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Why did the MOD remove photos of HUNTING and Trial dogs killed in Conibears used for the purpose of discussion here by me?

It this place is run by Marxist Bolsheviks, Im disabling my account.

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Ever hear this one?? "Figures don't lie...but liars sure do know how to figure." There is a lot of truth to that. If you are lucky, sooner or later you will realize that it ain't about the numbers, it ain't about a full game bag, it ain't even about killing birds and it sure ain't about you or me. ...

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tn red wrote:Ames birds are 1000x wilder

You mean the Ames birds that are radio collared, and that hang out near the edges of trails most of their lives according to the biologists?

For sure, dude.

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You guys are unreal. Anything to swipe at someone who doesnt buy into your BS. :lol: :lol: :lol: That is the funniest post that I have ever read on this board given your lack of understanding and tolerance for an opposing viewpoint I think we see who has the lack of tolerance here. Anyone that goes...

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Those birds look less than wild to me, they were shooting hens. http://pvhunting.com/ From the Utah Upland Regs. Ring-necked pheasant (Extended season) • Season dates: Nov. 3–Dec. 2, 2012 • Areas open: CAUTION: Not all counties are open for the extended season. Only the following areas are open: Al...

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Chukar12 wrote:Private or not you cannot shoot hens deemed wild .... Jack

You can on your own property if they are YOUR Birds...

Lodges and preserves allow the taking of Hens. So does the state.

You guys are unreal. Anything to swipe at someone who doesnt buy into your BS.

Back to talking trial dogs now.

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Those birds look less than wild to me, they were shooting hens. http://pvhunting.com/ From the Utah Upland Regs. Ring-necked pheasant (Extended season) • Season dates: Nov. 3–Dec. 2, 2012 • Areas open: CAUTION: Not all counties are open for the extended season. Only the following areas are open: Al...

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I really dont think video Hunting wild birds will excite you, especially of close-medium ranging hunting dogs, They rarely get out more than 150 yards. But they work for me. Pardon me for asking...is this video of you hunting "wild birds" on location at this Orvis endorsed ranch in Utah? 16,000 acr...

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Orvis birds are not planted, they are liberated, theyve had several weeks to acclimate to the wild... There is also a managed wild population. The Dakotas are no different. Pheasant are DNR managed and released every year and they are not les wild after 2 weeks. Sorry the thread got off target. Back...

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This is a continuation from the AA Dogs thread which was moving in the wrong direction.. Some experienced wild bird hunters have, after thoughtful consideration, concluded that about 200 yards is the practical limit of a foot handled gun dog's range in prairie habitat. They note that the amount of t...

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I really dont think video Hunting wild birds will excite you, especially of close-medium ranging hunting dogs, They rarely get out more than 150 yards. But they work for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWe4FZdAgo&feature=player_embedded This thread on AA Dogs got hijacked unintentionally, my apo...

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This is from an Elhew Pointer Kennel
http://www.superiorpointers.com/range.html

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This is direct from Ames, Ames of course, is the pinnacle of hunting dogdom, on managed grounds- that means predators are managed, food is managed, herbicides are managed, cover is managed. Quail Rick Carlisle Director, Ames Plantation. “ Typically derby dogs don’t find; they’re just running. This y...

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Joe and Dan - C'mon guys. Don't spoil everyone's fun. It is a cold an rainy night here. Rockstar is providing a high level of comic relief. I'm lovin' it more than a three stooges marathon. He cracks me up. C'mon Rockstar...tell us more. PUHLEEEZE!!! Don't let those big bad guys on this forum scare...

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I dont think I could do any worse with my meat dog, Slistoe. From Ames http://www.amesplantation.org/field-trial/2006national/default.asp 'Statistics recorded by Ames Plantation staff riding during the 3 trials were interesting. During the Amateur Quail Championship in December, both the dogs and ga...

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Ames Plantation impresses with bird dog field trials Dogs show strong quail population By Bryan Brasher Sunday, February 26, 2012 GRAND JUNCTION, Tenn. -- Years from now, field-trialing enthusiasts will remember Connor's EZ Button as the winner of the 2012 National Championships for Field Trialing ...

