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by Chukar12
Sat May 04, 2019 6:50 am
Forum: Polls
Topic: clicker training, who is doing it?
Replies: 35
Views: 19904

Re: clicker training, who is doing it?

Too many overlook the value of learning to learn. The concept of operant conditioning is complex. Complex enough for rampant misuse and misunderstanding. Of course it doesn't supersede prey drive. A dog can learn to stand, go out, turn, crate, recall, and any other building block behaviors you care ...
by Chukar12
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Here are some ideas I have about designing dog enclosures.
Replies: 21
Views: 1425

Re: Here are some ideas I have about designing dog enclosures.

I hope there is a patent pending on this design...
What in the name of all that's holy happened here....?
by Chukar12
Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:52 am
Forum: Hunting
Topic: What does a chap do when Mother Nature calls while hunting?
Replies: 14
Views: 1136

Re: What does a chap do when Mother Nature calls while hunting?

I think one of the most critical competencies for a dog trainer is being able to assess behavior. It is a window to perspective in humans and animals. If we understand perspective we have a basis to communicate, the best way to shape behavior is to communicate in a manner most efficient and germane ...
by Chukar12
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Hunting
Topic: I have been interested in taking up bird hunting
Replies: 52
Views: 2870

Re: I have been interested in taking up bird hunting

Jon Bailey should have been culled from the conversation for his use of racial slurs; since redacted from an earlier post. His substantial annoyance is another matter entirely. As most would understand, Idaho is probably only second to Nevada in barrier free access to reasonably productive public la...
by Chukar12
Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:45 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Shooting Over Running Dogs
Replies: 67
Views: 12186

Re: Shooting Over Running Dogs

Always makes me wonder when people who proclaim one way or another, that steady to kill and release or steady to flush is more efficient for downed birds; have they trained and employed both levels? For most I suspect not, but they do emphatically espouse an opinion. Can you more accurately Mark a m...
by Chukar12
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Trying to purchase a Brittany
Replies: 29
Views: 7006

Re: Trying to purchase a Brittany

I should probably stay out of this, yet here I go. As described above selective breeding does create a genetic disposition. The transparency of those genetics is immediately transformed by the environment the animal is in. That environment is all inclusive to include various imprinting stages within...
by Chukar12
Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:58 am
Forum: New Members: Please Introduce Yourself
Topic: Clicker vs Whistle
Replies: 11
Views: 2448

Re: Clicker vs Whistle

Used traditionally a clicker and a whistle are two different tools. A clicker simply marks a desired behavior, notification if you will that something has been done properly to be followed by a reward. A whistle is generally a cue or command. It is actually notifying the dog to perform a behavior. F...
by Chukar12
Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:49 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Brittany search
Replies: 34
Views: 9681

Re: Brittany search

Bree has always been a striking specimen. The style that dog portrays is built in her genes and I have found it isn't just "pretty." A dog that breaks out with that confidence usually always has the right head and heart for the purpose of performance.
by Chukar12
Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:29 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: RIP Bodie
Replies: 26
Views: 5849

Re: RIP Bodie

Very sorry friend
by Chukar12
Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:28 pm
Forum: Hunting
Topic: Beeper or bell or...
Replies: 25
Views: 6498

Re: Beeper or bell or...

Telemetry hands down. Tracker specifically for what I enjoy doing with my dogs but lots of good, reliable options. Still seeing too many GPS failures too take seriously as true dog recovery device. Every single person i hunt/train with has problems with them and message boards littered with questio...
by Chukar12
Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:11 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: about the Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?
Replies: 32
Views: 14909

Re: about the Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?

Hi mntonester, those pictures and the hunt described were about forty miles north of Reno on the CA/Nev border
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:10 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: about the Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?
Replies: 32
Views: 14909

Re: about the Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?

