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by gonehuntin'
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 857

Re: Using e collar

The degree of intolerance towards other hunters on this board is alarming. I have been eating a steady stream of mature bull elk and whitetail bucks for decades now. Properly handled they are delicious, is what I and every one we serve it to will tell you. If your palate is different that is fine, ...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Expect The Unexpected *Video*
Replies: 3
Views: 156

Re: Expect The Unexpected *Video*

Boy, did I enjoy that! Great job. I have never been involved in pointing dog field trials but was heavily involved in the retriever trials. Even lived close to you in Declo, Id. Everything you say about the pointing dog trials is true of retriever trials. Usually, the winning dog deserved the win. B...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 857

Re: Using e collar

The older you get, the easier and more necessary it is to go to an ecollar. Of all the quotes made by our learned friend, Gonehunting,who I personally have admired and gained from ,this one (imo).sends and says the wrong message . But I am sure we will still be friends. I speak for myself only. At ...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

ddoyle wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:28 pm
Gone video unavailable
Should be fixed now.
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

I don't think that's so amazing, it's just the way a dog responds when correctly started on the jowl fetch, a method I'm a HUGE proponent of. It's a great method for beginners afraid of getting in trouble because the dog can be totally forced using the jowl only, never going to the ear or stick. Bee...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pretty Amazing
Replies: 7
Views: 245

Re: Pretty Amazing

averageguy wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:30 pm
Hey GH, I could be wrong but I think you intended this post to be under the Value of FF Thread in response to the video link I posted there over the weekend?
Indeed you are correct. That thread is amazing!
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pretty Amazing
Replies: 7
Views: 245

Re: Pretty Amazing

I don't think that's so amazing, it's just the way a dog responds when correctly started on the jowl fetch, a method I'm a HUGE proponent of. It's a great method for beginners afraid of getting in trouble because the dog can be totally forced using the jowl only, never going to the ear or stick. Bee...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 857

Re: Using e collar

Honker; join this century. I think you are hugely misinformed or under informed on ecollar usage. Here are some points for you: You can't train a dog with an ecollar, you can only reinforce manually taught. An ecollar is the fastest, safest, most humane way to train ANY dog. The advantage of using a...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

An interesting dialogue. I have a Fr Britt and a couple of black Labs. We hunt publicly accessible land in Montana every year and by the time we get there after goose hunting is done here, the pheasants are spooky. This past fall was the worst year for numbers by far that I've yet seen. The birds w...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

Classic GDF replies. Most responses on here turn into a d ic k measuring contest and the OP never gets a honest or good answer. OP do yourself a favor and search on Facebook for gun dog or upland hunting groups. People in those groups tend to be friendlier since their real name and picture are atta...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

I am not sure about any dog running 18 mph all day. Even 3 hours at that pace is 54 miles. I expect that will gas the best of them. I think you assume we hunt the same type of country and we don't. When I hunt the West, it's rare I can spend more than an hour or hour and a half in any cover, than w...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Time to Fully Train a Brittany
Replies: 18
Views: 457

Re: Time to Fully Train a Brittany

Average trainer will take 3-4 months for field, obedience and ff.
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

Funny, my experiences do not mirror that at all. As you know, I've run the slower dogs for the last V dogs for quite a few years now, about 15. I ran labs a lot longer. The last two setters I had many who hunted behind them thought the perfect duo. Taz would move like the prairie wind, ranging to 50...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 857

Re: Using e collar

,,,, Be aware also that the tone button on a collar, at least the Alpha, is not as precise as the whistle. Just curious....can you explain what you mean about the tone on the alpha not being as precise as the whistle? cr Let me start with the whistle. My dog's are trained that one blast is whoa, tw...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

That dog clocks 10-11 MPH average speed over a days hunting having learned to pace himself for a lot of hunting on a lot of days. He is smart and experienced enough to know when he needs to slow down and the photo in my post above is an example of it. He had pointed the covey in the photo below, I ...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

I like her speed as well. She is a small dog with long legs and gets around really fast. I am more confident after reading the many replys that she will be fine as she is. I will work a little with a release system in order to get her to whoa a little further out but she is a smart dog and as state...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 857

Re: Using e collar

Never, ever, warn a dog. Correct or command, but never warn. If you do, you'll be well on your way to creating an unresponsive dog. If it's worth "warning" a dog, it's worth correcting a dog. In the old days we COULDN'T warn, only punish. My new collar has, as yours, tone, zap and vibration. I use t...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

Maybe there is some talking past each other to some extent. In your example where the dog ran through the narrow part of the scent cone, nearly stepping on the bird that would be overrunning its nose in my verbiage (and others as I did not invent the term). Had the dog been searching more slowly it...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

