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This is kind of dependent on the program you choose. A good stiff check cord in 20-25 foot a good leather collar

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I'll second Training With Mo or Perfection with the Perfect Start and Finish. Once you pick a program stick to it and don't second guess your self or your dog. But most of all HAVE FUN with your dog

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The python tags work really well they last for about 6 months the purple ones are the ones I use.I take the whole tag and wrap it around the collar and use zip ties to hold it in place.

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We are using a 4x8x8 we can keep about 40 birds in

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I'm using a Pro 100 and like it a lot. I can dial it down low and use low med and high without looking and still have a nick feature that I can fall back on

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I use a stake out chain now. Because when I was at a trail last year I had a shorthair and pointer pull a chain gang out of the ground and get tangled up in the chain. I use the stakes your looking at.

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I lost a dog 10 years ago and he still ain't home had a chip and I.D. tag on his collar and the chip tag on his collar. So I don't care much for chips but the up side to a chip is you can report the dog stolen with the chip company and if a vet scans it it will show stolen.

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Thanks for the complements I'm really liking this pup

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My state requires my name and phone

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How many trainers are using the hands on method. Not hands on a check cord or lead actually hands on the dog for praise and correction not heavy handed discipline a touch to let them they did a good job or a slight correction when needed. I know that times changed and methods changed but I'm going t...

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Middlecreek will have to tell you the breeding on him. That pup is actually holding a live bird on a pigeon pole. If I can keep the style and drive this pup has I'll be in good shape. So far he is all natural pointing and backing. The backing was a mistake on my part I had two birds out and only put...

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I would like to apologise to all that posted on this thread it was meant to help new trainer's not turn into a pissing contest and I helped it along and should not have. I'm sure the three trainers that posted on here would not turn you away if you wanted to watch them work dogs

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Find a program that works for you and stick to it. At 13 weeks I believe that I would just take him to a short grass field and let him run. A well known trainer said that YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT A STEERING WHEEL AND BREAKS ON BUT IT IS ALOT HARDER TO ADD A GAS PEDAL. Let the pup gain confidence and indep...

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Mo I didn't want it to turn that way and I'm sorry it did. But my point was all dogs are readable some not as easy but are still readable

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My original intent in this post still holds true if you want to read a dog well go see a good trainer Pro or Semi-Pro and see if you can help I bet he won't turn you away.

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Glad you got it worked out

A word of caution if you have to put pressure on the toes more than a few days go back to the table and go through the collar conditioning again he didn't get it the first time

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You are 100% right but that was the hardest dog I've ever read and she live at my house till she passed of old age

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this post was about reading a dog please lets keep it to that not what you heard at a seminar or what someone else said

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Cognations First and Second You had a good weekend

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I am not saying they are not small signals but they give a signal. I'm not saying he can't train a dog just most people throw examples out and it is fact. When the hardest dog to read is a Presa Canrio I've owned several breeds that have a bad reputation for no reason at all besides they are powerfu...

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You were using the toe hitch so on the ground you have to use a toe hitch or try putting pressure on his toes with your foot little pressure is all it should take. If that don't work move back to your last successful place than move forward from there. Transitions are always the hardest but step bac...

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[quote="roaniecowpony" I remember Hickox talking about pitbulls often not giving outward signs of agression before an attack. I think we're fortunate most of the sporting breeds show themselves as well as they do.[/quote] That is not true they always give a warning as do all dogs I've see hundreds o...

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All my training over laps general puppy training starts day one till they leave or die of old age.

Not jumping on people
Waiting to be feed
Waiting to go outside
Crate training
Coming to food
And there name

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This post got me thinking how I would approch my next pup so this is how I would 8-16 weeks intro to field 10-18 weeks intro to birds. A few birds by hand than 4 or 5 free flowen into a field let the pup drag a check cord about 10 feet long. Let them bump chase and have fun. By the end of this you s...

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If he picked a program he should follow it. If not he should pick one and stick to it. Many good programs if I was starting out I'd save money and start with Training With Mo easy to follow and gives good fixes to some problems and has a GOOD Support. Perfection is a good program and is easy to foll...

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All dogs learn at different paces if you put a time line on it your hurting yourself and your pup

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RayGubernat wrote:Can you say...

