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bigsugar

Just lock the thread Greg. Heaven forbid anyone talk about a field trialing related topic here.

I won't talk trialing here again. Please accept my apologies.

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Vagas neither Andy nor myself think you treated our dog unfairly. It just a mess up. Not a big deal. Andy would probably run under you again for what it's worth.

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Yeah and you pick our dog up Vagas when it was our bracemate putting up birds. :D No big deal. Both dogs looked identical. Our bracemate went to be under birds right after that anyway. Andy still gets a chuckle out of that. We had more people in the gallery ask us why we got picked up that day then ...

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I don't sit at home and complain about it either. If I don't like the judge I don't go. Plain and simple.

Also I rarely enter a stake where the judges aren't known by the time of the drawing.

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Doesn't make any sense mudhunter. There's no point in wasting entry fees and traveling if you dont have a legit chance to win from the get go.

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I don't think there is bias towards you for walking in a horseback stake. I don't think personally that a horseback dog can qualify on the ground with a handler being on foot. The AKC makes it really easy for all to compete. You're probably not going to an AFTCA horseback trial and handling off foot...

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Look at the type of dogs they run. If you run the same type of dogs then chances are you'll mesh well with them. If not then I wouldn't ask them to judge or run under them. You won't be happy with either result.

Judges aren't hard to find. GOOD judges are hard to find.

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The job was never finished on the dog and the owner took him before he was ready. The guy should give him back for you for more training until the munching is under better control. The steadiness issue may never be resolved. If the owner is more interested in shooting birds than maintaining trainin...

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This is ole boy is more interested in killing birds then working a dog. That's the entire issue here.

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This appeared in the Jan 7th Issue of the Field. For those of you who don't get trialing or who are interested in trialing that currently don't trial read on.... What advice would you give a newcomer to field trials if you wanted to help him or her succeed in and enjoy our sport a longtime? You coul...

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I'm not looking to help the dog. Its a dog not a person. It should ride in a crate. My dogs ride in my box in the back of the truck or most of the time in the horse trailer.

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Get a crate.

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Then why do clubs even put it in the ad.

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If the trial clubs aren't liable for accidents that occur on the grounds then why would their insurance be high.

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Its funny how much knowledge of big running pointers you have all the sudden. Go watch an all age championship and come back and report what you saw. You'll be surprised.

You have a lot to learn rowdy.

AN

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Ezzy no one ever got on here and said they keep them kenneled their entire lives with no contact thus turning them into wierdos. No one ever got on here and said they aren't good companion dogs and they are aloof idiots. No one ever got on here and said that pointers weren't just as loyal as the nex...

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On top of that I think the majority of Pointer folks lock the dog up in a kennel and the dog only ever knows kennel, dog box, chain gange. So, they turn into unstable dogs and when someone does happen across them they look like, go figure, unstable, whacked-out dogs. Pointers just aren't typically ...

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Try craigslist. You would be amazed at what you can find on there.

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Up the price?

If it doesn't work why not pass the deal onto someone else who could use it?

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That's how topher40 and myself do it when we go to SD in the summer. We stay in the horse trailer and cook everything on site. It's the most fun you can have running dogs I think.

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I agree with that. Never had an elk burger. Heard they're awesome. Be careful with that fire in the desert.

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We don't run "pointer" trials. We run all breed trials. Other then that good post. I might add too that you do have something to prove if you are out there pounding your chest saying that all age shorthairs can compete with all age pointers and that akc gundog shorthairs are the equivilent to horseb...

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A futurity nominated pointer pup 5-600.

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The same dogs that run at Booneville are the ones running AKC Championships. If you really want to compare then open the Championship in Booneville to all breeds. Until then I don't want to hear that they are the same dogs. If they are the same then why don't shorthairs win the Sunflower, The Texas ...

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Tru it is true that shorthairs will roll I have no problem admitting that. I also have seen some shorthairs that I wouldn't mind having (if they didn't bark so much). On the other hand I have been to Eureka and watched the shorthairs run there and that is NOT the same caliber dog as a shooting dog o...

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I don't have an opinion on what a shorthair should or shouldn't do. I know most of the shorthair people I know are after a dog that basically is a short tailed pointer. They want their dogs to run like one, be fast like one, look good going like one and look like one pointed. I think that is evident...

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Let me clarify. I wasn't taking a stab at shorthairs or the folks running them at all. The shorthair folks have a great thing going with the way they have kept the great genetic pool relatively small. That definately drives the price of a legit field trial quality shorthair. You have to look far and...

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Is there anything German about a shorthair today anyway really?

Seems like the shorthair trial crowd spends their entire existence trying to be like the pointer crowd anyway. Just my observation.

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We both post under it myers. I think Rhonda has seen enough good pups and sorry pups to know what shes looking at. I don't think anything is etched in stone at such a young age but if you can't see temperament such as boldness or conformation issues at 4 weeks then you're blind. Do those things mean...

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Elk that's not what Andy said. You obviously have some obsession with Andy. It's not normal. Go back and re read. What he said is that he starts looking at them at 4 weeks for characteristics that he likes. You can tell a little bit about them at that age if you are with your litter everyday and pay...

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Been a couple nice dogs advertised here huh.

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You're right Ray. The show influence is high in the continentals. Andy always gets a chuckle out of pups advertised as "field bred". When we breed a shooting dog winning bitch to a multiple all age champion sire there is no need for the "field bred" tag to be put on them. Casey we can see as many co...

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Casey you seem to like to argue a bunch. That's ok. Randy's Craig County trial will be as Westfalls coming up pretty quick this spring. You should come up and bring your vast knowledge and your string and run em. :lol: Do you agree that field trial shorthairs are harder to find then a field trial po...

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How many championships have you won Casey. And don't give me breed championships. I mean big boy championships. We've not won any. Not even close. Point is there is really no way to tell at 8 weeks what you've got. I think you can really start to evaluate them at 8 weeks but the jury is still out.

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This is a really simple question. There are more field trial quality pointer pups in the world then there are shorthair pups. Not a slight on shorthairs in the least but it's just the truth. Nice pointer pups are a lot more common and easy to come by so they don't carry the value that a nice field t...

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Chris is right. The bird numbers are low. The cover is non existent. It was really dry in Western KS this summer. If you are insistant on coming I'd stay north of I-70. We have a friend in SW KS by Dodge City and he shot his first birds this past weekend. He hasn't seen much. He did say that what fe...

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Ray the problem I see is that breaking them before they learn to go find birds on their own can be a problem sometimes.

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They're only fun to watch when they do the right things.

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Seems like a waste of money. You can find out all those things at home without the entry. As a matter of fact you should have a decent idea of what you have before you enter. In aftca trials puppy stakes are virtually pointless. You don't get anything for a placement and it doesn't qualify you for a...

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What is the point of running a pup in a trial where there is no opportunity to find birds.

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I don't think this reaction is normal. We've given hundreds of shots and never have had a reaction such as this. Probably isn't anything big but definitely not normal.

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Bud from today.

Rita also from today.

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No Rowdy we didn't figure to get maybe one or two responses. Not many people here are into what Andy and I are into in the way of dogs that is. We talked to some trialers on another forum and found out some helpful info.

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Guard Rail is an Elhew bred dog so I wouldn't think it to be an outcross.

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A little Elhew is ok. A lot of Elhew is bad.

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Sometimes leaving them is the best thing for them.

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Let's hear your opinion of them Rowdy.

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Does that make my posts less important then yours ezzy.

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