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by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:19 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Puppy training question
Replies: 6
Views: 1746

Re: Puppy training question

I think what you are looking for is does the reprimand cause an issue for training later down the road . If the dog is responding to songbirds you don't need to encourage it and can just ignore it . The dog will soon learn through training what birds are their objective . And will generally ignore s...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:12 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Next Step - HELP
Replies: 12
Views: 4066

Re: Next Step - HELP

Now is a good time to begin a proven training program based on building off of a dog's known acceptable behaviors to facilitate learning in a positive consistent manner. Yesterday I started to to write a response to this post and I realized after about a hundred words I would have to continue for a...
by 4dabirds
Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:36 am
Forum: Training
Topic: How old is too old to Socialize?
Replies: 7
Views: 2330

Re: How old is too old to Socialize?

It sounds to me that your dog is socialized to people . Unless your talking about aggression towards people . Socialization deals with getting to see anything it comes into contact with as being safe for the dog to be near. Dogs view there world using instinct to see things as being safe or dangerou...
by 4dabirds
Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:16 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Boykin spaniel puppy lost desire to play?
Replies: 13
Views: 3192

Re: Boykin spaniel puppy lost desire to play?

Sounds like the dog has energy to play with other dog just not the owner. Consider the teeth , maybe the dog is getting its adult teeth. If you are losing patience you may have turned the dog away from you. Dogs will avoid playing the game if it facilitates avoiding a correction. Read the book cultu...
by 4dabirds
Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:32 pm
Forum: Hunting
Topic: Banks First Goose
Replies: 17
Views: 4305

Re: Banks First Goose

Thats just awesome . :D :D :D Congratulations
by 4dabirds
Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:44 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Need a new method.
Replies: 30
Views: 5103

Re: Need a new method.

To put this in perspective the op says the dog understands the word no. At this point if there is no consequence to a command of no, then the word is actually meaningless. If you say no and do not correct, the dog gets no benefit from you saying it. The more you use the word no with no correction th...
by 4dabirds
Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:41 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pressure
Replies: 20
Views: 4777

Re: Pressure

You state the dog is trained to flush on command and then you state the dog is not steady in the field. One would assume if the dog is trained to flush on command it would first have to stand through the shot. If the dog had been previously been standing through the shot and is now anticipating the ...
by 4dabirds
Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:40 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Age to teach heel
Replies: 44
Views: 9222

Re: Age to teach heel

Clicker training is unique in that it is a system of communication with the dog, separate from the reward, that connects the act of a behavior with the reward. This is how mis-communication begins. A clicker is a tool that can be used to communicate a message, but is not a system of training. It's ...
by 4dabirds
Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:04 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Do we have any hope?
Replies: 29
Views: 6917

Re: Do we have any hope?

I am looking at this from a slightly different perspective. While I agree on almost all of what has been prescribed , I think getting the dog more confident in its surroundings before you advance may help you at this time . I had a conversation with my training partner about buster this morning on o...
by 4dabirds
Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:15 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pressure
Replies: 20
Views: 4777

Re: Pressure

Is this a trick question ? :D
by 4dabirds
Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:21 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Age to teach heel
Replies: 44
Views: 9222

Re: Age to teach heel

Clicker training is unique in that it is a system of communication with the dog, separate from the reward, that connects the act of a behavior with the reward. So they are separate yet they work together. The desire for the reward motivates the dog to seek the click which in turn motivates the dog t...
by 4dabirds
Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Sitting On the Whoa Board
Replies: 15
Views: 3167

Re: Sitting On the Whoa Board

I think every one gave you sound advice here. I don't know if you have used target training with the clicker which allows you to establish a way to communicate to the dog that the behavior it is exhibiting is not bad but at this time it is something that is not rewardable. By using target training y...
by 4dabirds
Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:41 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Age to teach heel
Replies: 44
Views: 9222

Re: Age to teach heel

Use the clicker to teach heal now. No reason not to. Break it down into a behavior chain. You could use a board to give the dog a reference . Put the board at heal when the dog steps on it click and treat
by 4dabirds
Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Im Back
Replies: 16
Views: 2842

Re: Im Back

[quote="jeffkrop"] So my question is, is there any training I should do before the season? Something that I will be mad I missed? Since sharon said that I was rude maybe I should elaborate. I think that something you have missed Is a logical sequential training program. You do not seem to have one b...
by 4dabirds
Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:36 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Im Back
Replies: 16
Views: 2842

Re: Im Back

http://georgehickox.com/about_george_hi ... -tips.html Probably be a good idea to spend some time brushing up on how to train a hunting dog.
by 4dabirds
Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:30 am
Forum: Training
Topic: E-collar technique
Replies: 16
Views: 2803

Re: E-collar technique

Dogs thrive on consistency . Get sloppy with yours and the dog will follow. If the dog is responding to a command 80 percent of the time you can be sure it understands the command. At this point if the dog is non compliant you need to correct the dog once. The level of stimulation should be signific...
by 4dabirds
Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:41 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Aversives
Replies: 8
Views: 1693

Re: Aversives

Not exactly the topic, but I would like to hear an opinion or two about applying aversives in conjuction with a word or a command in a similar fashion to base loading in clicker training. My personal word is "hey" and I initially only use it (but I always use it) as I am stimulating the e-collar. L...
by 4dabirds
Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:42 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Aversives
Replies: 8
Views: 1693

Re: Aversives

Thought this might help with the discussion,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn7-JZq0Yxs
by 4dabirds
Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:01 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Re-training pigeons to game birds?
Replies: 6
Views: 1089

Re: Re-training pigeons to game birds?

