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UpNorthHuntin

99% of the time hunting in MIchigan you never even see the dog. In a true hunting situation I could care less where his head or tail is. I just want to walk over the next hill in the direction the Garmin tells me and see him rock solid pointing a bird. This to me is the primary difference between a...

UpNorthHuntin

99% of the time you are out hunting with your dog you are watching the dog cover ground. In the 1% of the time that the dog is standing birds you spend 99% of that time looking at the dog. Of course, in a typical 10 hour hunt I will spend about 10 seconds swinging, aiming and firing my gun and 5 mi...

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There is only one standard, not one for show and another for hunting. Ezzy Yes, but are you telling me that a Springer for example that is field bred looks like a Sringer that is bred for the ring? Or an even better example is a Cocker bred for the ring versus a "field cocker". Standards on many br...

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Alright, my dog is pretty steady on whoa, i can walk around her throw things towards her, over her head, at her feet and she wont budge. I just have one question, when i yell whoa and give her the hand signal she will turn and look at me then her feet are planted as soon as she can see me, if i am ...

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It also carries more weight if a big name, like George Tracy or something says his hunting dog is great and should be bread then some guy who has a brittney . Since I do not know George Tracy personnaly I will take your word for it. I never once have stated that my dog is a great anything..... I ag...

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Hasn't the Britt Breed in fact produced more Dual CH than any other breed? YES!! I believe they have. I find very little difference in the looks of these three either (Brit, weim, and Irish red). In regards to brits having the most DC's I'm not arguing otherwise, but clarify your statement about th...

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The primary element of success at hunting is finding the game. So you get a dog that has shown it has an excellent aptitude for finding game. The primary element of game preservation after the shot is finding the game. You already have a dog that has shown it has an excellent aptitude for finding g...

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You got that right, there are hardly any upland bird hunters left around here any more! We belong to a hunting club that stocks pheasant during the season. If it wasn't for that we wouldn't see a pheasant at all! My first bird season in the club, i was like a little kid at Christmas! I almost forgo...

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Ezzy The "hunt" is about finding the game, the retrieve is about recovering the game. Any poodle can retrieve. While I agree that a complete hunting dog will retrieve, it is only a small part of the total picture and is not the definition of "superior hunting skills." It's senseless to argue the fi...

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Ezzy, I probably know more about dog shows than you might think...started participating over 50 years ago and decided 20 years ago there was absolutely nothing of value that can come from it...accept the hospitality hour and overpriced 8x10" glossy photos. I realize to hard-core hunters and field t...

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You might find that the Brit, weim, and Irish red and white usually look to be able to perform in the field too. Just because they have hair, different heads and angle doesn't necessicarily mean they aren't capable of doing that job. I can say it seemed to me that we had fewer dogs compete this yea...

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I second or third the vet issue. This really sounds like a health issue. Sounds like he's in pain. Could he be going deaf? I had a Cocker that as she aged she began to lose her hearing and she actied a lot like what you are describing. It took us a while to figure out what was going on with her. It...

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Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'm headed up to Vermilion this weekend so the potential for a hog is good, but mostly 16 - 19" fish I bet. Good luck. We have had such a strange winter here in Michigan you can't find any good ice. It will be 0 degrees for a couple days and then hit 50 with rain. Still...

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What do you think about this set up? http://www."bleep".com/product/index.jsp?productId=17588176&lmdn=Power&cp=4406646.4413993.4414792.4414800 Would you go with a 24" or 28" rod? Pretty nice. That would definately work through the ice. I would go with the longer pole depending on the lake though. W...

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I fish for Walleyes a lot. All I will use is Light/Med rods for "eyes". Usually no more than 6-8 lb test line as well. They are pretty finniky buggers and I find that the lighter the tackle, the more I catch. You just need to have a good reel with a good drag system on it and don't horse them and br...

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Doc E wrote:We eat our birds in a large variety of ways. Fresh, Pan Fried, Canned, Roasted, etc.
Here is a pic of some Grouse Egg Rolls that my Korean wife made.

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Now those really look good:) YUM!!!

UpNorthHuntin

start now! every time you feed your pup hold him in one spot, no need to say a word just hold him for a few sec. do this everytime and soon work in the word whoa as he gets a little older. I do this with all my dogs and they learn whoa fast! and no pressure is needed. I started right away at food t...

