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I have to agree with Hotpepper regarding the nose. The dog in my Avatar has Windyhills Prince James in his fourth generation. His grandmother, on top, is FC Sundance Gypsy Lee (HOF) who is a grandaughter of Prince James. The dog had a huge nose and has passed it on to his offspring. The dog in my si...

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Miller's Miss Bee
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David, Doesn't this post answer your own question? Wyndancer concerning all-age dogs in a breeding program I feel pretty good that the right one can really enhance a breeding program. I was just curious if other breeders had the same thoughts and am still interested if breeders had some breeding se...

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I think if the pups are that young I think your best option is #3, If you don't know the parents or any dogs in the pedigree then picking a good pup as a future competitor and breeding is based entirely on luck. There is too little you can tell about a pup at that age IMO and I've looked at a fair a...

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I would want to see what you want in a dog in the parents. Probably more importantly I'd want to see that they have produced the type of dog I'm looking for. At the breeder it would be great if you could see some of the dogs that the parents have produced. Most breeders should be happy to give you t...

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What are you looking for in your gsp and what do you plan to do with him/her?

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I'm still curious what makes you think one of the pups is better than the other and what age are they? Comparing two experienced 2 year olds and their pedigrees is totally different than comparing two 8 week olds and their pedigrees.

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I would have to agree with the posts above regarding what are you judging. What age pup are you talking about? What is so outstanding with the pup you like because if it is young you are only seeing a fraction of the picture. Performance is related to conformation but also very much has to do with h...

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IMO " to much pressure" is using an e-collar on a gsp that age unless you needed it to teach the pup to come to keep it out of a road that was going to get it killed. Just my opinion.

DAVID

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JKP I wasn't asking if breeders/hunters/trialers wanted to own an all-age dog I asked about using one, a good one as Windancer has described, in a breeding program. Up to recently I have just bred for foot hunting/trial dogs myself but what I wanted was everything a field trialer wants except the ra...

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Also anyone have an opinion about having all-age dogs in a breeding. Why I ask is even though I have yet to try and breed for an All-Age pup, I can see that having all-age dogs who are that way because of intelligence and extreme desire really elevate a breeding program even if they are not produci...

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Good point Doug. I could see that. I also wonder how many late maturing dogs that could have been great are passed on by folks/trainers that don't have the patience or luxury of waiting on them. I have a couple dogs that are out of a NGSPA All Age National Champ that have been great hunting dogs but...

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It's hard to dis-agree with Neil but few have the luxury. I have heard the same thing that Rich is talking about ,repeat breeding, from some very experienced breeders but I can't help thinking that their bar is VERY high and the repeat breeding is still a safe way to get very good dogs. I've had goo...

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If you have experience breeding outstanding dogs or buying pups that become outstanding dogs I am curious if there is a certain breeding philosophy that you feel 1.) produces more outstanding individuals and/or 2.) produces more outstanding individuals who can produce the same. I ask about two scene...

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Sounds like he is doing great. I'd keep him on the wild birds if possible and away for seeing running planted birds especially if they don't fly well. He may chase the wild birds when they flush when he gets more confident and/or excited but it's not too big a deal on good flying wild birds.

David

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You made out OK.........a few years back one of my dogs went in and got the kitty and retrieved it to me. She wasn't going to put it down until I took it. I retreated to the truck and grabbed a bucket and got her to drop it and I put the bucket on it. Thank GOD she had hurt it enough that it didn't ...

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I've sold quite a few pups over the last 10 years and for the most part anymore I have a waiting list or just post them on my web site and sell them before they are ready to go. I can tell you though that selling pups can be very random. I would not worry one bit if they weren't all sold at 6 or 7 w...

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I have to agree with Sharon, the more wild or wild flying birds you can put your dog on the better. Having to find wild birds in their own habitat is even better. Don't get in a rush, sounds like your doing great. A young dog can learn from an older dog if the older dog is very steady and can help l...

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I'm not sure if anyone answered this but www.gundogsonline.com is a good site which draws hunters and trialers. Something I have found is the price of the dogs will dictate how serious of puppy owners you get. I find that people who will pay $500 and up for a pup are serious about it whether they ar...

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Just for the record, in my earlier post on this thread I was being sarcastic. I wasn't trying to say anything but that I don't get these broad generalizations saying "all dogs", all hunters" or "all lines" etc.