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From AMES, this is in the Summer, long before trial time, and speaks for just part of their managed quail operation. National Field Trial Champion Association September 7, 2005 This year begins the 4th year of our quail release program and it was decided by Plantation staff to try an earlier season ...

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I'm far from being on one side or the other here, but one thing I do think that needs to be accounted for in that 5,000 released birds is that they were quail and quail covey up. If they release that many birds and we estimate they covey into groups of 10 (would probably be more, though) that would...

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Sounds alot like somebody else that had posting privileges. This thread went from what an AA pointer was to chatting up Ames. Sorry It got sidetracked. The issue of range came up...in hunting Some wild birds at Some times of the season, this may or may not be advantageous, in the opinion of many. I...

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So, from what you have posted, it sounds as though you have not been to a trial or hunted behind a good dog. You really should try both before you go get diarrhea of the mouth on a gundog forum. Joe If I judge a limit of birds, and decent dogwork-finds & pins runners, relocates well when needed, re...

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Trappers should post Trapping Signs near entrance/exit, high volume areas to alert hunters. You really think this is a good idea :?: If I ever come across a conibear it will be tripped. Id rather deal with a fine than a lost dog or hearing of somone else loosing it. Were I to find one on a land set...

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Im only an expert at that which Ive done... Ive also accumulated some knowledge from watching video too, and deciphering data-like all the false unproductives points at Ames, and the small percentage of actual game found, for the 5000 or so released birds prior to the event. Sounds like you are rea...

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This is Last Years AMES Trial on video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9FukGHrhm0 I love the part of Singing to the dogs, while they are running on the edge of cover, rarely entering cover-The blanks add the effect too. Spotters, garmins, And the released poultry.... If thats not like hunting, I do...

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...the term "ignorance is bliss" was made popular before internet forums, I think that "ignorance is annoying" is more apropos now Chukar12, Could you help me with the Ames results-especially in the finding department? It seems we have thousands of birds released in addition to the resident popuati...

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Rockstar- Have you ever hunted via horseback? You can close the gap quick. Pheasants here in Ks will hold, even those late season roosters if you have a good enough dog to hold them. I have only hunted wild pheasants in KS for a few decades with pointing dogs. A good experience dog will do just fin...

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Rockstar- Have you ever hunted via horseback? . Never. My dog does seem to not like horses.. And I think its pretty unsafe in general ie guns, horses, dogs, birds and trying to limit.. not a good mix. I prefer walking. You can close the gap quick. Im sure late season phez and sharpies just cant wai...

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May I ask if there is anything you are not an expert at including knowing how much experience and knowledge the rest of have? You have posted you have greater experience at hunting and trapping. You have to been real active 24/7 to pass up so many of us that have been here a lot more years than you...

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I have not been to an AA trail. But this fall in Montana, I hunted with a Setter that has run in some. It was impressive to say the least. The dog found 6 covey of huns and some sharptail. The dog was flawless on the birds. The last covey was pointed at 1200 yards. Took us a long while to get to hi...

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I have not been to an AA trail. But this fall in Montana, I hunted with a Setter that has run in some. It was impressive to say the least. The dog found 6 covey of huns and some sharptail. The dog was flawless on the birds. The last covey was pointed at 1200 yards. Took us a long while to get to hi...

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Im curious to know if GSPs pace themselves better/ moreso than Pointers, after an hour or so????? Is this the issue? Because its not finding birds, thats for sure. GSPs are very popular with sled dog racers for their endurance, speed and feet to breed into their lines. I once drove a dog team once i...

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Meller you have to be kidding. Are you going to ask or even worse, sue the landowner if your dog jumps off a steep imbankment, runs into the barwire fence/ gets trampled by their bull? A dog getting caught in a trap is part of the risk of hunting. I wouldnt pay you a dime if your dog got caught in ...

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I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. What's the problem with a private school hiring security. Malls do it. Airports do it. Many companies doi it. Look at nuclear facilities! I must be missing something here. The point is tht gun control is not about guns, its about CONTROL. And What your...

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Ok, wow.. The guy I have been talking to has titles on his bitch, and the sire has been tested at the Kleeman. I am certain I wouldn't have an issue if I did have to have the DNA test done. I know what I want from the line's i'm looking at, just asking about shipping. The dam is about 10% german li...

