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Don't they do alot of avoidance training? Start low and put up the pressure until compliance? I have not seen the video but been to simular seminars with same method. Dont they use a collar for obedience, FF, and about everything trained? They do. Their dogs are totally collar conditioned, but so a...

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I am not the biggest fan of Dobbs method of collar conditioning. I feel they use to much pressure. I feel you can use less pressure and properly collar condition the dog. I suggest you get a dvd Mike Lardy's collar conditioning dvd. Mike Lardy is one of the top Field Trial Trainers in the country. ...

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Justin she knows that is where she is to go at night for the most part, but she hesitates any other time when i say "kennel" or "kennel up". how do i get her to like her kennel more ? any other suggestions? Make her go into it, it doesn't matter if she likes it or not. It's her way of testing you. ...

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NICE kitty. Most cats are terrified of dogs. Even a small beagle will tree one. Wolves I worry about, Kitty's, no.

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What do you guys do about your pup sniffing deer tracks? Do you say "no" or just ignor? I hunt where there is a ton of deer and I handle it like this. All of my dogs are e-collar dogs and fully broken to them. When a pup's a pup, I don't make a big deal of it. When they're actually in the woods, I ...

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Lab man's got it nailed pretty much. The only part I disagree slightly with is that some dogs are noise shy, not just gun shy. If you start from the time they're pups making load noises around them with pleasant association the dog will never be shy of any sound, except possible the dreaded firework...

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I would most strongly suggest you you buy a book like Dobbs (Tritronics) or one similar and follow that. The old Dobbs book is excellent for a beginning trainer. It's geared to the hunter as well as the trialer.

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Mainiac, you are correct in your assumptions. The fact that your dog is picking up the scent and pointing after the fact shows us the light is burning, though maybe dimly at this point. Keep exposing your dog to wild birds till she gets it. And she will get it. Now she will likely break and chase f...

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Keep in mind also that as many dogs are noise shy as are gunshy. Make a lot of loud noises around the dog. Bang feed dish at dinner time, clap your hands and good dog her, take her on a leash where there's traffic and noise. Get her used to loud, pleasant noises. I once trained a field trial dog tha...

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Why would you whoa train a dog that holds point.I was hunting with him yesterday and Parker went on point.now he will hold point for awhile and I never have to worry about him moving. You wouldn't as long as he was steady to the point and not indicating he would move. Even if he jumps and busts the...

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Browning over and unders, and Ruger and CZA sxs's are my go-to guns now. I'm hunting almost exclusively with the Ruger Gold Label and CZA Bobwhite now.

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I think you should work with a game manager, establish a self sustaining population of wild birds, and invite us down to survey the population!

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Fred; you'll also find many opinions on training a dog on this board and few are totally wrong. You'll find that in training a bird dog, traditional methods rule, but that is rapidly evolving, at least with the Versatile dog owners. A famous old dog trainer once said " Training a dog is nothing more...

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-----Easiest correction here is the e-collar. When you hear him around the counter, just buzz him on a 3 or 4 setting with the ecollar and don't say a thing. ------- I disagree with this method of using the e-collar, especially for some one new to trainer and to the e-collar. Ezzy explain the use o...

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Fred, you never have to worry about them thinking the crate is a "jail". To a dog, a kennel is security. Mine are in them all the time in my truck and in the house, you'll find them at various times of the day just sleeping in their kennels. Most dogs love and feel secure when they're in a kennel.

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I don't understand Wagonmaster, why you would want to use a scooter like that rater than a mountain bike. I'd rather pedal than scoot!

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I put a choker on them at about 6-8 months, when they're regular training starts. The Delmar Smith Wonder Lead is also excellent. If you buy a heeling stick, the pup won't tug at the lead.

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But some house manners and untouched basic commands should probably be addressed. This should be you top priority now. I highly recommend both the Perfection videos and the Dobbs. Perfection doesn't really address the basics in depth, Dobbs does. Dobbs is a great trainer with a fine record. He prob...

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If you have a park, you can try "skijouring" (sp). Let the dog tow you around the park while you're on skiis. Much the same as summer resistance training.

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I don't use the chains either. I ride my bike on gravel paths and have the dog run alongside of it. Keeps me and the dog is shape.

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Just a couple of things: You don't want her to flush and chase grouse; she's a pointing breed. Grouse are the toughest bird you can train a dog on; expect a lot of failure. Don't let her catch planted or liberated birds she's supposed to be pointing. If you want her to chase birds, keep her on a che...

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However, with respect to young pups biting, it is common and unrelated to whether a dog turns out to be a "maneater," an aggressive dog that bites people. That type of aggression usually shows later, after 6 mos., and more often when dogs enter dog puberty or adolescence. Puppy biting is common, th...

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Well and succinctly put Helen. Just by coincidence, there is a post on uplandbirddog today from a beginning trainer who thought obedience early and often was the right way to go. Now needs to figure out how to stop the dog from sitting, and how to make it a bird dog. He really can't be much of a "T...

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I might, but I'd make sure the dogs were the ones that bent over to pick up the birds!!

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Here's something else I do when I hunt one particular cover that tears the fronts on my dogs legs up. Wrap the let in vetwrap, then duct tape over that. Does a nice job of protecting the dog.

