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volraider wrote:It's a sign of pressure from the trainer. Guess what's going to happen when he points a bird and you walk up and say Whoa!

If you have to whoa him on point to keep him steady then he isn't broke.

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That's why I like a barrel for whoa breaking. Its hands off.

On another if a dog can't take some pressure it isn't worth feeding.

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What I was getting at is that if you were to start winning with him in the write-up they don't put Max. They put his registered name. That's when it starts to matter.

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Nota have you ever won anything with him.?

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Each dog is different mister. Rhondas shootin dog broke without an ecollar at all. Her sister was such a black hearted b!tch. She flip you the bird and run birds up awhen you caught her and administered a little street justice she was off to do it again. I think people get caught up with the idea th...

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Tru I think the reason you don't see many pointers in akc trials is that if a pointer guy wins then all you hear is "good for you, you beat a bunch of shorthairs" So it wouldn't even matter really.

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To each his own Charlie. I am the first person to tell you that dogs and humans aren't equal. However, the way you deal with each isn't really that far off. Charlie if you have kids did you send them to school or did you teach them yourself? If you did teach them yourself did you just buy a book and...

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Yep just an out of state license to hunt birds. You have to have other tags to hun big game and turkeys of course. But just the one time fee per year for birds.

There are some birds here too but you have to look for them.

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http://kdwpt.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/A ... s-and-Fees

Try this $72.50 for non resident.

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ST8 UPPOINTERS wrote:3. Get the dog handling in the field with birds present.

How do you do this with a six month old pup?

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Quick question. If your dog is 99% reliable then why did you buy a collar to begin with? I have dogs here that aren't 99% reliable with a collar ON them let alone with no collar. Why would you want a robot? This is what you are trying to create by making your dog 100% reliable. I don't ever want a d...

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That's right dougie. Some of if them are still down there working dogs.

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No I sure don't.

My last few trial dogs.....

Superbad (Jessie)
Sexual Chocolate (Bo)
Black Sabbath (Sam)

No kennel names here. I don't have a kennel. I'm not a breeder. I'm a field trialer. (at least I try to be)

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I have no desire to name an entire litter, but do ask people to use my name in front of what they want to use as their name. I figure after breeding for 30 years I deserve that. Never had any issue with anyone not complying. I don't think a person who breeds a litter "deserves" anything really. Whe...

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what is the difference between the hobart and nationals..... as far as qualifying? do most of the dogs entered in hobart compete in nationals? would there be an advantage to running the course 1 month prior for those entered in the hobart? A lot of the dogs running in the national next month are in...

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and she usually ends up here... http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347/BetterBirddogs/Field%20Trials/IMG_2212.jpg ..... and put up a pic of a pointer winning against some Vizlsa's. ..... The really cool thing about this picture, is that even though John is posing one of his dogs, both the V's wer...

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Josh don't backpeddle now. If that's your opinion of Ted it's cool. He'll go into the hall of fame when he dies. Remember you heard from me first.

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Josh you can call out whoever you want. You're a big boy. I've never promoted myself as anything. Its an image you've created of me that you can't seem to get over. I happen to think I'll RUN a dog as nice or nicer then the one Vagas OWNED. Not taking anything away from the dog. I have lots of time....

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They were in the stake too. I think there were 10 dogs if my memory serves me right. Elhewpointer (Vagas Mathieson) was ready to demean Rhonda's accomplishment. He's just that way. You'll find that out. If he wins a 10 dog stake it was a great win. If you win a 10 dog stake then you didn't beat anyo...

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She was the only one entered. We put the other dogs in just to make it look better.

Setternut I have been beat by sis already. She's a real nice hound. John always shows up with nice dogs. You have to BEAT him. He's not gonna give you an inch. That's why I like him.

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White out is a good choice too.

There were a lot of pointers in the stake that those two v's beat. Pretty nice dogs I'll tell ya that.

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Scott that's a pretty nice dog. I think Nathan has a bunch of nice white dogs around his place.

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I'll be rootin hard for the old man Elk. He's a long shot in a field of great dogs but I hope he can do it.

Sorry Josh wrong pic. I fixed it. My apologies.

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Elk since you asked I bred to this... http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347/BetterBirddogs/CHPrairielandPride.jpg because I have this.... http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347/BetterBirddogs/Hunting%20Pics/mistigdoy-1.jpg and she usually ends up here... http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347...

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Yeah vagas Ted being close to 10 doesn't help his style either. Conners ez button is a nice choice too.

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Who's your favorite at Ames this year? I'd like to see Prairieland Pride win it myself but that's for personal reasons. I like Happy Jack. Seems wide open to me.