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Meller you have to be kidding. Are you going to ask or even worse, sue the landowner if your dog jumps off a steep imbankment, runs into the barwire fence/ gets trampled by their bull? A dog getting caught in a trap is part of the risk of hunting. I wouldnt pay you a dime if your dog got caught in ...

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Responsibility is a two way street. Who pays for your dog when its guts are spilled on the snow by barb wire? Who pays for your dog when it is impaled on a broken stick? Who pays for your dog when a wolf/coyote/porcupine/coon causes it grievous harm? Traps are no more an unusual or unexpected risk ...

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Yes, I trapped as a Teenage Kid-I had 2 dozen legholds and 110 conibears. I know more about it than you will ever know, as I actually did it. At the time, Coons brought in $30 Prime, rats about $7-8. Good money 25 years ago for a kid. I waited until hunt season was close to over and set my traps ne...

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Is there documentation/verification for this school being guarded and is not just another internet hoax? This is the Job Posted Want ad. Will this suffice? http://cdn.ammoland.com/files/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sidwell-Friends-School.jpg This particular school is a Private school, there are diplo...

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If the Presidents Children are not protected at school by armed guards, Obama is a fool, and I don't think he is to that extent. There are way to many crazy people running around. Obama's children have personal Body guards aka Secret service agents assigned to them. The 11 armed guards assigned the...

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This topic is the biggest waste of space... I'm so mad that Obama has the secret service protecting him and I don't. Get a grip. Did you bother to READ The Post? Apprently not. Now, In ADDITION To providing Secret Service for Obama's children, The School in DC is Additionally armed with 11 and soon...

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Im Not sure Why some Sporting breed enthusiasts want to Out Pointer a Pointer.

Were a GSP to make it to Ames, it shows just how far removed the breed is from what it once was...some say that is a good thing, others think no so good.

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* Slistoe, To make a point, Id be willing to bet you, that I could make a bait set for your dogs walked towards in a small hunting area, that would catch him (Small #1 padded foothold so hes not harmed badly), after you release him unsupervised to hunt on an empy stomach, and with no commands or di...

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Rockstar, you are kidding yourself. Everything smells like something. You cannot make a trap scent free. All you hope to do is make it smell like something that does not have an associated fear response in the animal you wish to trap. But don't try to convince a bunch of old trappers that - they do...

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It is MUCH easier to amend the Trapping season so it does Not coincide with Hunting season. So, how do you amend the seasons? Do you close up upland bird hunting two weeks earlier, or do the trappers take the blunt of the hit? Just wondering, it was -10F degrees here when I walked my dog this morni...

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Rockstar, i know two trappers that trap with their dogs with them, they know not to get in the traps. Werner Herzog has a great documentary called Happy People, they follow Russian trappers who go out for 6 month stretches and trap. They all have a husky with them, their dogs are trained not to get...

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Rockstar, you are kidding yourself. . Actually, Im not. IMO, serious trappers know more than you will ever know about scent. What little I know, comes from them and my own experience trapping years ago for money. Human Scent can be masked, washed, Boiled to remove scent, Then dyed, Waxed, aged and ...

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Seems to me that both of you are forgetting to post "in my opinion" and instead are telling each other what the facts are, which neither of you believe. Why not just drop it since you are not convincing anyone and you have alreay stated your opinion. Ezzy Im generally stating facts, Ezzy. I speak f...

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What your failing to understand is that the dog sees the trap alsso and tHats what hurts him Only In a few cases, like a bad trapper sets a poor set. 1. The dog may see the conibear set, but its made to looks like sticks...made TO look-natural. 2. In a foot hold set, dog sees nothing, trap is burie...

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School Obama’s Daughters Attend Had 11 Armed Guards Published on Monday, December 24, 2012 AmmoLand Gun News Washington DC - -(Ammoland.com)-Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school wher...

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Teaching a dog to avoid a smell that's also associated with sight will not hurt it's hunting ability. If it did then all of the dogs who've been through snake breaking wouldn't hunt. The smell youre talking about IS Food. You think you can teach your dog not to eat unsupervised while hes out huntin...

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