Distance creates terrible misconceptions in the horseback field trial world. I think it is the nature of people to want tangible metrics, as a result there are a good number of folks who would consider "yardage" the difference between an all-age and a gun dog/shooting dog. In example, 300 yards and ...
by Chukar12
Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:08 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Why are Bird Hunters Afraid of Field Trials
Replies: 62
Views: 15337

Re: Why are Bird Hunters Afraid of Field Trials

I don’t believe the most accurate portrayal of the barrier is fear. Undoubtedly there are those who might be intimidated, a kind word and a mentor may bring some of them along. I take a view of things that I often see as pragmatic but have a complete understanding why others may find it cynical. Fie...
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:44 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?
Replies: 147
Views: 53101

Re: Are bird hunters afraid of field trial dogs?

Oh...and those of you who think my dogs aren't trained well, you are showing your ignorance of hunting a half section(or more) of 2' + tall milo stubble in a good wind. It's so noisy you can't hear the voices in your head if you have any. :wink: And for those of you who haven't hunted in tall grass...
by Chukar12
Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:05 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
Replies: 82
Views: 41781

Re: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?

I force fetch all of my dogs to retrieve. They all retrieve wild birds to hand. Professional trainers sometimes caution their clientele not to have dogs retrieve because folks aren't real consistent or timely.
by Chukar12
Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:57 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
Replies: 82
Views: 41781

Re: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?

I am afraid of wild birds, wild women, Olivia Wilde.. etc
by Chukar12
Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:50 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: make my dog relocate
Replies: 12
Views: 2514

Re: make my dog relocate

Use a pre que to the que. If the head tap releases the dog just prior to the tap say alright, OK or a whistle signal. After enough reps the dog will anticipate the touch release que following the audible que and start moving...it won't take much. The dog is always itching for a little more latitude...
by Chukar12
Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:42 am
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

Welsh, fair enough I asked you what studies. I should have included that I was interested in your application of these theories. As I said, there are points and counter points. My thoughts come from a combined study and experience, and from numerous successes and failures in the field of both my own...
by Chukar12
Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:06 am
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

Welsh there is ample point and counter point studies to the science of this which makes quoting them ... Again from academia, absolutely useless. Unless you establish context for practical application. Do you actually believe people need you to cut and paste links? Classic consultant mentality. A pl...
by Chukar12
Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:19 am
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

Clickers cannot build relationships with animals, they only serve to preserve them. The positive only crowd is attempting to drive the agenda that would discredit or replace the practice. Our modern culture has a misplaced desire to make human and dog relationships equal. For the sake of the dog the...
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

To paint a better picture outside the ridiculous argument, allow me to go back to the concept of behavior with a young dog in fact a puppy. Though I don't teach it in my dogs let's use sit. Traditionally and effectively you can push an eight week old pups hind end to the ground while giving a comman...
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:48 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

You see... this is the utter disappointment of the web. Was this lightening dissemination of information meant to be a cut and paste exercise? Even the sociological experience is scripted. Who didn't see an LOL response coming? At days end, to train a dog for the average guy to the highest level of ...
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:26 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

The link I found and there are many spoke of the alacrity just as you did. Within academia, especially applied in generalities there are terrible pitfalls. It is of little or no value having a discussion of experience and applied techniques with those who haven't the background for it. It does howev...
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:21 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

The link to the article doesn't work so I looked up the abstract. It simply states that in a simple behavior such as sitting it may not prove to be faster...and then goes on to state it's effectiveness in bridging which is exactly where the advantage occurs in practical application for our purposes
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

It isn't how long it takes ... It is what you are trying to achieve. What you leave in and what you take out.
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:27 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

Welsh, what studies? The use of a clicker is by no logic necessary for what we do. Timing and voice inflection are disadvantages if you observe the average trainer. Many are slow and subject to excitement and frustration that dogs may be confused by. Consider this, how do dogs communicate amongst th...
by Chukar12
Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: clicker training
Replies: 59
Views: 31138

Re: clicker training

I am an advocate of clicker training to help establish behaviors; habits if you will in young dogs that are relative to desired traits later in the finished product. In example, teaching a dog to stand up and stand still is a precursor standing on point without the chase. What we see on the video is...
by Chukar12
Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:08 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: My dog result of inbreeding
Replies: 66
Views: 14833