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UpNorthHuntin, Have you usethe Alpha GPS for close in work? How far and if so what was your experience? Thornapple Mine has seemed to work as close as 30 yards. Might even work in a little tighter. If you are going to be working "close-in" all the time though, I don't know if I would spend $800 dol...

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Upnorth the difference is in physical ability not training. I can train my walking horse on the track as much as I want. He would still get smoked by a thoroughbred on the Kentucky derby. You cannot train physical ability upnorth and no one will ever convince me that you can. Its like trying to tra...

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I agree with most, but I believe that we sometimes limit the dogs potential by accepting the "norm". I'll use me as an example. When I was younger I was state champion runner in the 1/2 mile/1 mile/and 2 mile in track and a pretty good cross-country runner. I could run at blistering speeds for hour...

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I believe the biggest difference is about the trainer and the handler in the highest drive dogs, rather than the weakness of the dog. What say you? I agree with most, but I believe that we sometimes limit the dogs potential by accepting the "norm". I'll use me as an example. When I was younger I wa...

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I've never been a whiz when it comes to conservation or bird husbandry or anything, but just a little common sense tells me it's almost entirely (1) loss of food and (2) cover. About twenty years ago the reports are that people could walk up covey after covey on their way to school, even without a ...

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Sorry to insert this red herring but what is the likely cause of the dearth of game birds in places where there used to be plenty ? I usually hunt anything from about 2 hours to 6 hours per day. Bill T. Normally I would say hunters, but not the case in my old stomping grounds. There are no bird hun...

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Get your dog around some horses so he used to them, otherwise there is a chance he'll spend his brace time checking them out. Also get your pup used to running with a second dog---you need to get him where he doesn't play or follow his bracemate. And like everyone says--have fun :D Will he need all...

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I've had the ALPHA since early December. I love the thing. No complaints. Dog wears it all day every day (except when sleeping or kenneled) and the batteries last a good two days. Very easy to use, and so far seems extremely accurate. I like the "On Point" indicator and dog status indicator in gener...

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Get your dog around some horses so he used to them, otherwise there is a chance he'll spend his brace time checking them out. Also get your pup used to running with a second dog---you need to get him where he doesn't play or follow his bracemate. And like everyone says--have fun :D Will he need all...

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How much training are you doing? At four months things should be fun. Training can and does take place but it should be more about fun and less about perfect style and such. When you say he won't come to you, there is a reason. You should be his source of fun and games. Don Couldn't agree more with...

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Bear hunting with a bow with a hundgun for back-up, If I were you I would buy a 357 or 44 Mag revolver Ruger or Smith & Wesson they both are excellent guns. I agree. .357 or 44 mag. .357 has enough knock-down power. I carry a S & W 686 and it's a beast on big game. 9mm is a little fast without quit...

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Bear hunting with a bow with a hundgun for back-up, If I were you I would buy a 357 or 44 Mag revolver Ruger or Smith & Wesson they both are excellent guns. I agree. .357 or 44 mag. .357 has enough knock-down power. I carry a S & W 686 and it's a beast on big game. 9mm is a little fast without quit...

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if I had to hunt all day for a limit I would be looking for new dogs and partners. :lol: In Michigan anymore you are lucky if you see eight birds in a day. It sure isn't what it used to be. I remember when I was younger and could walk the creek accross the street and have a ouple Grouse and a coupl...

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The Saginaw, MI one is in May (15-19), so maybe I could make that one?? I belong to the MBC (eastern MI) and haven't gotten the info from them yet for their spring Hunt Test and Trial that is held in Heartland yet? Should get something pretty soon though.

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keith wrote:Which trial are you going to in March?

Western Michigan is supposed to be March 30-31. The Easstern is supposed to be April 6-7. Not sure now though. Went on the MBC site and it says the Ionia is April 5-7, but doesn't have the one in Heartland, MI for March listed?

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Okay, so I am going to be running my REMI in "our" first ever field trial in a month in the puppy and derby stakes. What should I expect, and for the puppy trial, what is expected from both of us? I have been reading a great deal on the puppy and derby trials, but won't have time to watch any prior ...

