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by Birddogz
Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:01 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: For everyone interested
Replies: 6
Views: 1201

For everyone interested

My female Britt(14) is out of FT stock, I am not sure which dogs. I have ZERO idea where her papers are. I have moved 3 times since aquired her. My deceased male was out of Beans Blaze, Ban-Dee, Nolans last Bullet. Don't remember the order. NLB was his father. My DD is out of Maya Vom Wildflugel and...
by Birddogz
Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:24 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

Re: If you were a betting man/woman

No one said that,what they have said is every one that owns a Bird dog well theirs is the BEST.Trials judged by different people puts some credit to it,but then you don't believe that. Most of the hunting dogs out their have trial dogs some where in their peds.We can't even get Birddogz to post his...
by Birddogz
Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:12 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

Re: If you were a betting man/woman

A contest is a contest call it a trial call it a bet but it's all the samr just that Birddogz wants everything on his grounds by his rules.Like I have said to him before it doesn't take a good dog to find birds where you can trip over them with out one.Find the one bird in a hundred or or more acre...
by Birddogz
Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:34 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

Re: If you were a betting man/woman

If you were a betting type, what would you do with your money in this situation? Take the most winning bird dog in the country in AA. (for that year) Put him in a competition with meat dogs in SD, Oklahoma, Idaho, etc. throughout the country on Phez, quail, chukar, Ruffs, etc. The competition is si...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:31 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

Re: If you were a betting man/woman

Yes, I had to put him down. Cancer. Lots of tears. :cry: My 14 year old Britt still is going. She has pointed 8 roosters this year that I have killed. I have to run a GPS collar on her with an E-collar as well. She can't see or hear well, so I shock her with a little stim to get her to come back, an...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:17 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

Re: If you were a betting man/woman

My point is I get PPs, DDs, GSPs that run NAVHDA, French Britts, DLs, etc. that come from a more hunt test/Euoropean test system, which one puts more game in the bag for the average hunter in the U.S.? I believe it is the test/Euoro dogs if you are honest. Most people don't hunt off of horseback wit...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:49 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: If you were a betting man/woman
Replies: 67
Views: 11775

If you were a betting man/woman

If you were a betting type, what would you do with your money in this situation? Take the most winning bird dog in the country in AA. (for that year) Put him in a competition with meat dogs in SD, Oklahoma, Idaho, etc. throughout the country on Phez, quail, chukar, Ruffs, etc. The competition is sim...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:35 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Garrison that was to all the believers here that think only the most finds are important.Like Birddogz,Nike,& several others. Here is the thing,you can't judge & place dogs by written descriptions you have to ride all braces,watch all the dogs & judge the whole performance of each dog to place them...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:31 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Desire, ground application, intensity, bird work and manners, FINDS, endurance, handle, and intangibles. I don't understand how the dog that finds the most game and handles it well WOULDN'T have desire and all the other qualities. Are you trying to say that if there are too many birds, that a dog s...
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:54 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Finds need to be rewarded. Looks can be a matter of opinion. Maybe the dog that runs to the birds has a superior nose. Like Nolan's last Bullet used to do. :D
by Birddogz
Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:10 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Yeah got a feelin this is the same old boy who's wonder dogs got it handed to em by an 8 month old pup we sold a guy a few years back when the pups owner and an internet dog legend went up to ND. He sure sounds like the same old boy, with the same old brags 7 years later. I am sure only Ezzy and Bi...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:18 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

That makes complete sense. Your dogs and your friends dogs would be a complete waste of time when it comes to killing birds. Nothing could be more clear. :D Come down to ND any time. We hunt Sharpies, Huns, Phez, waterfowl, etc. Our dogs improve our odds, you could learn a thing or two. :lol:
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:38 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Simple but I do like this thread. Style is subjective its like looking at women everybody has their opinions and you can't argue with their personal choice. Efficiency is a measurable concept, quantitatively determined by the ratio of output to input. This is much more clear cut. No room for subjec...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:25 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Simple but I do like this thread. Style is subjective its like looking at women everybody has their opinions and you can't argue with their personal choice. Efficiency is a measurable concept, quantitatively determined by the ratio of output to input. This is much more clear cut. No room for subjec...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:22 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

I will quote a conversation we had some time ago....."Many FT dogs just like to hear the wind whistle through their ears, put them in a blind and have them retrieve ducks and geese, throw them on a chukar hill the next day, pheasant sloughs the next, grouse woods the next. If you do this with one o...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:44 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

