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- Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:02 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: UK "Gundog Trust" to go to "Force Free"
- Replies: 16
- Views: 6740
UK "Gundog Trust" to go to "Force Free"
http://www.thegundogclub.co.uk/ My sense is that this is a reasonably small charitable trust and training scheme, similar to hunt tests here perhaps, so may not be a big deal. They seem to be moving to requiring "force free" training. Just wondering if anyone on here from the U.K. had dealt with the...
- Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:27 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: scared on the leash
- Replies: 72
- Views: 31768
Re: scared on the leash
You wanna explain how the stakeout or chaingang method is cruel and inhumane? If you can, you get a participation trophy. The positive reinforcement of the participation trophy is irresistible. :D I don't think staking a dog out, or a chaingang, are cruel or inhumane. This article https://www.psych...
- Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:37 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: scared on the leash
- Replies: 72
- Views: 31768
Re: scared on the leash
You can put your pup on a stakeout or (or chaingang if you have any other dogs) and get out of her way. Leave the area but be in a place where you can keep an eye on her. Let her fight it without association with you. Pretty soon she will learn that resistance is futile and she'll give to the press...
Re: Skijoring
Biggest advice I'd give is get a bungee when you start -- it makes a noticeable difference in shock to you and the dog. http://howlingdogalaska.com/ has a good selection of harnesses etc. I do primarily cani-cross now and less bike-joring because I find it easier to control my dog that way. On a bik...
- Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:08 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Reintroduction to Water?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3302
Re: Reintroduction to Water?
I haven't dealt with this with a dog that initially liked water, but did have a pointer who was 7 months when I got him and initially pretty reluctant to swim. I didn't think of it as being similar to gunshyness in terms of desensitization and counter conditioning at the time, but it makes sense tha...
- Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:54 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Introduce 3 month Old GSP to Water?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4153
Re: Introduce 3 month Old GSP to Water?
Shallow slope and warm water help a lot. Assuming the water is warm, if she likes to retrieve or to follow you, just toss a bumper progressively a bit farther and/or wade in yourself. If you're having her follow you, be sure to not stay out deep and head back in with her and overall keep it fun.
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:07 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25625
Re: Dog Food Study
... Corn is the second ingredient. It is true the mushers supplement with raw, high fat meats to meet the 10,000 calories a day. And yes, pointers and setters are banned from the Iditarod. Did a Google and apparently someone was using standard poodles in the Iditarod in the 80s so they changed the ...
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:50 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25625
Re: Dog Food Study
Sorry, I can't remain silent with such misinformation and nonsense. The total earnings of the winner at Ames is $100,000+, up to a million. We are not talking about a box of free shells or a discount on a parka. Not even Purina could afford to buy off all the competitors, if their food did not perf...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:51 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25625
Re: Dog Food Study
You don't test a food by setting up a list of ingredients and comparing that list to the products.. You get a huge number of different dogs, catagorize the dogs and feed them different foods. Then you check the dogs for health, performance, weight loss or gain. Compare breed to breed, sex to sex, u...
- Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:39 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: How Much Would you Pay for a Pup?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50395
Re: How Much Would you Pay for a Pup?
I think gun dogs are the best value around. I was recently in the market for a close working English pointer. Almost all the breeders I found ask $500-$600. I Ended up buying elhew bred pup for $600. I think that is a heck of a bargain for a dog bred for such a specific purpose. I bought my son a B...
- Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:24 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: catch me if you can and the retrive, an impromptu game
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2321
Re: catch me if you can and the retrive, an impromptu game
I can see the loss of the game of keep-away, if he doesn't respond to a drop/give or take command when given, as potentially a form of pressure (negative punishment) that can help proof a retrieve. So, I can see the potential for bad habits, but also can see where with clear rule enforced as to what...
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:14 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Question for you Raw feeders?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6418
Re: Question for you Raw feeders?
Actually those were foxhounds in the video. Sort of similar in appearance to our pointers, but a completely different breed, except for the fact that the pointer breed has foxhounds in their ancestry! I have lousy sentence structure, sorry! :D I meant your remark about choosing a line of pointers w...
- Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:26 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Question for you Raw feeders?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6418
Re: Question for you Raw feeders?
