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- Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:10 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Trouble finding training birds
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1894
Re: Trouble finding training birds
Try trapping pigeons yourself. 2-4 traps in decent spots ran every 24 hours thru summer months nets me plenty of pigeons. Due to the way I train I insist on using fresh spooky pigeons and admittedly go to a bit of trouble to supply my needs. Ive looked at keeping homers. They just do not work for me...
- Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:36 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Training Methods
- Replies: 13
- Views: 5527
Re: Training Methods
For my money, The Delmar Smith Method. First couple of dogs I trained were using Delmars book. On a chance encounter while living in Phoenix ran into Bill Gibbons and Bill West. Upshot of that, I spent 4 years around that method learning from them. West retired in that period. That period "spun" my...
- Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:31 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Training Methods
- Replies: 13
- Views: 5527
Re: Training Methods
I use the old school West/Gibbons method. Walker did spend time with Bill West. West wrote the fwd for Walkers book. It is not uncommon for people who adopt the West method to spin an idea and it gains popularity. Mos launchers use is exactly that. A spin born out of necessity ( problems with carded...
- Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:54 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Classical Conditioning
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2485
Re: Classical Conditioning
I have a radio on in the kennels 24/7 ,it's tuned into 'Talk sport channel' I leave a radio on next to my pens. Have done it for years, it started when a fox was coming around late at night. This Drove dogs nuts at 2AM barking. A radio stopped that and keeps the occasional skunk away also. I have l...
- Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:13 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Pup not pointing
- Replies: 27
- Views: 7126
Re: Pup not pointing
FWIW, A pup that age I put them on quail in a recall house. I let them rip em out and chase til their tongue hangs out. I am introducing them to blank pistol and shotgun during this time. Firing blanks and then shot gun while they are chasing. What inevitably happens? They get tired of chasing and n...
- Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:36 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Dog training books
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2306
- Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:38 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Dog training books
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2306
Re: Dog training books
That Lindley guy's style sounds appealing. Mos book is good. Heres a video from the "root" of Mos method. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqSD1nxnHU&list=PLMDYt1fJDF8hwgz2Hxat81c8JxsD2WKEK&index=31&t=19sIts old, not greatest quality, and long, but if you watch carefully, it tells a lot. as an asid...
- Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:12 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Possessive with birds
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2547
Re: Possessive with birds
Reach around to her flank, that flap of skin in front of her hind leg. Lift up, she will open her mouth and turn her head, take your bird when she opens her mouth. Its an old Delmar Smith trick. It works.
A question to ask yourself. Why the change?
A question to ask yourself. Why the change?
- Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:10 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: W TX/SE NM Quail
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4553
Re: W TX/SE NM Quail
SE NM has decent numbers this year. Its spotty. Some areas are better than others. Plenty of public land in NM. I suggest you get a NM atlas (available at walmart for 25 bucks) and look for public land either state or BLM with stock tanks and hunt around them. Generally, theres a covey around a wate...
- Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:36 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: FT dogs not such good hunters
- Replies: 180
- Views: 94352
Re: FT dogs not such good hunters
For those who are interested. I suggest a good read on this subject. William Browns thoughts remain quite pertinent.
https://www.amazon.com/Field-Trials-His ... 0498025543
https://www.amazon.com/Field-Trials-His ... 0498025543
- Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:20 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
- Replies: 43
- Views: 23578
Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Pups will learn to hunt, to point, to be steady to flush and to shot without the owner ever shooting anything over them . I have never found complete steadiness particularly difficult to achieve because, I think, my dogs have had steadiness taught to them in separate little stages. These are stop/s...
- Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:11 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
- Replies: 43
- Views: 23578
Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
I strongly suspect that some "lines" of some American gundog breeds are considerably "harder going" in the sense that they love to run above all else than are the great majority of British gundogs. I have seen pointing breeds and spaniels and retrievers run amok here though ….just about any keen hu...
- Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:53 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
- Replies: 43
- Views: 23578
Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
I am reading "Training with Mo" now. I hear alot of folks recommend and use it and thought it was past due for me to get educated on his approach. Which as you say came from Gibbons/West. The correct order is West /Gibbons. I worked directly with both ( more Gibbons than West)for several years whil...
- Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:30 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
- Replies: 43
- Views: 23578
Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
If you all or Higgins ever want to actually teach us how you go about your training I am all ears. The trainer I follow provides exact and precise step by step video instruction on how to teach each step in his process, demonstrating it on multiple dogs in various stages of their training. It allow...
- Tue May 26, 2020 4:42 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: What is the MOST money you've seen or heard a dog sell for?
- Replies: 39
- Views: 16042
Re: What is the MOST money you've seen or heard a dog sell for?
Ten grand for a well bred derby showing a lot of promise. The transaction was conducted on horseback. Including writing the check. Paper work to be shuffled later.
- Tue May 26, 2020 3:28 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Training Videos
- Replies: 0
- Views: 4106
Training Videos
This is old school West/Gibbons training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z662GhL ... ex=14&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOn3kBU ... K&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z662GhL ... ex=14&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOn3kBU ... K&index=12
- Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:23 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Bar P prefix of the English Pointer
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3938
- Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:49 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Arizona Trainer
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3119
Re: Arizona Trainer
I have not been on here in a long time and see this post. Todd does an excellent job. He trains to AKC and AF standards. Ive known Todd for about 20 years.
- Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:23 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
- Replies: 82
- Views: 77145
Re: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
Reminds me of Shadow Oak Bo circling that covey and working them back towards the handler in the 2014 Championship. Even the handler wondered where Bo was going. :) Judge definitely liked it. First time she did it I wondered what was going on. I just pulled up my horse and watched. It was a down hi...
- Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:57 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
- Replies: 82
- Views: 77145
Re: are Field Trialers afraid of wild birds?
Actually, that can set the stage for what will likely be one of the most awesome and memorable pieces of dog birdwork that is possible to witness. Here's the scenario: Dog that has stood there and watched a bird, or covey run out from under its point. When released, the dog does not trail the birds...
- Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:46 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: How Often Should I Shoot a Quail or Pigeon
- Replies: 32
- Views: 14840
Re: How Often Should I Shoot a Quail or Pigeon
Found out about a new take on non verbal whoa,over lay whoa to the closing of a gun, walk up close the gun and go for the flush You can also make a slight hissing noise as you walk around to flush. Dog can and will hear it. No one else can. Or, hold your hand up like a traffic cop if you wish. The ...
- Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:47 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Lindley training resources
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5621
Re: Lindley training resources
Another book I liked was Dave Walkers. I was already using the West method and read it to see what the differences were between what I knew and what D Walker does.
- Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:45 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Lindley training resources
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5621
Re: Lindley training resources
Ive had that thought before.Becassier wrote:
The West method is that each dog is an individual painting, not something that can be copied.
- Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:28 pm
- Forum: Off Topic Forum
- Topic: Occupations
- Replies: 239
- Views: 162603
Re: Occupations
Retired from USAF in my past life. Now I work Quality Assurance in The nuclear fuel cycle.
- Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:35 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Anyone in AZ interested in helping a newbie?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3421
Re: Anyone in AZ interested in helping a newbie?
You should be able to find someone who can point you towards the Az Pointing Dog Club. Good club, used to do training days.
Long time ago they were the AZ hunting dog club.
You will find folks in that group to help you.
Long time ago they were the AZ hunting dog club.
You will find folks in that group to help you.
- Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:31 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: EP retrieving
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1874
Re: EP retrieving
Try kneeling as dog comes in with the bird. If that works gradually stand up as dog is coming in.
- Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:19 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: range for quail hunting?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 5670
Re: range for quail hunting?
+4 Yep. Here's some typical terrain. May look pretty, but take your leatherman along :lol: : http://images.free-extras.com/pics/a/arizona_desert-1218.jpg http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/arizona-desert-charles-haire.jpg Im guessing pics taken west of Tucson. Not quite as far west as T...
- Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:29 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Anyone having any luck in NM?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6247
Re: Anyone having any luck in NM?
I have found a few covies with decent numbers of birds, but they are few, and far between. You really have to get out and wear out some leather to find them. I have only hunted the covies once and only shot about 1 or 2 birds out of them. The numbers last year were low, and are even lower this year...
- Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:54 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Anyone having any luck in NM?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6247
Re: Anyone having any luck in NM?
I hunt mostly in southeast NM and with the dry weather we had this year the quail are not so plentiful this year. I almost dont even want to hunt them at all with these numbers I'm seeing around here. Are any other NM hunters having any more luck than me? Maybe my spots just arent good this year. I...