David

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Just trying to get this straight as I'm obviously confussed. - ALL AA FT dogs only run at a huge range irregardless of where the birds are or might be. - ALL AA FT dogs are running not hunting. - ALL AA lines produce huge running dogs and All NSTRA lines produce close working dogs irregardless of th...

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Doug, I'll ask the stupid question cause I'd like to know. I'm in South Central Texas and haven't hunted the rolling grassy hills like in you first few pics. The dogs seem to be pointing high, low and on the sides of hills, so are the good AA dogs covering a lot of ground and using the wind intellig...

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It will all be worth it when you get a call or an email telling you how much the new owners are enjoying the pup or how great the dog is doing. I get pictures of my dogs pointing, or with all the birds they shot on a hunt and I get Christmas cards with the family and the dog pictured on them...........

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She can get really intense. The first pic she was almost 25 yards away from the bird just picking up the scent in the breeze.

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I do the same as TAK to ensure fresh vaccines that have been well taken care of.

David

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2 1/2 year old female yesterday.

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Nice!!

I see my "avatar" dog is your Sarge's grandpa on the bottom side.

David

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IMO you are starting formal training to young. I also agree with Ditch Parrot that you are using birds the opposite of the way they should be used. I've gotten many pups young and older to hold point for quite some time using nothing but wild flying or wild birds and NO TRAINING from me. Just enhanc...

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Awesome pictures!! You should do a coffee table book.

David

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13 week old pup scent pointing a released quail.

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Anyone know who won the OSD?

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Call me anytime TEX-X.

David

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www.bluemountainpreserve.com We have concentrated on breeding class natural gsps for the foot hunter for the last ten years. We are now starting to also breed for a little more run in some of our breedings and will start field trialing later this year. I was lucky enough to buy FC/AFC Sundance's Hea...

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I'm in central Texas and can ship.

www.bluemountainpreserve.com 830.370.2070

David Dyal

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I find most of my puppy buyers want females because, as said before, they perceive them as being easier to get along with. It isn't the case at all with my dogs. Probably five years ago, if I had males to sell and people were wanting females, I started asking the buyers why they wanted a female. Whe...

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I would agree with everything Ted said. He's a puppy, let him be one. No need to rush here. Be consistent with the commands you give him at this point ( his name, here etc.) and he'll probably learn them without a formal training session. Sounds like he is doing great.

David

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What a great thread! What awesome dogs!!! The pictures are a blast to look at!

David

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Thanks Ezzy! The female backing is the most intense dog I've ever owned.

David

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8 month old pups

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1 year old pup

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2 Year old female

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Just havin fun. Wasn't trying to weigh in on the debate.

David

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For Greg & Joe

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Picture used to be on Dunfur web site.

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Not trying to start a fight. In reading in other threads about Red Water Rex or Favors dog Trixie I find the stories about what a dog did or does to make it a special dog fascinating. I would like to hear a story about what your dog or a dog you have seen does to elevate it above the rest be it hunt...

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I agree with the posts above but understand your enthusiasm. If you want to prove him as a breeding dog then buy a female that fits him yourself or get someone with a female you think will work who is willing to breed to him and breed her for the pick of the litter pup. The female owner doesn't have...

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I have to totally agree with Zephr. Here's why I think to say a pup over $500 is insane just doesn't fly. To simplify that argument, say you wanted a race horse and you were buying a colt. The colt out of parents with no race horses in the pedigree is $500. The colt out of the parents with a couple ...

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Let me also bring up a different perspective as a breeder. My dogs are well bred, they are outstanding individuals and more importantly I know they will produce great dispositioned pups with strong natural instincts that will become an exceptional hunting dogs if treated properly. I try to sell pups...

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I have to agree with Robert. Sounds like you are going to fast as far as training goes. A man that has been very successfully training shorthairs for almost 50 years once told me that a dog is going to be a pup sometime in his life. You can either let him be a pup when he is a pup or you can expect ...

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I am usually feeding at least a dozen dogs. I have tried Diamond but never got past loose stools. My dogs have always done great on ProPlan. A field trialer told me that Sam's Exceed is made by Purina for Sam's and is pretty much the same formula as ProPlan Performance. I am not certain if that is t...

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