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It's a great product but you're beating your head against the wall if you don't use a heeling stick.

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First, I think it's a *great* thing to set up training so that it avoids ever having a problem rather than getting it and having to solve it. Solving problems is a tangent that I'd rather avoid as I have *very* limited time and need to spend it moving the bar forward. Here's the thing Greg: If you ...

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Stump wrote:Holy crapper guys That CZ has went from 699.00 to 849.00 to Just yesterday 998.99 in less than 3 months. I guess I'll get the sparta sXs Bi mart has them for 365.00 today.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder what's goin' on there?

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I just got a CZ Bobwhite about a month ago at Sportsman's for $589.00. It is a fine handling shotgun but it's sure butt ugly. At first the triggers were scraping on metal and I could barely pull the left one. I put grease in it, shot a few boxes of shells through it, and now I love it. The 28" bobwh...

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Lots of exposure to birds and being taught where to look for the birds. Formal training starts at 6-8 months. It's all fun and games until then with a little obedience thrown in. Teach him NO.

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Some people get around it by introducing sit only after the dog is doing well in whatever level of steadiness they need out of the dog. Sitting or laying down on point isn't a problem until it's a problem, then it's a problem. Best, Sitting or laying down on point is never a problem if you understa...

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You want to always remember that a puppy is a "sponge" and everything you ever do, good, bad, indefferent, that bugger is learning. It's your job at this age to be sure he is exposed to positive stimulus and not negative. Lot of playing, lots of long walks in the field, lots of birds, lots of love a...

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That's just not fair.

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welcome to the board, lots of folks on here that really know what they are talking about. best thing you can do it train yourself first. read as much as you can on here, buy books and videos to watch. Delmar Smith has a book that is really good....also Perfection Kennels has a video series that is ...

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It's not something new; they've been doing it for at least 30 years I know of.

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Gonehuntin, I think they are talking blank pistols and are not recommending a 22. You can't use that at a trial. Ezzy I guess what you fellas are saying is that you have to fire a blank pistol over your dog in a trial and have your own pistol. I don't trial so didn't know that. I find it strange th...

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I was under the impression Teewinot was looking for a training pistol; why in the world would you want him to buy a 32? He's going to break the dog to the gun, then use it interspersed with the shotgun around the traps. Those 32's will take your ear drums out and are louder than any shotgun in the f...

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I shoot both and have absolutely no preference. If using an ejector gun, I always block the shells anyhow so I don't clutter the field. If using extractors, I pull them out. Of all the things you can worry about in a gun, this is probably the least important. Weight, balance, barrel length, gauge, s...

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Beware what Ywal is saying about the heat. DD's are NOT hot weather dogs. Mine absoultely melt in the heat. However, once is cools down.....

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For sheer diversity in birds it has to be Montana. Not cheap though.

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I think the German's have if figured out and have had for a long time. Their dogs are checked for coat, bite, ability, disposition, and gun sensitivity before they are allowed to be bred and registered. In the U.S. our breeders tend to more breed for ability than conformation. I disagree with this s...

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Rather than invest in a blank pistol, I just use my regular 22 pistol and shoot light retriever trainer loads out of it. If I want more noise, I use the heavy loads. Unless you're a trainer, you won't be using one all that much and a regular 22 pistol, if you have one, is all you need. If you don't ...

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A shaggy DD coat is not consistant with the breed standard. Sure you weren't looking at Griff's? To answer your question, a shaggy coat gives no more protection than a dense coat. DD's should have a short, dense and stiff, wiry feeling coat. The coats or ears collect no briars at all, but look out f...

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JM, it's not controversial in the Retriever world, only the pointing dog world. Virtually every retriever running in AKC trials today has been force broken and virtually every retriever sent to a professional is force broken and has been since the days of Charlie Morgan, which is at least a 60 year ...

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Answer this then Ezzy. If a dog was a decent dog, how could force possible ruin it unless it was an incompetent trainer? The old force programs were very much different than today's force programs. Today, the pressure applied in a force program is nowhere near what it used to be. That's just my opin...

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Gone huntin, Go to an obedience match and then tell me you can't make any dog into a good retriever. That is exactly what they do and that is where FF came from. You teach dogs that have no natural instinct to fetch to do just that. I too think its a great tool if the dog can't or won't do it natur...

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Jmburton, I agree this may be a little young for some dogs. They are 8 months old and labs, do they not retrieve on there own? Are you doing some hunt test training with them? Why the need to FF so early? Develop there natural retrieve and use FF to polish up. Chip Labs are not pointers. By 12 mont...

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I can see over time that FF will take place of the natural ability and we will be breeding dogs that have no drive to retrieve. It is a personal preference, but I believe the inherent abilities of shorthairs should always be there Point, Back, Retrieve, that is not to say that some dogs will need m...

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Eight months is a prime time to start them. Anywhere between 6 & 8 months. You've got the cart before the horse. First, they should be bird crazy and swimming. Then, obedience. The fact that your dog runs back to the pen tells me two things: 1) He isn't on a leash and he has to be. 2) He is not prop...

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I would never own a dog that I didn't FF. It is so much more than about the retrieve. It sets the stage for how a dog learns throughout his life and what his relationship will be. Force Fetch is probably the most misunderstood aspect of training by pointing dog trainers today. It has absolutely NOTH...