I feed raw (chicken necks) 2-3 times a week and notice that later that night or the next day after feeding the raw meat, my dogs are more hungry! Either the Raw meat kicks their metabolism up a notch or it doesn't satisfy their hunger. My guess is it kicks their metabolism up. Anyone else notice th...
- Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:49 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Won't retrieve birds
- Replies: 30
- Views: 15688
Re: Won't retrieve birds
Birds are a different texture and smell than dummies. And, dead birds are often less interesting than live ones. I second the advice re a stocking section or something similar over the bird to start. If you want to do this with no pressure, consider what else you might be able to do to make the dog ...
- Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:41 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: hunting poodle
- Replies: 87
- Views: 52886
Re: hunting poodle
In terms of breeding crosses simply for pets, the interesting thing is that with the cancer issue in goldens or boxers, health issues in many other breeds, from the animal welfare perspective healthy crosses certainly aren't worse. Without a thoughtful breeder, though, you don't get from a cute cros...
- Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:21 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Wide Running Dog
- Replies: 20
- Views: 8883
Re: Wide Running Dog
Hi Canadian, I live in Vegas myself and have a pointer, shoot me a pm if you want to get the dogs together at some time. I agree the 100 yards is not an issue, and also second looking to get your dog on some game birds if possible. Re beepers, I note that with the wind and arroyos here, depending o...
- Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:23 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Wide Running Dog
- Replies: 20
- Views: 8883
Re: Wide Running Dog
Hi Canadian, I live in Vegas myself and have a pointer, shoot me a pm if you want to get the dogs together at some time. I agree the 100 yards is not an issue, and also second looking to get your dog on some game birds if possible. Re beepers, I note that with the wind and arroyos here, depending on...
- Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:42 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: hunting poodle
- Replies: 87
- Views: 52886
Re: hunting poodle
what a deal.... who needs a job? https://www.teddybeargoldendoodles.com/training/how-it-works $650.00 to crate train for a week? Some people have more dollars than sense. The hourly rate on that is really good, to say the least. I'd think a breeding program focused on hunting doodles would end up s...
- Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:05 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Pointer in water
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5417
Re: Pointer in water
Great photos! I had fun introducing my pointer to the ocean this week. He's funny in that he still doesn't like pools, but lakes, rivers and the ocean seem to be fine. Rookie mistake in terms of his drinking the salt water, though, but I think he's figured that part out.
- Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:46 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Bracco Italiano in America ?
- Replies: 54
- Views: 27096
Re: Bracco Italiano in America ?
Of all the breeds I've studied, the Bracco Italiano may be the most misunderstood...at least by North Americans. In much of Europe the breed is fairly well known and well respected for its outstanding nose and unique working style. In Italy it has a very loyal following among hunters and field tria...
- Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:46 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: proofing training
- Replies: 6
- Views: 4604
Re: proofing training
Dottie, Evan G is a noted authority on the subject of the formalized retrieve, follow his advice and you won't be disappointed nor misguided. You cannot "proof" a retrieve that is only in it's initial stages and has not yet been formalized. Good luck. Cheers, Irishwhistler I think there are possibl...
- Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: proofing training
- Replies: 6
- Views: 4604
Re: proofing training
To be sure I understand, this is a bird dog but you simply want to proof a generalized, almost service-dog-like retrieve for other objects as well? I've found Donna Hill's youtube videos to be good in terms of "shaped" retrieves, including proofing, and she even has a video on the basics of training...
- Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:24 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Some time gunshyness
- Replies: 18
- Views: 6830
Re: Some time gunshyness
Hi Folks, Lots to think about. In response, this year isn't the first time the issue showed up. It's happened probably once a year, and twice this season. She is steady to wing. I don't think that she has ever been peppered. Thanks for your interest and help. Seems one simple solution is to have at...
- Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:32 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Some time gunshyness
- Replies: 18
- Views: 6830
Re: Some time gunshyness
I am going to shock everyone including myself, taking her to a sleet/trap/gun range might help some. I am opposed to it as an introduction, but for desensitization it might be worth a careful try. I would put her in the front seat and gradually drive closer, stop, ignore her reaction, but pet her o...
- Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:23 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4746
Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
http://www.thefieldtrialer.com/forum/vi ... =12&t=5463 this was interesting re cancer in some lines as well.
- Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:24 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4746
Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
Thanks! Just to collect the additional link in the same spot, here's an old thread from here focused on Honky Tonk Attitude, viewtopic.php?f=69&t=30809&hilit=maple+mountaindisplaced_texan wrote:Here are two I have saved.
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- Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:41 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4746
Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
I also got pointed to this summary, http://utahbirddogs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8245 .
- Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:21 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4746
Re: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
Thanks for all the info! In terms of getting more up to speed, yes, up to speed on both some of the characteristics and lineages of different lines, and how combinations of different lines are known to work out. I am a foot hunter, mainly chukar and Gambel's quail at least this year, and am sort of ...
- Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:38 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4746
Best sources for learning EP bloodlines?
I've been reviewing some old threads on here on pointer lines, including http://gundogforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=34930&hilit=phantom&start=100 and also this one on the fieldtrialer site, http://thefieldtrialer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2348s , and am clearly way over my head in terms ...
- Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:51 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: FT dogs not such good hunters
- Replies: 180
- Views: 93754
Re: FT dogs not such good hunters
... I think many folks do not speak well of FT dogs as "hunter's dogs" or dam them with faint praise because they feel out of control when such a dog is down and that can lead them to feeling embarrassed if others are around.... Guilty on that count... I also think that for a young dog, simple math...
- Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:56 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Best way to train without birds?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2898
Re: Best way to train without birds?
Using live pigeons is a good solution for you. There are a number of threads discussing different ways to get them, but for me, trapping, netting and buying for $2 a bird at feed stores all seem to work well. For me, I found the Mo Lindley Field Manual, http://www.oknavhda.com/docs/Steady_With_Style...
- Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:39 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: positive only training.
- Replies: 67
- Views: 25033
Re: positive only training.
Apologies if this isn't a logical extension of the existing thread. But, as these guys were mentioned early in the thread, I just note the $ rates for these workshops are in my view interesting, as is the dog-trainer-business coaching element. http://www.positivegundogtraining.com/training/workshops...
- Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:09 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: She won't retreive quail
- Replies: 23
- Views: 10186
Re: She won't retreive quail
Is what is happening here that FF done correctly causes the bird to signal the release of pressure, therefore by definition the dog starts to be conditioned that picking up the bird is a positive? Sorry to be so literal, I am just slow on the uptake sometimes. :D There is actual or implied force th...
- Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:07 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: She won't retreive quail
- Replies: 23
- Views: 10186
Re: She won't retreive quail
Sorry if I offend, but you most likely did not properly force fetch. I have had them pick up a tin can if nothing else was readily available. I have found force fetch works if done properly. Might there be two potential issues here, 1) a retrieve refusal, or 2) birdshyness, or at least retrieve-shy...
- Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:05 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: She won't retreive quail
- Replies: 23
- Views: 10186
Re: She won't retreive quail
Sorry if I offend, but you most likely did not properly force fetch. I have had them pick up a tin can if nothing else was readily available. I have found force fetch works if done properly. Might there be two potential issues here, 1) a retrieve refusal, or 2) birdshyness, or at least retrieve-shy...
- Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:56 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: She won't retreive quail
- Replies: 23
- Views: 10186
Re: She won't retreive quail
Is the aversion only to quail?
How is she on pigeons or on other gamebirds??
How is she on pigeons or on other gamebirds??
- Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:18 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Offseason conditioning
- Replies: 14
- Views: 7428
Re: Offseason conditioning
I live in Vegas, so again not quite as hot as Phoenix, but again would go with early morning (before sunrise) roading and swimming. I got a cani-cross and skijor/bikejoring setup from https://www.facebook.com/HowlingDogAK and have found it works well. I would recommend disk brakes if at all possible...
- Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:00 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training. Non-gun dog related.
- Replies: 26
- Views: 9592
Re: New to training. Non-gun dog related.
When introducing birds, a pigeon is a more docile training bird. Pheasants are loud and gaudy. And they can spur dogs... This can be intimidating to inexperienced dogs. ahh i see.. okay.. so heres the big question.. Ive gotten a lot of good advice that i really wish i could jump on at once.. I know...
- Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:20 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training bird dogs!!
- Replies: 57
- Views: 30444
Re: New to training bird dogs!!
Yuma, I can see how you might feel jumped on a bit. But, you also got lots of good advice in this thread too -- it would be worth taking a day to put personal feelings aside, that are natural when you may feel either a "position" of yours or your dog itself was criticized, and re-read what you've be...
- Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:27 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training. Non-gun dog related.
- Replies: 26
- Views: 9592
Re: New to training. Non-gun dog related.
I don't see that the dog is afraid of birds. Though the way he was exposed to gunfire so far could have caused a negative association. Mo Lindley's pdf trainimg outline on the http://www.steadywithstyle.Com website has a good summary of gun introduction. There are good threads on here on addressing ...
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:50 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Training reward treats
- Replies: 20
- Views: 8074
Re: Training reward treats
It sounds like, with the dog being with you all day at work, you will be giving the dog food rewards regularly in amounts that add up by day's end. So I'd agree with kibble for that, and simply measuring the kibble given and accounting for it as part of total food intake. For focused training, simpl...
Re: pointing
I have a Brittany pup that is 16 weeks old on Wed. She is my first bird dog so this is my first go at training. When she was younger I was doing the wing on a stick thing and she kind of pointed but it was for maybe a second then went to grab the wing. I read that this can be detrimental to her dev...
- Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:49 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training bird dogs!!
- Replies: 57
- Views: 30444
Re: New to training bird dogs!!
Seems the o.p. is in far southwest AZ and wants a lab primarily as an upland flusher, and his new pup is apparently from here, http://www.lavishlabs.com/ .
- Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:13 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training bird dogs!!
- Replies: 57
- Views: 30444
Re: New to training bird dogs!!
First as a disclaimer: I myself am a one-owned-hunting-dog wonder, so take it fwiw. I'd suggest the o.p. remember that "clicker training" doesn't have to be "positive only." The clicker is simply a marker for when the desired behavior is displayed. Some people cluck their tongue, some people say yes...
- Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:10 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Close, medium, big running dogs?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 15298
Re: Close, medium, big running dogs?
My dog spends a lot of time out at 150 to 250 out in the sagebrush. 1 1/2 year old shorthair. At 200 to 300 yds she is generally out of sight with the gullies, hills, sagebrush..... The arroyos around Vegas make for some odd variations of open ground as well. I had to go back and work more on condi...
- Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:52 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New Steady With Style Website
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1508
New Steady With Style Website
I have been enjoying the new Steady with Style website, just as I had enjoyed and really appreciated the substance of the old. Thanks for the great resource!
- Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:33 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: As a Breeder what do you look for when placing pups in their
- Replies: 27
- Views: 12053
Re: As a Breeder what do you look for when placing pups in their
... I don't disagree, just seems like a bad business model. Whenever I talk to people who do breed, it amazes me how much it's not a business model in terms of profit (if any) being a priority. Though, substantively I do also see an important quality control element insofar as the breeder puts a lo...
- Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:27 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The Nemesis of Hunting
- Replies: 24
- Views: 7639
Re: The Nemesis of Hunting
To me, it sounds like the biologist was getting at fair chase issues. I'm surprised he didn't mention drones. Hunting hasn't exactly been "fair" imo since man picked up the first rock or spear. For upland bird hunting, it may well be that in much of the country it's similar to golf, where most peopl...
- Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:10 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Advice with aggression
- Replies: 31
- Views: 13704
Re: Advice with aggression
... Hudson (my gsp) does it especially when we are just hanging out in the living room and he is roaming around or napping or chewing on a bone and my roommate and his dog walk in. Seems like my gsp is guarding and protecting his home and feels threatened... Sounds like a version of jealousy or fea...
- Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:06 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Let's talk gun's . Does it matter to you ?
- Replies: 62
- Views: 28981
Re: Let's talk gun's . Does it matter to you ?
I didn't take it like that but rather a SxS guy pok'n fun at a single barrel guy :D Were all on the same team just different choices of what works best for us. I'm a single barrel man :) Actually neither. Just a guy who has witnessed time and time again, a person switching from a side x side to a s...