ANTHROPOMORPHISM

Dogs are NOT humans. To treat them or consider them as such is fraught with all sorts of problems, some for the human(s) involved...but mostly it will be problems for the dog.

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Rowdy look it up that's the main reason shelters are full

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I would bet that the dog has caught a few birds and thinks it don't need your help to get a bird. You need to find good flying birds and start from there. You probley did a lot of hunting on hunt clubs and most people are going to rush and try to shoot birds for young dog.

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I misread the post sorry

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First mistake West and Hickox are two totally different styles pick one and start from there. Maurice on the forum would be the one to talk to if you follow the West method

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When you select a training program whether it be Huntsmith, Perfection, Training With Mo, Hickox or any other pick one you can follow and stick to it. It gets real hard to here choose when you have all choose this one no chose this one there are a lot of good programs out today make some calls send ...

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I'm not offended by anything at all keep my opinion to my self just like I did for the first 6 months on the board

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No I don't need a hug. There are a lot of good people on here and a lot of mis information on here also. I've spoke to a few people on here in person and a few in pm's but some think there is one way and that is the only. In my 25 years training I have not stopped learning yet and when I stop learni...

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Well since it seems that there are only two ways to train I'll stay off the training section but I still remember when most of the folks that are being quoted over there were starting out in training for the public. Not saying that they don't have a good program but it seems that only thing is that ...

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To answer your first question most trainers have a 90 day gun dog program. OK in my opinion I would get a good program and follow it start to finish hunt the pup this coming season than if Force Fetch was needed add it later. Now you said pup what are we talking a 8-10 week old or 6-10 month old mak...

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I've used Ezzy's way for a long time an important point of that way is make sure you kill that first bird

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I would suggest Tom Rose dog training with the touch. The clicker training that Hickox thinks is a break through has been around since the mid 90's

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Sorry guys I'm not drinking the Hickox cool-aid you condition the dog to do an action in one place and it dose it. Call it what ever you want it is an assocation thing. I'm not saying that praise and correction don't need to happen in the place and at the time of infraction but it is for memory. Dog...

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OK I proof all my dogs obediance that way if I'm hunting or trailing or just out to let them free run. When I say it is time to whoa or come they do it they could be at 100 yards or 800 yards they do it regardless of distractions. That is why I take them several places. Sorry I still not bevelive th...

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I train several different places to let them know no matter what I'm in charge

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Is it not the dogs job to hit likely objectives to find birds

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4dabirds I'm not a Pro Trainer but I've been competing for a while in dog sports from Coon Hounds to Schutzhund to NSTRA I've placed dogs in all. I've currently got one I'm competing and one I've trained competing. I don't train for money never will I do it because I enjoy watching good dogs come to...

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I understand completely but someone else brought up place boards not me. I just made a general statement that canines are not place orianted. I can't read their minds but I can get across what I want from them. Personally don't push what I do on anybody I have my way you have George's way all is good

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If canines are place oriented than why are coyotes and wolves still here they are canines and move place to place. Whoa boards work because people make them work dog on board stop them and nag any dog enough and they stop on the board every time they get close I'm not saying change what works for yo...

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This post was intended to help people train there dog. The last post was so folks don't put a time line on training it may take 6 months to a year to get a dog where you want it.

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I've been seeing that more and more. A canine is not place oriented we make them that way. If you take a pup and do all the obedience in the same place than that's where it is most obedient if you take that same pup and start his obedience in the yard than move to a city park, a school yard, in the ...

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OK I'm not saying that timing and reading a dog are not important just that if you use these 4 things you can get your timing and reading a dog down. The main reason most trainers can get a dog done in three months is that they see hundreds of dogs a year. I know they all have a method they follow a...

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Knine that was the point I was trying to make I've see several people tell a new trainer to read the dog but if you don't know what your looking at you can't read the dog. When I started the Internet was not around so most of my stuff was trail and error and it was more error than any thing till I s...

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If you look at all the methods that are out on DVD and books. Whether it is Hickcox, Smith, Gramham, Perfection they all have those 4 things in common. Now timing and reading a dog have been mentioned that is what makes a great trainer. As a new trainer if you follow the 4 things listed here your ti...

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