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You have my attention about no pressure training I've never tried no pressure but have had good results with low pressure training

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I learned a long time ago give an opinion when asked and keep my mouth shut and learn. Another well kept secret is use a check cord and be able to know when to move forward a dog will tell you when to add pressure and when to back off

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All good trainers have four things in common. they are consistency, repetition, praise and discipline. Once you get through all the methods they all use those 4 things.

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Doc I have no problem treat training with pups but they need to know there are concquances for non compliance. Ezzy all the videos and seminars don't do any good if you just follow one person. I learned a long time ago the more information you gather the better your results will be. I was at a trail...

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Clicker training is for house dogs not working dogs. It is nothing I would put any faith in, if a house dog don't obey a command it is not a big thing most are in a yard or on leash if a working dog don't obey a command it could be a matter of life or death. A good friend of mine lost two FC beagles...

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This is a little more involved than most of us want to admit. You may be able to read one dog fairly well in 6 to 8 weeks.But to read any dog with accurately you will need to see several dogs a year, and if you really want to read a dog do some decoy work for a schutzhund club and see how well you c...

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There are a number of good books Training with Mo, Wing and Shot, but a better way is go to a pro and help. I don't know any pro that would refuse help planting birds, holding a check cord, rotating dogs, shooting birds. I have learned as much helping as I have reading and the best part of helping i...

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I run NSTRA trails and you are right if you go just to watch it is like watching paint dry but once you start running it is a lot of fun. More people open up and start talking and it can be very additve. I chose NSTRA because it seemed more like hunting with a time limit 30 min brace two dogs two ha...

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What I'm saying is your still at least 2 months from the gun if you rush this you will regret it in the long run. That dog is no where near ready for the next step take some time let him chase some more birds about every other day. Once he is all about birds one shot a week from about 50 yards or mo...

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I not trying to tell you what to do but I would not do anything before I got him over his gun shyness. I would do more bird work with him than. Get the gun out and than formalize the OB than force fetch. Just like your PROGRAM. says

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Yes you can add the beeper to the pro 100

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I would second the pro 100 but at $300 the field 70 is a solid collar

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A check cord or two. I always forget one in the field so I carry a spare. A good quality collar. Time and alot of it.

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Just a suggestion spend more time in the field and less behind a keyboard and he will progress faster. Not trying to be rude but he asked for advice on gun breaking and was given the advise now you are back to all over the place. Doc took time to put a video on here to show proper bird into for you ...

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I trail in the Illinois region

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I want to thank the people that have taken the time to help with my dog we went from the bottom half of a 32 dog field to the top ten. DonF and Middlecreek from the forum and Craig Burns from Muddycreek Kennels and Jon Hann from Perfection Kennels. Through emails and phone calls and some good advice...

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If you go back and look at a post I made about soft dogs. I've been in your postion before you are way ahead of your self . I would suggest taking it real slow till you get have his confdince back up before you have a house pet and not a gun dog

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The first breed that comes to mind is a Boxer, Bull Mastiff, American Bulldog, on the smaller side a Beagle, Carin Tarrier, Boston Terrier for Therapy Dogs. All are very trainable this is not to discredit pit bulls but that was already said. For a service dog depending on the service the best all ar...

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well what you are talking about is not a requirement for field champion in any hound event you can scratch from the show every trail the show is just to qualify for national events

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Yildiz is a nice cheap o/u I have one that was abused for about 9000 rounds than I cleaned it and put 2000 more through it and broke the ejector got in touch with them in an email and they sent me a set of ejectors at no charge had a local gunsmith fit them and cut 4 inches off the barrel and tap it...

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I really agree as to getting children involved is our sport but with age restrictions it is hard to keep them intrested I took my 13 year old son to a NSTRA event to handle but when he found out he had to have a gunner till he was 16 he lost intrest. He has handled in akc for years and bird hunted s...

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Started with pointers and went to shorthairs and back to pointers and back to shorthairs now it will only be shorthairs where I like my pointers most are too quick to take my wife and kids with me so I will stick with my shorthairs

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http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/marchlewskij/FFD82908-FD42-4F59-BE4E-1B72627F9C5C-15726-00001FE03C95530A.jpg My daughter on her first bird hunt last year at 3yrs old. Darn dog listens better to her than me most days.... She was only 3 months old at her first field trial. http://i676.photob...

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Don he really is a nice dog runs about 50-100 yards and hammers his birds the second bird he found was 30 yards off on a dry cold day. I was poking at him due to the fact he is family. The pics he posted were on a hot dry day

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Wish I had a pup that nice. Has a good nose and has good bird drive.

