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Ms. Cage

Sorry. Most of what I know about Cash and some other of Clyde's dogs came from running my dogs with his in hunt tests, in the days when he was running most of the test dogs himself and in conversations with him when I was considering breeding with Cash. I guess if that's hearsay that's what I'm goi...

Ms. Cage

Some times the cost of producing a dog may be worth the risk involved. Holding onto all pups until proper testing is done if you breed known carriers would not break your bank or budget. It is reasonable to breed those dogs as long as when you sell the pups you disclose and limit registration. Woul...

Ms. Cage

I agree, we should never breed dogs with gentic defects. I will be the first to say. if the dog is not a bird dog he will never make a good, if not a great trial dog. He must be biddable, good nose, style, intensity, have outstanding bird finding ability and the list goes on. It is what we all stri...

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Breeding superior dogs benifit us all, FTers, NAVHDA, Hunting Dogs etc. If your breeding superior dog with gentic defects or carriers are you really devolping a dog ????
IMO, NO !!! There's alot more to the development of a superior dog then performance.

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ultracarry wrote:It is done all the time, only have a chance of 25% being a carrier and there will not be any Orange and white pups, get pups tested and disclose that they may be a carrier..... No big deal.

Attitude like yours is why we have the small-e around today!!!

Ms. Cage

I've bit my tongue long enough. You are up in arms about this female out on bail having white/ lemon pups . yet you turn around and breed her for what!!! If the white and lemon is small -e and the pups DNA as the sire you say makes your female a small-e carrier. All you have done is set somone else ...

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Meller wrote:When were talking tainted lets remember that it can't go just one way, if shorthair has pointer in them , well pointer has shorthair in them; it can't go just one way!

Are you saying folks take half the litter and reg. as GSP and half reg. as Pointer.

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Vision wrote:Most GSP's in the US have pointer in them as far back as Tri State Trooper in the 60's and 70's.

Ditto !!!

Ms. Cage

I don't think any of the Euro folks would breed to a American GSP without the dog being of DK registry. The last time my husband was going to import a DK everything was set. The owner of the pup decided she wanted to fly to chi town with the pup on Howies dime round trip. The pup and air transport w...

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Ahumphers91a wrote:Not importing semen, and if I import a pup its to add new blood to my own lines.

In what repect do you think that a danish dog would be of benifit to the lines you have ? Just asking.

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Great looking pup. Go Black Betty!!!!

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Does anyone have experience with dogs from: High Fly’n Kennels in Elko, MN; Houdini Llewellin Setters in Lonsdale, MN; or Red Setters from Berg Brothers in Clearwater, MN? Either kennel would be a good. Another setter kennel you might want to look at is Jerry Kolter. I'm thinking his kennel name is...

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Speculation about potential cross breeding dogs is out of bounds and should not be made public, and yet speculation about a person health and mental health is perfectly okay for those same folks crying foul on the dog speculation. [/b] I'm surprised the blue dawn post is still up. I do know one per...

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IMO I would think both owners of the sire and dam would be more then willing to work together to find the truth...

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Congrats to all. Dolph keeps showing his stuff...

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OPEN WALKING GUN DOG 1st FC AFC Gunnem Down Adolph German Shorthaired Pointer R Schmeider (3 pts) 2nd Celtic's Signature Irish Setter P Ober 3rd FC Ember's Roaring Blaze Pointer R Davis/W Davis 4th Gunnen Down Hanna Bonanza German Shorthaired Pointer G Schmeider JAM CH Redoak's Awaiting Samuel's Ret...

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My husband used to FT Chessies back in the late 70's very early 80's. Howie likes the breed. They were great with his children and all kids. Good with people when Howie was around. You didn't dare entry his home with out Howie unless the dogs knew you . It's nice to leave your home unlocked and neve...

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Don't need to say it because she is not confirmed prego, I'm keeping two, and all the rest have been spoken for that I think she would have.... Any more and the price will be pretty high pedigree is so so...... I think dezasterous gun dogs is getting some and he ain't telling.No OFA, no promises. N...

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Very nice pictures. What type of quail were you hunting ?

Ms. Cage

Personally, I think retrieving should be eliminated and recorded as an add-on vs. required by breed. Same with water tests. I'm not a field trialer. IMO a retrieve should be required in the field under actual conditions vs call back. Folks say FT dogs are the best but most don't require a retrieve ...

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Welcome . What type of birds do you hunt ?

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Awesome job, Congrats!!! Very nice looking dog...

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We do ask that pups we breed carry our kennel name. Never had a problem with that. Some kennels will not sell a pup that doesn't carry there kennel name. Some will void any type of guarantee.

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Middlecreek wrote:Why are we still pointing the fingers at the stud? Plenty of possibilities what's going on here, but why is it the stud that always gets blamed?

I think most folks know it takes 2 to produce the good and bad. For us it's take responsability for your part and action you feel is right..

Ms. Cage

Valid question. What would you do if something like this came up with a dog you owned? It doesn't have to be a color issue. What if it was an other genetic defect. We've been there. Blitz was bred to a female and all the pups were diabetic. Some were still born, some died a few weeks after birth, a...