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Knine I didn't realize that. Interesting. Postoak that's not even the same kind of comparison. Those folks wanted to carry those prefixes due to the success of those two particular lines. Those prefixes weren't forced on them by any means. If you were lucky enough to get a true Miller or Elhew prefi...

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This must be an AKC thing. This type of pre registered litters doesn't happen with FDSB bred pups. I would never register a guys pup for him. That should be his thing. Not mine.

BTW the remove the decals of the dealer on our cars.

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I would not buy a pup I couldn't register and name myself. Why should I have to promote someone elses kennel name for free. You don't get to advertise anywhere else for free. That is essentially what the breeder of the litter is doing. He is naming the pups after his kennel name so can you can do th...

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I saw dateline leave him once too. That was an impressive animal.

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I think Ferrel started the trend of all age dogs handling like that. He was something to watch. He could gather a dog anywhere anytime and send him where he wanted him to go.

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There's money to be made running shooting dogs. Tracy and Kinkelaar know that. If everyone continues to leave then they'll be the only ones left. You don't see Tracy run a dog outside of the east coast really either for that matter. Let me rephrase and say I have seen really nice dogs entered in the...

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birddog1968 wrote:Are any of those SD that have won AA , winning on big western grounds on wild birds?

I don't know. I don't care really. They're winning here and that's all that matters to me.

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The days of the true all age type dog are probably behind us. Like Vagas said you have puppies, derbies, and adults. Chris makes a valid point with dogs winning the open all age on Saturday and the open shooting dog on Sunday. There is really no separation in the two now in my opinion. Having seen s...

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Tom you have been told somethings that are both correct and incorrect. Let me clarify. You can walk at a horseback trial if you want. You will not see anything at all if you do. You'll be so far behind in a matter of minutes that it would be pointless. You will only be able to keep up on a horse. In...

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That remains to be seen Elk.

Not ridin. Simply learnin. There's a difference.

Everyone out west is a hero Elk. I'm well aware of it.

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Doug I have never won an all age stake if that's what you're getting at. I have the priviledge of working dogs with folks who are far and above more accomplished in dogs then you'll EVER be and that's their take. I tend to agree with them. I know you're the king out west but there's a reason you sta...

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Caleb I agree 100%. We both know that for some dogs by the time his nose has told him there are birds in the area it's too late. That was the point I was going towards. There are a lot of those type of dogs in the world and sadly enough alot of them are trialed and rather successfully I might add.

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IMO field trials have gotten further and further away from the original idea of finding the best birddogs. In all honesty to win an all age stake you have to have a dog that runs a ton and stays forward with enough handle to finish with him. He has to hunt just enough to make it believable that he i...

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Caleb I disagree. A short nosed dog can't stand off his birds because he can't smell them out there. Come to Kansas this month and hunt some late season pheasants with a short nosed dog and watch those birds take off out of gun range. A short nosed dog will never really gain the experience he needs ...

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You've seen em before I'm sure. The dog that is always right on top of birds before he points them. The dog that seem to always be backing instead of pointing. The dog that always seems to put up birds when the other dogs on the ground seem to be able to handle them ok. The dog that needs scenting c...

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Goldenpatch this is what you should gather.

A dog being good on pen raised birds is training. A dog being good on wild birds is God given. That's the difference. Dogs that are good on both are real common in my part of the country.

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If a "short nosed" dog knows where to go hunting it dosent make much difference, on the other hand I dont want to relocate my long nosed dog 5 times to find birds in a twenty yard strech on either wild or pen raised birds. Birds are birds its all in what the dog is prepared for. The long and short ...

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You can have both. The advantage with pen raised birds is that you have a short nosed dog and still be competitive.

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Shags you are getting nowhere. Rhonda and I are headed out to run dogs off horse because on our training grounds it's permitted.

And necessary.

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I guess that I am a little more considerate then to go to a trial and burden another handler and his dog because of my inability or lack of desire to play the game that way it is SUPPOSED to be play by todays standard. Things change Ezzy and you either evolve with it or parish. Just how it is. If yo...

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Really good video Oscar. The country in Mexico is really nice from the looks of it.

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As for bigsugar's comment above. That statement is completely off base. If a horseback handler is "inconvenienced" by a walking handler then they are in the wrong sport. Walkers are part of the sport. If one cannot handle at the pace of a walker then they should run in AF where there are no walking...

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Have you ever stopped to think about the inconvenience you are putting the other handler through.

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Ezzy I go to trials to see how our dogs stack up against the rest. You can think your dog is the best dog in the world but until you go beat someone then what you think is basically nonsense.

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