of him is Elhew and it will work perfect to breed too Elhew bitches. Ohhhh, wait, I think Wehle did that. hmmmmm Back to the OP, I've bought dogs from Nitro Kennels. They have some nice dogs. I'd like to see them do a little more with ...

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+1. Find a dog that was started right and for sale for the right reasons. You'll be able to hunt over it this fall and enjoy doing it. Something like this http://gundogforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=36308&p=344830#p344830 or this http://www.thefieldtrialer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2982...

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http://middlecreekshorthairs.com/Stud_Dogs.html http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3508088735564&set=a.3508087855542.147333.1072177505&type=1&theater On his FB page he has updated pictures of the dogs. He has quite a few dogs that aren't on the website yet and I know he has pups on the ground...

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Ok gearhead, I'll think of another analogy just for you.

ElhewPointer

Did you even read the Tall Timbers study? Yes. Out of curiosity...do you guys ever answer questions?? Skilled at avoiding the discussion of others. Like this... Example...why are their so many unproductives?? honest answer....because these are not hunting dogs that are encouraged to press forward a...

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Did you even read the Tall Timbers study? Yes. Out of curiosity...do you guys ever answer questions?? Skilled at avoiding the discussion of others. Like this... Example...why are their so many unproductives?? honest answer....because these are not hunting dogs that are encouraged to press forward a...

ElhewPointer

A trial is not about finding birds, it is about finding dogs that are superlative expressors of the abilities and characteristics that make up a bird dog - the dogs are pushed to the limits of their abilities and beyond. Those that still function get the nod. I understand that but your statement on...

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The word Versatile, as used by Bird Hunters is a canard, and disingenuous in how its used and errantly applied by so many here. Now that right there is just funny! Canard???? Errantly???? Really???????????????? I'm wondering how many beers a dog has to fetch, and from what it must be fetched from t...

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Bill, what college did you play for and what years were your there? . 1980s in the Big 10 for IU and then to a MAC school, that ran a West Coast Offense. 2 weeks after I transferred, they brought in an O coordinator to run the I, which is why I left IU. I wanted and hoped to get a Pro look with the...

ElhewPointer

My time and money towards my dogs will be spent putting them infront of people who's opinion matters. But thanks for the offer.

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Forgot this one!!!

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http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/ElhewPointer/aceandtess.jpg Point and back. Wild quail. Both dogs in picture retrieved to hand http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/ElhewPointer/cash.jpg Ended up being a hen pheasant. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/ElhewPointer/387855-R1-008-2A_0...

ElhewPointer

Id come on out, bring a dog and listen to you bitch. hahaha

ElhewPointer

Now youre changing the rules. Come on Billy, make up your mind.

ElhewPointer

ver·sa·tile/ˈvərsətl/ Adjective: 1.Able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities Id say the dog meets the "standard". According to Webster and the FRPSA. What in the bloody heck does Websters know about the concept of Versatile Dogs? The broad definition of 'versatile' is be...

ElhewPointer

ver·sa·tile/ˈvərsətl/
Adjective: 1.Able to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities

Id say the dog meets the "standard". According to Webster and the FRPSA.

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