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I agree with Jerry. Our dogs live in the house together, sleep next to each other, ride in the truck together, . when there is a female in heat crated in the house the boys are not agressive with each other. We are thinking of adding pup. We don't know if we will get a male or female. a male pup wou...

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ezzy333 wrote:ohmymy111 wrote:Absolutely they should be. Conformation is how you define a breed. If we don't adhere to it all we have are mutts in the end. That is not to say a mutt can't be a great bird dog and a wonderful companion, but the traits are not reproducable consistantly, which is what ...

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I'm okay with Tell's head, although not crazy about it. I thought he had a rather bitchy head, but the only photo extant is of poor quality in pose. My husband spent some tome with Dean and Tell back in the 80's and thought Tell was a looker with a nice head. Chip, Tell was a stand offish when you ...

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Cajun Casey wrote:There is no reason you cannot breed them to dogs who do not carry the undesirable allele. That's why the test is used.

Then what happens !!! Someone down the road unknownly has to deal with the same mess.

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Cajun Casey wrote:No, lemon is recessive and each parent need carry only one copy to pass it on and produce and expressor with a carrying mate.

Sorry casey should Have said the small e. My mistake!!

Ms. Cage

Could someone with the resources tell me how this could of happened. Both would have to have the ee. Even if there was a straw screw up you female would still have to be carrier to produce this color as I understand it. Yes there was a mutitude of color in the beginning . You will never see a lemon...

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No matter the out come ,ee or mutation GSPs of this color should never reproduce. IMO niether should the sire or dam should reproduce.. To say breed the female to a none carrier you still can have a percentage of the pups that could be a carrier. Imo when breeding I have a responsibility to the bree...

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Hanshaw wrote:The pups are out of cally which is out of shake the bank and sired by tonellies rising sun artificiled to din city slick ace. Way would I withhold psppers and get rid of them,they dna

The gentleman has stated the pups DNA

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gotpointers wrote:ACooper wrote:This always gets funny, yes it could be a mutation, but it's more likely that there is pointer in the woodpile. is anyone really surprised by that?+1

+2

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I would look at is as a great sign maybe they're carrying a lot of pointer blood in them. What happened to worrying about the main thing of breeding good to good or best to best? I say you keep them, register them, and let any possible buyer know in advance of what you all are talking about. I am a...

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I have checked with akc and they are registerable and breddible I can also campaign them I just can't show them in the show ring ..correct me if I'm wrong.thanks again . Still my question remains You are right, all of the above is true. You asked for opinions and yuo're getting them. I get the feel...

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Hanshaw wrote: Way would I withhold psppers and get rid of them,they dna

I'm opinionated on this subject. DNA only shows sire and dam a correct. There is more than likely EP in the ancestry. Maybe a Ep used as stud instead of a GSP.

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Cajun Casey wrote:AKC pointing breed events have to be put on by breed clubs

I don't think that is true. In Minnesota we have the Lake Superior pointing dog club, Rice lake pointing dog club. Niether a breed club.

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Additude!!!!

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ultracarry wrote:Hunt tests, field trials, NAVHDA, and NASTRA all require some sort of training before weapons are used to kill birds. There is dog work to be watched and a quality to be appreciated, a sense of fellowship among competators and an understanding that you have manners

+1

Ms. Cage

I have a question concerning the real color of a German shorthair if I this white than the whole body is white and if a white pup has markings then well you would not see the markings. Should I register my German shorthair pups white when the are infact orange and lemon. If someone could shine some...

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romeo212000 wrote:Nobody is making that argument about nstra and if you do, we'll you're pretty dang ignorant on the matter.

There you go!!! 3 fingers pointing back at you again!!!!

Ms. Cage

Calling a spade a spade doesn't make me close minded. It means I'm willing to call things what they are rather than worrying about stroking everybody's egos. That's like me saying i don't like your game ( NSTRA ) because the dog breaks on shot or the dog is collared once the back is established vs....

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But a title that I know tests the quality of the dog at least gives me something to go on. Depends on the qualities your looking for. Some like big run, some don't. Some want strong water work , some don't, etc. I think that's why we have all the games. Folks like what they like. Maybe it's best to...

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What about the dogs that have been bred based on hunting ability alone? Is hunting a venue for proving quality dogs? romeo212000 wrote: I would have to see those dogs in action to make that determination. I was speaking for myself personally. I would hope that anyone would want to see dogs that are...

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I don't think there is any motels between Ely and T.H. on HWY 1, lots of resorts. Try something around Issabella (sp) kinda in between.

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If you know cash you shouldn't have to ask. It's not a bad thing if you like tough dogs. Pretty much in every respect as far as training and prey drive goes Cj We don't make assessments on a breeding program based on one individual. Our experiance is , and we see alot of dogs ( own and train with )...

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What temps do you have during duck season?

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cjhills wrote:Big time NAVHDA breeder.A lot of prey drive. Tough dogs CJ

In what repect do you find Sharp Shooter dogs tough?

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Dogs make great hunting dogs. Very knowledgeable folks. Their test record in NAVDHA is outstanding..

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