] Does a cover dog trial not simulate a hunting situation on wild birds? It considered a field trial I believe. Are wild birds used for NAVDAH testing? Both "Games" as well as all others where dogs are trained to a very high standard produce great hunting dogs. All breeds and trial formats have a ni...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:36 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

How many of the guys who disagree with me hunt as mucgh as I do? Ray? VonZ? Slistoe? I can tell by how they post that they don't hunt nearly as much as I do. They like FTing. So why should I listen to them about hunting? How many on here have as successful kennel as Bob Farris? I don't worship him, ...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:59 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Bob didn't develop the PP, but he has been the leader in bringing the breed to what it is today. Fting does not test a dog in the same way people hunt dogs. Dogs in FTing hunt far too much to the front. They don't retrieve anything. They don't even hunt wild birds normally. They don't go through any...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:59 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Tommyboy - Like it or not,trials are the ONLY meaure of a bird dog which have credibility. I can say i have the greates bird dogs in the county/state/country, but tht ia only MY opinion. I can say they can do this and do that, but again...one man's word about his own dogs. Does anyone here really b...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:55 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: First Pheasant!@
Replies: 5
Views: 1721

Re: First Pheasant!@

Fantastic! Great lookin' Brit too. :D Memories forever. :D
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:52 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

I have already posted a general warning in this thread. I am ashamed of the behavior of some supposedly adult members. Get back to something positive and worthwhile. Do it now. The very next person, and I don't care if it my mother, that posts argumentative BS in this thread or any offshoot of this...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:47 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

My point was shooting the birds is not the measure of the dog...having the dog handle way more birds than I can legally take in season or out of season is much better measure than taking a limit of 2 or 3 birds. I see what you are saying, and I agree that the more birds handled well, the better. Th...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

it is always entertaining to watch a clown.... :lol: Dog A works a dozen birds hunter manages to bag 3 over solid points Dog B works a dozen birds hunter cap pistols/photographs 8 or 10 over solid points Who's dog has worked birds more successfully......No answer needed, I know the answer :P That i...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:42 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Elkhunter wrote:Birddogz, you are entertaining for sure!
I try! :D
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:27 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

No one said the western states didn't have more birds that's a known fact,I have lived in Ohio all my life & untill we had the blizzards of 77 & 78 we had plenty of bobwhite quail & our limit was still only 6 a day.We had phez a plenty up into the 60's. Now it's all about deer & turkey.All you guys...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:21 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

No one said the western states didn't have more birds that's a known fact,I have lived in Ohio all my life & untill we had the blizzards of 77 & 78 we had plenty of bobwhite quail & our limit was still only 6 a day.We had phez a plenty up into the 60's. Now it's all about deer & turkey.All you guys...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:16 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Oh my God, a person with some common sense. You probably don't live in the East, hunt wild birds, have the audacity to actually EAT what you shoot, and don't FT. You will be disdained for sure! I also agree with Ted, that it does not necessarily take wild birds to make a good bird dog. I love hunti...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:36 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Out of curiousity if there is no need to get a trial dog on wild birds to make really good trial dogs then why do so many professional trialers go north to North Dakota and South Dakota for summer training camps? You can find vast expanses of land to run dogs on in Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:29 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Out of curiousity if there is no need to get a trial dog on wild birds to make really good trial dogs then why do so many professional trialers go north to North Dakota and South Dakota for summer training camps? You can find vast expanses of land to run dogs on in Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:24 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

My pro breaks,runs,& conditions his dogs in Ohio & he wins very very often!! Fact is he just won the GSPCA NFC went to Wye Island Maryland & won the AA Phez Ch.for the 3rd yr in a row plus had RU & won the Derby & another dog he trains went 2nd in the Biggest Amt stake ever ran there.Not bad for an...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:15 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Just for the record Maryland had a very decent population of Phez before the last big building craze (20 yrs ago)....and in case you don't realize they were as wild as the phez in South or North Dakota. We also had more quail then you could shake a stick at and coveys can still be found if your ded...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:20 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

My pro breaks,runs,& conditions his dogs in Ohio & he wins very very often!! Fact is he just won the GSPCA NFC went to Wye Island Maryland & won the AA Phez Ch.for the 3rd yr in a row plus had RU & won the Derby & another dog he trains went 2nd in the Biggest Amt stake ever ran there.Not bad for an...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:46 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