I don't believe that any trained dog ever over runs his nose. I do believe these things: A dog can be upwind of a bird and you thought he ran past it. A dog can go through the narrow section of a scent cone, nearly stepping on the bird and go past it. A scent cone is like a V . The closer that dog c...
by gonehuntin'
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 900

Re: Slowing down the dog

I'm with CJ. Can't have a pointing dog too fast.
by gonehuntin'
Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: a techie problem
Replies: 19
Views: 482

Re: a techie problem

I agree. What a "bleep" format.
by gonehuntin'
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: test
Replies: 1
Views: 72

Re: test

lookin' good.
by gonehuntin'
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

Well I could be wrong, I often am. But i know with every new dog that comes into my life I use a lot less force in general training than the dog prior. I would hope that's due to understanding dogs better and not worse... When you compete with a dog it's different, or if you're getting paid to trai...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

I think FF is a great foundation on which to build a dog and although yes you do use some force, the more skilled the trainer is, the less force is actually required (this could be said of any training concept). t I don't believe that statement is true. In fact, I'd say it's reversed. The LESS skil...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

The critical stage in FF for me is reading whether the dog is confused or refusing/being stubborn. I think a bunch of Amateurs lack the experience to be good at that and the oft repeated notion that "Force is Good or even Great" causes them to get into trouble in a hurry. Unless a dog lacks a stron...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

There is still so much mis-information and misunderstanding of FF that it boggles my mind. The field trial retriever world is where FF was really honed and where it grew and with darn good reason. You have to understand the world of the field trial retriever to understand FF. The dog's get trained a...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Kovan - No squeak Toys
Replies: 16
Views: 361

Re: Kovan - No squeak Toys

Just remember that because you didn't have a problem with one dog, or five dog's, that squeakers may not create a problem with the next. You can actually call in fox and coyote with squeaker toys. Why EVER take the chance of creating a problem when you don't have to??? Buy the toy and remove the squ...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:06 am
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 982

Re: The value of the force fetch.

I'll start the circus off. I FF every dog I own and every dog I've ever trained.i have for over 40 years and I always will. FF has little to do with retrieving but everything to do with bonding, compliance and delivery. It installs in the dog knowledge that he must perform like it or not and the dog...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:14 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Kovan - No squeak Toys
Replies: 16
Views: 361

Re: Kovan - No squeak Toys

When you give a dog a squeak toy to play with its kind of like letting him carry around a bomb; it may never blow up or it may explode at any time. There are two problems with squeak toys: 1) when squeezed they sound like a small animal in distress. Much like your dog catching a baby rabbit. 2) they...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: sending dog for training
Replies: 72
Views: 1360

Re: sending dog for training

Unless you send your dog for two months minimum you're wasting your dough.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Puppy training
Replies: 3
Views: 190

Re: Puppy training

Get a good program, study it and follow it. The Evan Graham series from Rush Creek is good and so is Fowl Dawgs. He's at the age now that he will only get worse and very quickly if you don't put some pressure on him and train him now.
by gonehuntin'
Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Locating dogs in thick cover
Replies: 18
Views: 1232

Re: Locating dogs in thick cover

If I didn't hunt dog's in cover so thick I couldn't see them, grouse and woodcock in tag alder or dog hair Aspen and pheasant in cattail swamps, I wouldn't get much hunting in. Being able to locate dog's quickly and silently is a must.
by gonehuntin'
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: New to training
Replies: 8
Views: 302

Re: New to training

No for the not so good: At times he is very difficult to live with in the house. Full of energy and constantly going after pillows, jumping on counters, chasing the cat and going after my 11 year old daughters shoes, jacket, backpack, trying to hump her leg or whatever else. He barks at her and bum...
by gonehuntin'
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:49 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Garmin Alpha
Replies: 7
Views: 367

Re: Garmin Alpha

I use a collar on the dog with an O ring in the middle. I use the long antenna and just stick it through the O ring. Works great.
by gonehuntin'
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunt close
Replies: 52
Views: 1101

Re: hunt close

I very rarely hunt in to the wind. I think it promotes creeping and gives the dog too narrow a scent cone to hunt. I like either hunting downwind, which gives you the same narrow cone BUT when the dog points, the bird is pinched between you and the dog. I do think the best though is crosswind. The d...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Black Bear encounters when training?
Replies: 20
Views: 596

Re: Black Bear encounters when training?