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Obviously I am on your neighbors side. It is your responsibility to shut that dog up. A bark collar is the easiest way to do it and will in no way have an adverse affect on his electric collar training. Incidentally, a dog's kennel is never considered a safe zone for a dog. That is actually part of ...

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There is no single book and no single program at this time that takes you from start to finish, in my opinion. All are lacking. If I went with one, and didn't want to use a collar, it would sure be Delmar Smith. That is a great book, but you really have to read between the lines. If I wanted a colla...

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snips wrote:I just give em a little nip back. Just like Mom. Seems to work....

You are correct Brenda, whenever you bite a dog back when it bites you it is an immediate and lasting correction.

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7 1/2-8's for grouse and woodcock, copper plated 5' for Pheasant.

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Danner forever.

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Actually, I just stopped my son-in-law's boston terrier from this very thing. He was truely, a champion caliber leg humper. If there was no leg to hump, he'd hump furniture. If there was no furniture, he stand there and hump the air. An incredible disgusting and vulgar animal. Fortunately for me, bu...

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Gonehuntin', what would your next step be once you take him to the field? So far he is steady (at heel), in the yard on birds that come from you. How would you go about getting him steady on birds that flush out in the field? Brad Higgins www.higginsgundogs.com At this point, all of my dogs are col...

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Ok ladies and gentleman, He is not whoa broke. There's one problem. This entire year, you could have been teaching him whoa without the pressence of birds. Now take him to the yard, obedience train him, and whoa break him. With a remote launcher, I understand the drill to be thus: Check cord dog in...

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If I couldn't immediately and quickly cure this, that by you and your wife being totally dominant over that dog, I'd immediately get rid of it. I'd do avoidance training with the child. Set up a situation where the dog thinks you're gone and if he stiff legs up to the baby, jump out and clean his cl...

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That's correct. That sight would have been Uplandjournal, another very good site. I live in NE Wi., Door County.

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You're talking about simple obedience here, no "Aversion" training or you'll play heck getting him in the water. This is a golden opportunity for you, not a dilema. Challenge him, challenge him, challenge him. Sounds like he's obedience trained or beginning it. On a cc, let him run for the river and...

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I think that when Robinson wrote that, he must have needed an extra chapter to fill up his book. At least in my opinion, that is drivel and makes no sense at all. A dog is going to make his living on birds (hopefully). The more desire he has to get that bird, the better dog he'll be. People, especia...

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jbr03 wrote:the mousetraps wont hurt the dog?

Only his dignity.

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Yup, I'm in too. Nice web page.

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Try mousetraps. Put peanut butter on mouse traps and set them on the edge of the counter of table. It's fun. Just let pup do it's own thing and in time it'll learn. I've kept them off furniture the same way.

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I let them run and be pups until they're 6-9 months old depending on the pup. In this time they'll have been worked on bird launchers, CC, water intro. and bird intro's, and broken to the gun. At 6-9 months they begin obedience and force work, then go hunting again. Later I'll start handling work.

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Please remember you're dealing with a baby. You've got plenty of time for the real stuff. Until a pup is 6 months, I do very few things with them and none with pressure. 1) Get the pup on birds. 2) Lots of walks in the field and exposure to everything. 3) Tons of love and socialization. 4) The meani...

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Wagonmaster, you'll remember, or maybe not if you didn't use them a lot, that the old 70's and 80's gave an audible buzz when you held down the button and put it too your ear. Easier than putting a tester on them and back in those days there were no lights on them to show they were working. Anyhow, ...

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I'll tell you the first thing that I did when I got my collar was try it on myself. I made it up to 4 before I decided that was enough for me. If I ever find myself even considering going past 4 with Clyde I guess I will have to man up and give it a try on myself. After trying it, I sincerely doubt...

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Stump wrote:Went to sportsmens wharehouse today and found a CZ SXS Wow forget the sparta. My 2 cents

Yes, my feeling as well. I just bought a Bobwhite 20 from them for $549.00. That has to be the best deal on the market period if you don't mind the plain wood and fit. I don't. Shoots like a dream.

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Ezzy; that's the other thing. I don't like really lite guns. I prefer that they weigh in around 6 1/4-6 1/2 #. I have guns lighter than that and they feel too "whippy", the follow through isn't as good or as easy with the light guns. I just got a new CZA Bobwhite 20 and I got it for two reasons: It ...

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I am not saying Mike will not get after a dog. I am a believer that you should use the least amount of pressure to get the job done. I feel Dobbs promotes to much constant burn in his program. Dobb's program does work, but I just feel there are better methods out there. Jon Hann has a pretty good c...

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I'd never subject a dog to that. Why are you making her sit and watch while you fire a pistol? Give the dog a break and leave her in the cab of your truck. Or buy her ear muffs.

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I like the lite 12's. I'm shooting a Ruger Gold Label sxs right now and love it. Here's the thing with a 12 like this. A 12 is the most versatile gun out there. You can by light loads, one ouncers so it's like a 20, or get a set of Gauge Mate Gold 20 adapters so you can shoot 20's in it, or get heav...

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Whenever they're in the field, and whatever they're doing, they're learning. You task is to make sure what the dog learns is a positive and not a negative thing.

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