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It depends on the size of the dog and the size of the chain. Some guys use welding cable instead. Some also use bungee cords unstead of rope so if the chains hang up, they cushion the jerk.

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The dog is this avitar is pointing a woodcock in Wi. woodcock cover. This is light cover, much is heavier. My dogs hurtle themselves into the cover all day. I've never had one pick it's way through it unless it was an old dog.

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Yes, that is correct. You cannot have a well trained dog without challenging the dog. As an example: once she comes 100% of the time on a CC, start overlaying the collar. Start with level one and gradually move up until you notice a slight reaction from her, a twitch but not a yelp. Then exactly as ...

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Exactly Hutch. It drives me crazy. Then, chances are, it's these same people who have not taught their dog obedience or submissiveness that come back two years later and ask for sympathy because "bowser" bit their child's face and had to be destroyed. Learning to be a valued and useful member of a h...

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The dog must all ready be trained to use the collar effectively. The collar is a reinforcement tool only. You'll find a tremendous difference in the amount of juice a lab absorbs compared to an ES. Some ES'S. An old dog of mine, now dead, could empty a collar and keep on smilin'.

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She's a baby, that's what's prompting it. I never take a CC off them so I can always catch them. Depending on her age, never give a command you can't enforce or it'll make it tougher on you later.

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i am in south east texas and just had a week of freezing rain. will this unusual weather for here cause the birds to move elsewhere? when do they normally start migrating out of here? In Wi., if the ground freezes and the birds can find no way to get their bills into the earth, they leave. do woodc...

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What specifically would you suggest? Nothing harsh. Pinching the nose and a firm NO. Taking my index finger and next finger and tapping his nose firmly, saying no. Being very consistent to NEVER let than pup bite me. It may be normal for a pup to do, but I don't have to tolerate it. I've seen too m...

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Wagonmaster, how much experience do you have with Cockers? That's always been one of the breeds shortcomings. No need to promote it.

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Cindy; I personally feel they're going overboard now but you are more qualified than I to say that. Sure, we want to know there are no hip problems within the lines and no eye problems. Other than that, my main concern is how the lines have fared in competetion and what the sire and dam are like. Th...

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I don't put up with biting from any pup. When I say NO, they better stop. Especially with a cocker. Most of them I've been around are "nippers" anyhow. You could be asking for a serious problem as the dog ages if you don't curtail it now. Either grab it by the nose and pinch it saying NO, or slap it...

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It is really a simple thing to do. You don't need pinch collar or anything but a heeling stick, leash, and collar. What you have to do is to show the pup where he is supposed to be. I wait until they're about six months to do this. Put him on a lead and collar. Take your heeling stick and keep in st...

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They are exactly like children and do go through the terrible two's. Sometimes it gets so bad, an exceedingly well trained dog looks like a started one. Persevere and enjoy.

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If he wants a "countdown" reel, he wants a rod and reel to run long lines or planer boards behind the boat. Diawa makes one and a combo as well, they are called "linecounters" and the rod and reel combo's go for about $90.00. Reel only is about $60.00 from Cabela's. Most guys around here use the Dai...

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Game farms and skeet.

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I like the 30' lariat style cords. I actually use them from 15' on up, but never longer than the 30'. The lariat style cords won't tangle in brush, collect thorns, etc. and they don't tangle.

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You're missing a step. Remember, a collar is only used for reinforcement. First, get the dog coming reliably to "here" on a CC. Then, CC and Whistle. Finally, whistle, nudge him with the collar while still on CC. Eventually, you can say "here", "whistle", or both, holding CC in left hand and holding...

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A lot of the game farms sell them. I know Wolf River in central Wi. does.

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I never worry about it at that age. Just make a retrieving maniac out of her. In a very short time when you start obedience and force with her that problem will be taken care of. Make sure you get some good books or DVD's and follow them completely.

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How right you are, but what everybody forgets is, you can sure mess a dog up if the birds are done properly. As everybody knows, it's 100x harder to get a dog corrected than it is do it correct. Go buy some birds and plant them yourself so you will know exactly where they are and bring your dogs in...

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It's not hurting her a bit, she's a baby playing and enjoying what she's doing. Sounds like you're standing up when you throw the ball for her? Try sitting or laying down so the pup will more readily come to you. Don't be in a hurry to take the ball. Let her know that when she brings it to you, she'...

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I like TT, the older models like the Pro 500. The reason so many use TT, is that starting in the 70's, they really invented the modern e-collar. They experimented with them on everything from mules to autistic children. The training methods used today were developed around the TT collars. I have hea...

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Paul long is ok, but I like Delmar Smith's better. I really think there isn't a better book out there than the NAVHDA green book. For videos look to Dobbs, Perfection Kennels, or Hickock. Just pick one plan and follow it; don't get confused. Perfection's are more about the field training. The others...

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This really does not sound at all like gunshyness. Normally the dog is not going to retrieve the bird if it's gunshy. I would look to these possibilities: was there another animal, snake, etc. where the bird dropped that could have frightened the pup? Did another dog nip him when he picked up the bi...

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Try and get a list of his customers from the last several litters. Call the owners that have had their pups 2-3 years and ask them how they're doing. Obviously, try to call people with pups from the same breeding, but you have to understand that many times breeders never make the same breeding twice...

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