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It's an interesting fact to me and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned that these great hunting dogs are often from the great all age dogs. It seems to be a secret the hunting dog guys don't want anybody to know. Truth be known the great all age dogs produce way more great hunting dogs then they...

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I just payed $40 for 5 pigeons. What ever it is worth it and am looking for more at a better price. Anyway there are now 5 living in a box in my garage so thats fun. I showed one to my brit and he loved it. tomorrow I think ill release 2 and see what he thinks. Next thought a bird launcher. Can I g...

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I dont know who Bob West is but im wondering if anyone here knows where i can buy the Bill West training video? At one time you could buy it on Uplandbirddogs.com. I've got A couple. The Pointing Dogs Puppy Training and asn Intermediate. One of them featuring Bob West is from I think the 70's. He i...

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If I placed a recall box with a couple pigeons in it nearby, would they enter the box? You may be able to trap them. There are a number of pigeon traps that can be purchased, and they can be made fairly easily also. I would recommend putting a trap out and tying the doors/bobs open and scatter a lo...

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I think what every one is forgetting is the huge majority of hunters have one dog while a few may have two. That is what governs what type of dog they want and need. Seems we often forget that we need to produce what our customers want and not what we want. Successful businesses of all kinds have t...

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I think what every one is forgetting is the huge majority of hunters have one dog while a few may have two. That is what governs what type of dog they want and need. Seems we often forget that we need to produce what our customers want and not what we want. Successful businesses of all kinds have t...

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I also think that how much time that has elapsed in the field is important in dry conditions. As the dog's nose dries and dust builds up, they just can't smell as well. I like to hunt early season prairie chicken with my pointers. I always carry water not only keep them hydrated but also to keep th...

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How far is far and how do you measure the distance? I have no idea, but we run rivers allot and I swear, I believe when the breeze is slite, cool, steady and blowing down stream, my lab and DD can smell a pair of mallards at a very far distance, like a 1/4 mile or more. Moose or bears, even farther...

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I catch feral pigeons as well. I have both traps and a secret weapon. I have permission to catch pigeons in a local car wash. The birds roost in the bays at night. I slip in and close the doors and trap them in the bay. To catch them, I have a fishing dip net on a extendible paint pole. You can act...

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I've been hunting with dogs for quite a few years now and one thing that has always got me thinking is how far the dog can smell? I haven't a ton of experience with training bird dogs, but I have over 20 years with training narcotics and explosive detector dogs, and tracking/trailing dogs. My opini...

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I was just curious what different people on here expected from their dogs in terms of speed and stamina and if those expectations differed between the field trial and hunting crowds. I agree... very good post. I think I got it... I will be hunting mostly productive unting spots "my honey holes" in ...

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I would never hunt my ft dog for 4-5 hours. But if you had a "hunting" dog that could go all day, would it be possible to run that dog in field trials? I have wondered the same. I only have one as well. My intent is to have a very productive and enjoyable hunting partner that I can hunt steady for ...

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Pros Can screw up handling other peoples dogs more than the owner would if the owner took the time to learn how to handle the dog themselves. Amatuer status means that a person hasn't taken compensation to train or handle dogs within the past 2 years. I personally have never been compensated which ...

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I'm not whining, I haven't even been in a trial, although I will this spring. But if I hire a professional trainer to train my dog, and he is actually a trialer as well, does that disqualify him from running my dog in trials because he received payment for the training...Even if I'm not paying him ...

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RayGubernat wrote:Guys -

Field trials are a competition where the best three or four dogs win. Period...end of story.

Anything less is not worth doing, because it ain't about the dogs.

RayG

How the heck can it "not be about the dogs??? Is the handler the one wearing the title??? I don't get that one???

UpNorthHuntin

Guys - The folks that whine and complain about "too much " competition, and who work to "dumb down" the competition by limiting which dogs may compete in certain stakes...need to be running in hunt tests. RayG I'm not whining, I haven't even been in a trial, although I will this spring. But if I hi...

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Upnorth there is ample room to argue a number of AKC rules regulations or restrictions. Lord knows ee have just been through an emotional deal in the brit ranks about just that. However in the end you have a written rule that we can ill afford to make any tighter we will not have enough handlers to...

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