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He really is a nice dog. Covers ground well has a range of 100 to 150 yards. Most of the problems worked out before I stopped yesterday still have to work on the water but I can live with that.

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Well I post I am workIng one now that is broke and forgot he was broke. Flash points takes out the bird flat refuses water and forgot whoa. One good thing about him is he rembers he was force broke. He is behind a pain right now by season I should have him lined out I hope. Just as a side note it is...

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I can speak for all the trainers mentioned here but I have had good results with Muddy Creek Kennels in the past and have had good results with Mo-Ark kennels both Justin Crook and Craig Burns are good people to deal with and both will help over the phone if they can.

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I don't mean to be blunt but if it is in writing you can't miss understand it. I had a problem with a good friend of mine we made a deal on stud service and he had first pick and he picked than the pups changed in the few weeks after he picked and the one he chose was not the one he wanted.

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I have used all the major brand collars and keep going back to Tri Tronics I really like the pro 100 that I'm using now best of all.

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The field 90 my brother inlaw has is hotter than the trash breaker I have I would have went with a pro 100 or pro 500. I curently use a pro 100 or a trash breaker but the trash breaker is to much for most dogs

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The way Brad described is the way I do it works with little effort. I would also add that I don't let the dog retreive every bird only about every 5 or 6 bird one time than every 3 bird the next keep them guessing

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birddog1968 wrote:Sure you could probably get away with only hold....The full FF or conditioned retrieve process has more positive effects then just retrieving....I'd personally go the whole routine.

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No I have not but I have no need for a barrel or place boards or buddy sticks I use a check cord and flat collar or the wonder lead. The barrel is like an A frame in obediance work once use to it they will accept it. Take a pup to an A frame and all of them freeze at the bottom first time the next t...

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I am not going to knock any method I just found I got my best results on the ground. At least we are all working towards the same goal

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Why does the dog stand still on the barrel the first time you put it on it? Or maybe the second time? Because the dog is under pressure he is on unstable ground once he falls off he is getting pressure from the collar. When you put a dog on over load he freezes 80% of the time another reason he is ...

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I have actually come to like a softer dog until I got one I didn't have any idea what a soft dog was I always had the hard dogs no one wanted. It was a real learning experance for me up till than it was middle of the road or hard. In my experance middle of the road is good for an average trainer a h...

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Ezzy that was the point I can give advise but if they read the dog wrong than it will set them back. The dog in my avatar is soft as a marshmallow but if you take things slow and don't add extra steps he picks it up quick. If you push it will set you back two weeks. The good thing about him is once ...

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When I post a response I really am not trying to be a horses behind but until 6 years ago I never seen a soft dog than I got one and added to much pressure to fast and turned that dog into a pet for her life. Soon after that I started looking and found that a soft dog is much harder to train than a ...

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I prefer the ground. Let's face it pressure is pressure if it comes from you a barrel a table a clickers a check cord all whoa training is going to require pressure. Let's face fact if you condition a dog to stop on any word be it whoa or whupp or jellybean until you add pressure that dog don't know...

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Well put Ezzy I am still using a 18 year old check cord and a 3 year old whistle and I still get the same results I got 15 years ago

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Don that was the point I was trying to make why add steps to get to the same point. A check cord is all that is needed to teach whoa. When you add steps you add a lot more pressure than needed.

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My dog has only got shocked two times last season, and I never said I use a whoa post and I dont need the ecollar some folks get pretty upset, when you go outside there mentors relm of training I also have the George Hickox DVDS but I also have others and dont get on here and quote word for word. So...

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I didn't mean to rant but to answer your question start just like you did on the table and than over lay the ecollar it works best to start with the dog walking along side you than add pressure as you give the command and come to a stop make them stand still for a few seconds than repeat may take a ...

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I would like to see some of the people bird hunt caring a place board a buddy stick a shotgun and trying to get all the things to line up right to shoot a bird and than take all the stuff off to send the dog for a retreive. What I always used was a check cord and birds. Whoa is later I am hunting a ...

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I would venture to guess if someone wanted a dog force fetched that this man may have an opening this summer. I will say this he has a very good program that gets results I had mine ff by him last summer the dog was three years old and showed no retreive at all till after his ff. If you don't have t...

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I am no expert but used correctly an ecollar will give you faster results and longer lasting results than with out I was one that thought an ecollar was not a very important tool untill I learned how to use it. It works with soft and hard dogs very well. I have a half deaf American bulldog that will...

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Just wanted to take the time to thank Justin Crook and Eddie Boyd at MoArk kennels for all the help and hrs they put in to help me get my dogs where there are now. Most of the trainers don't get the thanks they desreive

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Just a question. Does anyone tip the trainer anymore?

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