Re: My dog result of inbreeding

I believe those who would profess that they can master genetics are plagued with a terrible social liability known in the science of psychological circles as an inferiority complex, and known to the rest of us just trying to enjoy the day, an activity, maybe a life ... as know-it-alls. I have studie...
by Chukar12
Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:27 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: My dog result of inbreeding
Replies: 66
Views: 14833

Re: My dog result of inbreeding

I worked on the human genome project.Again tell us how genes from the 5th generation are too diluted to be expressed especially if the 5th Gen is nothing but the same breeding pair or even just dogs from the same line?I'll wait. In the 5th generation of any breeding there are 8 pairs on the pedigre...
by Chukar12
Sat May 21, 2016 3:27 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Field Trial Question
Replies: 51
Views: 11908

Re: Field Trial Question

CJ how much would you bet the dog killed the bird? I would acquiesce it is the most likely scenario; however, I have twice been a scout when dog A ripped, killed and abandoned a bird that dog B ran across picked up and returned to their handler. I don't pick up a dog bringing back a dead bird when I...
by Chukar12
Fri May 20, 2016 12:11 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Field Trial Question
Replies: 51
Views: 11908

Re: Field Trial Question

ohh...and rules for field trials should be ambiguous for lots of reasons. For instance, relocation; if I see a dog establish point and relocate itself up to a handler moving in front I do not have an issue...UNLESS, said dog is clearly roading a bird along that is in plain sight, now unless it is in...
by Chukar12
Fri May 20, 2016 12:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Field Trial Question
Replies: 51
Views: 11908

Re: Field Trial Question

A dog by AKC rules used to b able to move out of cover to mark a fall. But I'll tell you right now if it happen's, your history! I would be willing to allow a dog a "move to mark", but have never seen it happen when judging. Everytime the dog moves the handler starts a tirade of emphatic "whoa's". ...
by Chukar12
Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:43 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: A dogs Range
Replies: 13
Views: 3605

Re: A dogs Range

I do miss the Doc
by Chukar12
Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:17 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: A dogs Range
Replies: 13
Views: 3605

Re: A dogs Range

I am of the opinion that all dogs come with a pre determined range that is adjusted by training, environment and the relationship with the handler. Their reaction to the variables is a product of intellect and exposure. I have two legitimate all age dogs in the Brittany world that are very adept at ...
by Chukar12
Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:04 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: backing/honoring
Replies: 37
Views: 12560

Re: backing/honoring

There are lots of ways to work on backing and honoring, those that take a lot of work really seem to not care for it at all. When I train, most of the time the basis of what I do is built off of stop to flush drills. (not always but explaining in brevity is not my strong suit) When I find a dog that...
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:01 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: dog turning aggressive
Replies: 21
Views: 4019

Re: dog turning aggressive

Dogs can become dangerous, their reasoners do not work well, or maybe theirs do and ours don't. In any event, an "evolving" culture would like us to believe in; and exert less force in many circumstances because it isn't nice. Well often it isn't. However, there is one irrefutable law that says natu...
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:54 am
Forum: Brags
Topic: A tiny brag
Replies: 8
Views: 2962

Re: A tiny brag

Congratulations, those are quality placements against quality dogs and handlers.
Joe Gower
by Chukar12
Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:16 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Shy Dog and pigeons
Replies: 14
Views: 3007

Re: Shy Dog and pigeons

Gonehuntin spoke of the possibility that pigeons may be intimidating, that sounds most likely based on what you have provided. I would not initially concern myself with the catching or chasing issue with this dog. My opinion is that you need something to work with and the predatory nature of this do...
by Chukar12
Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:16 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Heat Cycle/Busting Birds
Replies: 6
Views: 1457

Re: Heat Cycle/Busting Birds

Gertie, My money is on the heat cycle, I have seen it lots...enough that my females see very little competition. It is just too frustrating in the inconsistency, and some you will find are effected much worse than others. I would not fret that your training is out the window, but just as you describ...
by Chukar12
Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:47 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Carpet or straw in box?
Replies: 34
Views: 7679

Re: Carpet or straw in box?