Yes take a step back it is a different picture in the dogs mind. Use a check cord, the dog should pick it up fast.
by 4dabirds
Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:28 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Was this the right correction.
Replies: 14
Views: 2692

Re: Was this the right correction.

Im glad to hear my pointer is not the only one. I like taking him anytime im in the field but I might let him s leep in untill quail season opens up. He really hates standing still unless there is a covey involved. He didnt seem to excited about the dove feathers in his mouth anyway. I spent alot o...
by 4dabirds
Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:33 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Steady to Wing and Shot
Replies: 4
Views: 1779

Re: Steady to Wing and Shot

What method or program are you following for the whoa command ?
by 4dabirds
Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:16 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Distractions
Replies: 6
Views: 640

Re: Distractions

Rod W wrote:Are you shooting the moths, is the pup steady to wing?
I use a 410 for the moths. otherwise there is nothing left of them to eat :D All joking aside have fun with the pup enjoy the stage while it lasts.
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:06 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?
Replies: 60
Views: 10771

Re: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?

I really am enjoying this thread . There is a lot of good points here.
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:01 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

Sounds great. Not bad navigation for a guy from dutchess county
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

As for the original question . Throwing the quail would be fine. Allowing the dog to find and chase is problematic. Pigeons are cheaper and I think will withstand the abuse a little longer. I thought understanding the big picture was really where you needed help.
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

Scientifically speaking , dogs learn by association. So you are not totally wrong. The issue at hand is , you are introducing a dog to a stimulus that can potentially ruin the dog for life. Making the right association is of great importance. The bird being the most distracting, especially a live fl...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:03 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?
Replies: 60
Views: 10771

Re: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?

Teaching a dog to be steady to wing shot and fall and retrieve to hand is different then teaching a dog to be steady til commanded to flush. I think this is the big difference between us and uk so the methods are going to be vastly different. Correct me if I'm wrong bill t. I don't think there is a...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:42 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

Frankly I WAS trying to help you, but in typical New york fashion you seem to already have the answers to your own questions. On here you get the beautiful as well as the ugly new yorkers. Also you don't get to chose what gets posted ! It was just your claim that you had a good understanding of gun ...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:01 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

Using a rubber duck for gun intro? You may as well be using a milk bottle. A rubber anything is not a live bird. The idea is to create an association in the dogs mind using what will be most distracting as well as most rewarding to the dog that the sound of a gun is directly responsible for the dog ...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:18 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?
Replies: 60
Views: 10771

Re: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?

Teaching a dog to be steady to wing shot and fall and retrieve to hand is different then teaching a dog to be steady til commanded to flush. I think this is the big difference between us and uk so the methods are going to be vastly different. Correct me if I'm wrong bill t.
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:09 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?
Replies: 60
Views: 10771

Re: Alternative to Force Fetch and Clicker training?

I am really confused on this post. To me dog training a field dog for obedience is simple. . Train the dog to perform a behavior, once the dog is performing the behavior eighty percent of the time overlay the e-collar. If the dog knows the behavior and has been properly conditioned the the e-collar ...
by 4dabirds
Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:20 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Intro
Replies: 28
Views: 4749

Re: Gun Intro

After reading your previous post I am not so sure you have a good understanding of a proper intro to the gun. You seem to think you took your time but to me it sounds like you are rushing a little. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Use clipped wing pigeon, let dog chase and catch bird, fire blank gun...
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:06 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Small Victories (puppy update)
Replies: 9
Views: 2639

Re: Small Victories (puppy update)

Nice , that's what it's all about !
by 4dabirds
Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:43 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Force fetching a Brittany
Replies: 22
Views: 4389

Re: Force fetching a Brittany

If the dog is not steady now you are putting the cart before the horse expecting it to retrieve. Get the dog steady first then work o the retrieve . If you continue to hunt with the dog in an environment you can not control every repetition of the wrong thing is a lesson in the wrong thing. The dogs...
by 4dabirds
Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Advise needed with retrieval.
Replies: 11
Views: 2323

Re: Advise needed with retrieval.