If you're worried about it, don't go there. I've run dog's my entire life in bear and wolf country, have had close encounters, but never a disastrous experience. You might want to bring a change of underwear though.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: hunt close
Replies: 52
Views: 1101

Re: hunt close

Many people, especially beginners are uncomfortable with the dog pulling out. Most weekend hunters depend on gamefarm birds.They don't like seeing the bird they pay $25 for fly away. If the bird flushes in range they shoot it. They are happy as could be with their dog. The dog is happy as can be wi...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Can dogs be trained to herd wild deer?
Replies: 14
Views: 823

Re: Can dogs be trained to herd wild deer?

Trekmoor wrote::lol: Yup ! I am wondering if Jon is "pulling our chains !" :lol:

Bill T.
More likely, the bottle.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunt close
Replies: 52
Views: 1101

Re: hunt close

My personal opinion is that you should stop fighting the dog and adjust to him. Every dog has a God given, built in range. You can control it by constant hacking but you will never change it. 200 yards is not a long way out. At 70 yards you may as well own a flusher. Quartering is very useful if you...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:12 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Thanks, Ezzy333
Replies: 29
Views: 1264

Re: Thanks, Ezzy333

Thank You Ezzy; great job for many years.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Product Ratings & Reviews
Topic: The Garmin Alpha; An Expensive Mistake
Replies: 5
Views: 368

Re: The Garmin Alpha; An Expensive Mistake

I have lived your pain GH, having used my Alpha for a few years prior. I bought the 550 Plus transmitter only, paired it with my existing collars and solved my problems. If you did the same you would have the training features you want, a simple way to handle and track each dog with flip of a toggl...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:28 am
Forum: Product Ratings & Reviews
Topic: The Garmin Alpha; An Expensive Mistake
Replies: 5
Views: 368

The Garmin Alpha; An Expensive Mistake

The Garmin Alpha; An Expensive Mistake. I'm an old duffer so I'm always trying to increase efficiency and simplicity when I hunt. I was running multiple dogs with three collars on them: Astro 320, Pro 100 and an ID collar. I could easily have omitted the ID collar but I'm lazy and it doesn't interfe...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Positive enforcement
Replies: 110
Views: 2640

Re: Positive enforcement

As an admitted "Old Timer", I've never understood why people strive to make dog training so complicated. Everything has to have a label which only serves to complicate and confuse more. I have never understood people's needs to do that. It all boils down to when a behavior is rewarded, it's positive...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Positive enforcement
Replies: 110
Views: 2640

Re: Positive enforcement

GH, we have had the discussion elsewhere and I mostly agree. I think your ability to get faster results using NR is not necessarily the case with many Novice trainers who I think may well produce better and faster results working with one puppy at a time using a greater mix of PR. I think a Novice ...
by gonehuntin'
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:30 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Positive enforcement
Replies: 110
Views: 2640

Re: Positive enforcement

I always think these PR discussions are pretty funny. PR has been around as long as I have. It's how people and trainers have always got puppies to complete training tasks. Always. I haven't read it in years, but I'd bet that James Lamb Free preached it in his bible on Retriever Training. PR is grea...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:28 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Positive enforcement
Replies: 110
Views: 2640

Re: Positive enforcement

I call BS on that observation. RayG Same here. EVERY dog will do something right 100 times, do it wrong and try to do it wrong again . I've seen labs go on a blind, lay their ears back, droop their tail and start on a wrong line. KNOWING a correction was coming. I've seen a setter staunchly point, ...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:30 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Hunt Speed
Replies: 14
Views: 704

Re: Hunt Speed

Totally dependent on cover. In grouse woods, about 7-8mph. Prairie, 10-11mph. Cattail 5mph.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:28 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: ecollar recommendations
Replies: 11
Views: 583

Re: ecollar recommendations

IF you only run ONE dog and IF you need GPS, tracking, and stimulation for training, the Alpha is the way to go. IF you run multiple dogs, the Alpha is a piece of crap. IF I didn't need GPS, just tracking and correction, no doubt I"d be using a 550.
by gonehuntin'
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:00 am
Forum: Product Ratings & Reviews
Topic: Astro 430, SportDOG TEK 2.0, or Dogtra Pathfinder?
Replies: 4
Views: 1463

Re: Astro 430, SportDOG TEK 2.0, or Dogtra Pathfinder?

I love my Astro's and have nothing bad to say about them. I've used them since their inception. The Alpha is another story. It is a poorly thought out piece of crap IF YOU RUN MORE THAN ONE DOG. It is touch screen so when hunting in the cold with gloves, it is difficult at best to switch between dog...
by gonehuntin'
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Garmin help
Replies: 9
Views: 495

Re: Garmin help

Then you have to unlock the screen each before using it. If you run more than one dog. A poorly thought out PITA. They are in dire need of a fourth button or toggle.