This has to be one of the most uninformed post that I have read. Maybe it's time to get off the high horse. I enjoy every part of the hunt, watching the dogs work is number one, but I sure as heck won't tell someone else how to enjoy their hunt, or they are wrong or less of sportsman if they choose...
by Birddogz
Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:27 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Holy smokes are people funny. I can picture it know, Ezzy with a tweed shooting jacket on horseback going for a run with the dogs, and having to stop for noon tea. :lol: Ezzy you may want to be a metrosexual, but I am into traditions of our country. I shoot what I eat and catch, and believe it or no...
by Birddogz
Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:20 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Full bags are fine but they are not the end all if they were we would always be carring a gun & not a camera or blank gun.There is more to it then killing & most of us age to that point but I guess some never do. :( I don't think that it is the end all be all, but it is the best way to gauge whethe...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

birddog1968 wrote:funny thing is, I don't discount your opinion, its yours. But everyone elses opinion isn't wrong because you can't accept others dont think like you.
This whole thread is about a persons opinion. I don't care what others do, just giving my thoughts on the topic.
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:57 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Agree 100%, I shoot birds all the time. But I dont judge the "success" of a hunt over how many birds I shoot. For example, took my 1 year old GSP out to look at a promising spot in early September and she pointed a covey of wild chuks. First time she ever pointed a covey of wild birds, HUGE success....
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:12 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

I care about how many birds my dogs point, try to kill maybe one bird out of each covey. If its close to home, try not to kill any. I would rather have the birds in the hills than in the freezer! If I find 5 coveys in a day, and I am able to shoot straight, which is rare, I might limit out. Love se...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:10 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Bring on the work, I'm not lazy. :D :D Over the years there have been way way too many heavy bags for them to be considered a trophy of any kind. I admit it was a lot more important years ago but those days are long gone. Seems that's the way it is with most people who have been at this game for a ...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:00 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Just a little side note Bob Whele of Elhew kennel fame was one that got past killing birds & in his later yrs said you don't have to kill birds to make bird dogs.But what did he know?? :lol: I like hunting & killing game is the end to hunting but I like to watch dogs work period!! Whether it's trai...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:35 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Everyone likes to kill some birds, its the folks that can't see the other side of the coin I feel sorry for :wink: 1968, I run my dogs in the off season all the time, and enjoy it very much. I have a starter pistol too. :wink: My original point was that I judge my dogs performance (Efficiency) agai...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:19 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Imagine that spending a couple months on the prairie with a starters pistol.....guess im a photographer :cry: :lol: You don't take a gun to ND? Come on 1968. Why do you travel all the way to ND anyway? You can watch your dogs on a preserve. You like killing wild birds just like most folks......it's...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:06 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Full bags are fine but they are not the end all if they were we would always be carring a gun & not a camera or blank gun.There is more to it then killing & most of us age to that point but I guess some never do. :( I don't think that it is the end all be all, but it is the best way to gauge whethe...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:53 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: When hunting pheasant...
Replies: 17
Views: 2718

Re: When hunting pheasant...

Stealth. GPS collars, no bells or beepers.
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:47 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Must have's for first time owners
Replies: 38
Views: 6349

Re: Must have's for first time owners

Cajun Casey wrote:
Birddogz wrote:gps collar with e-collar is awfully nice.
It's an awfully nice seven Benjamins, too. :)
Worth every penny though. :D
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:44 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Style is the last thing I consider, but it is the cherry on top. A dog that hunts hard never gives up, and is intelligent is what I am after. A goose goes in the water and it is cold and windy in big water, I want my dog to go get it. No holding back. I want a dog smart enough to learn to track a c...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:43 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

But I hunt primarily for enjoyment and that is primarily watching the dogs. I have heard many expressions of this sentiment. So are we breeding dogs that look good?? and what separates that from the priorities of the blue haired show matrons??? they want what looks good too? I have often thought th...
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:26 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Must have's for first time owners
Replies: 38
Views: 6349

Re: Must have's for first time owners

gps collar with e-collar is awfully nice.
by Birddogz
Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:00 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide
Replies: 506
Views: 64462

Re: Style v Efficiency, and or other arguments that divide

Style is the last thing I consider, but it is the cherry on top. A dog that hunts hard never gives up, and is intelligent is what I am after. A goose goes in the water and it is cold and windy in big water, I want my dog to go get it. No holding back. I want a dog smart enough to learn to track a cr...
by Birddogz
Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:13 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Versatile Hunting Pointers?
Replies: 9
Views: 1927

Re: Versatile Hunting Pointers?

I have been saying for years that if a person would have an EP kennel that concentrated heavily on NAVHDA like the GSP and PP guys have, they would sell a ton of pups and improve the breed. NAVHDA is how most folks hunt. If people could get a dog that had the style of the EP with the versatility tha...