If you throw a bumper rubbed with hot dog for the dog and the dog runs out and licks it, you just trained the dog to run out and lick it. Don't waste your time just go straight to force fetch. The whole idea of force fetch is to create a mechanism where you can get the dog to retrieve at a high leve...
by 4dabirds
Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:09 am
Forum: Training
Topic: New, need help choosing a training program
Replies: 23
Views: 4744

Re: New, need help choosing a training program

Just remember you get what you pay for. You have stated that you do not understand the clicker training part of this video. Maybe it is time to do a little research on this subject as well as other methods to determine wether they fit your sense of what it is that you expect from your self as well a...
by 4dabirds
Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:42 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hand signals and ecollar use with a deaf dog
Replies: 9
Views: 2515

Re: hand signals and ecollar use with a deaf dog

I agree with the idea of using a vibrate feature as opposed to using stimulation. An inherent behavioral trait in dogs is that they learn to anticipate what is coming next by the cues that are given to them , wether those cues are intentional or not. The dog will know it is food time based on your a...
by 4dabirds
Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:15 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pigeons Breeding
Replies: 4
Views: 589

Re: Pigeons Breeding

All things considered such as daylight/time of year/nutrition-health/and if the birds are settled and secure- when they are around 6 months old. Any or one of the elements mentioned can delay this. You obviously require a cock and a hen of course :mrgreen: ....First signs of mating is usually 'Bill...
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:26 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Perfect Finish question
Replies: 15
Views: 2939

Re: Perfect Finish question

[quote="RoostersMom"] PK Clinic Image 2.jpg There is no scent bird where this guy is in his training. The initial stages of whoa training (after he knows whoa well on the collar and lead) is the handler being a distance away and just "throwing birds" and letting them fly off. As the dog holds his wh...
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:56 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training a 5 year old GSP
Replies: 5
Views: 997

Re: Training a 5 year old GSP

Start from scratch, proper bird intro , then build prey drive by letting the dog chase and catch pigeons. If the dog will aggressively chase clipped wing pigeons then you have something to work with. Once the dog is chasing hard do proper gun intro, wich when done properly will build a positive asso...
by 4dabirds
Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Perfect Finish question
Replies: 15
Views: 2939

Re: Perfect Finish question

So , getting back to the actual question. As in any training method the misapplication of any method will result in a poor outcome for you or your dog. When properly done and not overdone using tethers should look to the dog as though the bird has been shot. As far as routing out the scent bird this...
by 4dabirds
Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:59 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Perfect Finish question
Replies: 15
Views: 2939

Re: Perfect Finish question

I use tethered birds alot. I use a scent bird and keep the launchers out of the scent cone. This way the dog has no interaction with the launcher and the baggage that may accompany it. When you tether the birds use some elastic cord at the last few feet so you do not injure the bird. I use those lit...
by 4dabirds
Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:46 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Kennel training
Replies: 102
Views: 21287

Re: Kennel training

That is the broadest over simplification of dog training I have heard of. Dogs are motivated to please themselves . The dog is motivated by food but when game is present that is the motivator. All training is based on the dogs interaction of itself and the trainer, but only relative to the dogs moti...
by 4dabirds
Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:27 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Kennel training
Replies: 102
Views: 21287

Re: Kennel training

Had another thought on this . When George does this part of his seminar he asks "Does anybody have a dog that is trained on the kennel command that has not been collar conditioned" If some one responds that the dog knows the kennel command he is taking the person at their word. If the dog does not r...
by 4dabirds
Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:41 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Kennel training
Replies: 102
Views: 21287

Re: Kennel training

The first seminar was in Ohio in April, 2013. The second was a series of four Saturdays in June of this year in Bismarck ND. In Ohio we were working in an outdoor pavilion with a kennel on the ground. The point being this was a 6 month pup, new enviroment, with 10 people standing around. He asked m...
by 4dabirds
Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:45 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Steady to Flush
Replies: 5
Views: 1245

Re: VIDEO: Steady to Flush

The dog is steady to the flush but breaks as the gun is set in motion. As the sequence of events happens the dog learns to anticipate by the cues given. First it is the shot as the pre-cue to move ,then it is the gun mount , then it will be the bird flushing. If the dog learns the gun shot is a cue ...
by 4dabirds
Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: E-Collar
Replies: 54
Views: 8047

Re: E-Collar

A little harsh I presume. The Kennel training post (the one where the pup won't come out of the kennel) set me off I guess. My apologies to those who use the e-collar properly. Jim it is apparent to me that you did not understand that post either. The kennel command is used as a way to teach the do...
by 4dabirds
Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:01 am
Forum: Training
Topic: E-Collar
Replies: 54
Views: 8047

Re: E-Collar

much the same here, no matter the breed,but only those that train dogs for game :wink: we may start a little earlier than you guys though? http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr325/robertj1/20120807-112152.jpg But sooner or later they all get the game no matter what. http://i496.photobucket.com/albu...
by 4dabirds
Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:30 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Kennel training
Replies: 102
Views: 21287

Re: Kennel training

If a dog needs to be burned to the pile to show competitive promise, would it not be better to have bred a dog that did not need this treatment to become a so called champion ? And if a dog that has had this treatment is bred ,as some sort of specimen of the breed , isn't this the antithesis of the...
by 4dabirds
Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:20 am
Forum: Training
Topic: building prey drive in a new pup
Replies: 23
Views: 5536

Re: building prey drive in a new pup

http://georgehickox.com/ First you need to pick a sequential training plan. This is the route that I went . First the video then the seminar. There is a lot to learn about this game so take it slow. There is a good section on his website with articles that were published in Shooting sportsman Magazi...