I agree that carpet can kill. I don't know where you live...here in CA we can get Rice straw that holds up well, secondarily I use orchard grass...those two bedding varietals hold up and produce less dust
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:43 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Bird Dog Wars
Replies: 104
Views: 23638

Re: Bird Dog Wars

nikegundog wrote:Who's subscribing to the Outdoor channel other than hunters...... No one, this appeasing the masses is nonsense.
Well lets hope that attitude and strategy is correct, wouldn't bother me at all to be wrong
by Chukar12
Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:01 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Bird Dog Wars
Replies: 104
Views: 23638

Re: Bird Dog Wars

Do you know the amount of money involved in really top of the line show dogs.......Cj More a lot more and that mostly makes Neil's point of supply and demand setting worth. It is a related argument though not completely germane to discuss whether or not the characteristics are right for function......
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:06 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Recall Question?
Replies: 31
Views: 6768

Re: Recall Question?

Polmaise mentioned the checkcord. For those of us fond of proclaiming the e-collar an extension of the checkcord; collar wise would have to be synonymous with checkcord wise, a more advanced yet still an incomplete step in training. Many times a collar wise dog has been rushed through the process in...
by Chukar12
Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:21 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Bird Dog Wars
Replies: 104
Views: 23638

Re: Bird Dog Wars

You need to; or should, consider long and hard your approach and broadcast of competition that involves killing things. It is hard to make a non hunter a pro hunter but really easy to make them anti hunters. Whether we like the culture or not...as they say it is what it is...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:48 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Relocating or going in on the flush
Replies: 57
Views: 14137

Re: Relocating or going in on the flush

Soarer, This is a lot of fun, and I truly enjoyed your video as it shows dogs doing their deal in grand places. However, they aren't very functional. They have exceptional natural ability, but in most cases a backing dog in your video pressures a pointing dog into movement and or steals point and bl...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:20 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Relocating or going in on the flush
Replies: 57
Views: 14137

Re: Relocating or going in on the flush

Brad, we cannot confuse people. If those were wild chukar they would be gone. I see nothing wrong with a dog in training, trying to learn to handle those birds, but I see a dog roading birds there and a situation that needs correction with wild birds, or something to simulate wild birds. I do not ag...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:08 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whoa the dog or let him chase?
Replies: 26
Views: 5793

Re: Whoa the dog or let him chase?

I would call Pierre and ask him how well the dog understands the concept of stop to flush. If Pierre is convinced the dog should be stopping I would ask him how safe HE believes it is to use the collar to roll him to a stop. By rolling I mean a very low e collar nicks until the dog stands. I would a...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:54 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whoa the dog or let him chase?
Replies: 26
Views: 5793

Re: Whoa the dog or let him chase?

Did you do the training or did you have it done? Answering the question responsibly sometimes requires what you might feel is invasive discourse, but I don't think folks mean it that way. I am betting the dog is still pretty young and by your comments, the fun you get out of this is more the result ...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:23 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pups Ecollar experience in the field
Replies: 18
Views: 4336

Re: Pups Ecollar experience in the field

Sorry ...typed a whole response and deleted it as I mixed up two posts. In my interactions with GH he is pretty direct about solidifying the incremental steps of dog training prior to moving on. He is especially specific ( grouchy ) regarding bird work. You may not have done any damage shocking a do...
by Chukar12
Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:39 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: 2015 Brittany NAFC
Replies: 11
Views: 2457

Re: 2015 Brittany NAFC

Thank you all for your kindness. I was very proud of the job Patch did. He had two very nice finds where he looked extremely good on point. You can feel the performance as it happened, handling was effortless as he was always forward and moving to an objective, the only "skill" to the whole thing on...