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by gonehuntin'
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Organizing a training day
Replies: 4
Views: 105

Re: Organizing a training day

First thing is to have a very good trainer there that won't take crap from anyone. If you don't maintain control of the group you'll have know it all S telling the group how THEY'D do it and distract from the whole presentation. There can be ONLY ONE!
by gonehuntin'
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

Then I'd think that there are some things you must realize. 1) No trainer anywhere will guarantee he can cure mouth problems like chomping. 2) PR gives you no basic to fall back on. You need a program to build a reliable dog. 3). A ten week pup is one thing, a three year old another. The chances of ...
by gonehuntin'
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

A ten week pup has nothing in common with a three year old with problems. The justification in the ear pinch system over any other on the planet is that retrievers have been trained using this method in field trials since before I've been around the game and that's 50 years. A dog trained without t...
by gonehuntin'
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:03 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

The benefits of Force Fetching a dog far outweigh a little ear pinch for a couple days. You will get the retrieve you want and will have a different relationship, for the better, with your dog. Whether they need it or not, I FF all my dogs. FF is not just about the retrieve. I've heard that and som...
by gonehuntin'
Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Other Hunting, are You Done.......
Replies: 17
Views: 514

Re: Other Hunting, are You Done.......

You go through phases. At my age, I've through a bunch of them. First, I gave up hunting for retriever field trials. Then I gave up firelf trialing for archery. I then gave up archery for fly fishing. I now spend my time with a fly rod and bird dogs. I've been into dogs for 60 years and never been t...
by gonehuntin'
Sun May 26, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Quail in a travel cage overnight?
Replies: 10
Views: 346

Re: Quail in a travel cage overnight?

I crate them and keep them on a roof rack.
by gonehuntin'
Thu May 23, 2019 8:49 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Training method comparison
Replies: 15
Views: 476

Re: Training method comparison

Don't let it puzzle you Bill, it's not a correct assessment. We train for HUNTING and the hunt tests are the icing on the cake. A competetive hunt test dog makes a superb hunting dog. They are obedient, steady to shot and fall and handle like a dream. All will go to the field and quarter for pheasan...
by gonehuntin'
Thu May 23, 2019 5:33 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Training method comparison
Replies: 15
Views: 476

Re: Training method comparison

There is a training philosophy that is gaining ground that is a kind of blending of the two. It is basically the American program reinforced in young dogs by clicker and reward. I believe that one dish, EVERYONE will have adopted this program.
by gonehuntin'
Wed May 22, 2019 10:58 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 10
Views: 403

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

Each and every thing you teach your dog to compete in a trial will show HUGE benefits in daily hunting.
by gonehuntin'
Wed May 22, 2019 9:32 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 10
Views: 403

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

The Internet has its limits – or perhaps my typing skills have their limits. I'm sure others will fill in for my unwillingness to address the subject of why your dog should be steady to wing. Steady to shot is a different story for many. But I'd suggest you read a few basic books on the subject of ...
by gonehuntin'
Wed May 22, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

Porochi, you have gone radio silent for awhile so not sure where you are at with your dog. The trainer and dog I posted earlier in this thread are now pointing, flushing, shooting and retrieving shot birds to hand. A discussion on clicker training on another board turned up this video and I thought...
by gonehuntin'
Sat May 18, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

The best system of FF on the planet is the one Evan Graham teaches. It can be easily modified by using treats. You seem to think FF has to be brutal. It most certainly does not. By combining TEACHING with PRESSURE reinforced by TREATS the FF process is relatively easy to achieve. Now, let me state a...
by gonehuntin'
Sat May 18, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Not A Bird Dog But.....
Replies: 5
Views: 249

Re: Not A Bird Dog But.....

Extremely impressive! What breed is this? Can still from the overhead pictures. Was this taken by a drone? Very useful photography, too. Yes Steve, taken with a drone. Had to change batteries once. Here is some more info on the breed they're creating. I'm posting this because like many others on he...
by gonehuntin'
Sat May 18, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Not A Bird Dog But.....
Replies: 5
Views: 249

Not A Bird Dog But.....

If you enjoy great dog work, take a gander at this. Annie is the 2018 Novice champion.

The dog works to whistle and voice but most of what you're seeing Dagley says is experience and natural ability.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 3444868243
by gonehuntin'
Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: A little venting about my neighbor. Not that interesting
Replies: 25
Views: 1024

Re: A little venting about my neighbor. Not that interesting

Work, it doesn't really seem to be a problem but you might invite your neighbor to a training session with pup. I'm betting, since you're not shooting the birds, she might find it fascinating. Another thing you can do to preserve birds is to use a fishing rod. I've posted a video of it on here before.
by gonehuntin'
Thu May 09, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: New to e-collars and bird dogs
Replies: 7
Views: 477

Re: New to e-collars and bird dogs

I was thinking about doing some hiking with the collar on and not do any corrections with it. Just so she doesn’t associate it with staying close to me in heel or whoaing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Never start a dog on an ecollar unless it's on a leash. If it bolts and you can't catch it, ...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Passing of Ezzy333 - Al Esger
Replies: 14
Views: 1327

Re: Passing of Ezzy333 - Al Esger

A lot of work for little pay or appreciation. Thank You Ezzy.
by gonehuntin'
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.
Replies: 19
Views: 715

Re: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.

Bill T, every winter a slug of us retriever trainers would meet in Arizona. All of us. We're from different parts of the country; east, west, Midwest, south so it was rare for us to compete with each other. The exchange of information each winter was phenomenal. I miss that.
by gonehuntin'
Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.
Replies: 19
Views: 715

Re: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.

Plenty of other ways but my way had proven very successful for me in field trials. I wouldn't let anyone tell me to modify this or that. i KNEW my methods worked and knew the client had no idea what he was talking about. i was always so busy that there was no time for doubters.
by gonehuntin'
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.
Replies: 19
Views: 715

Re: Gun Dog Trainers/Mentors.

If someone didn't believe in my program or methods, I'd send their dog home and tell them to get another trainer. I didn't have time for anyone to doubt me or my methods. There was one way to do things and that was my way.
by gonehuntin'
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training an excitable dog?
Replies: 58
Views: 1785

Re: Training an excitable dog?

Dog is three years old with three trainers, trained three different ways and probably kennel shy. He's no youngster at three and the quicker the owner gets a handle on, the easier his training will be. That's why I said to start over; hard to say HOW the dog was trained so train him the way YOU want.
by gonehuntin'
Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:00 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training an excitable dog?
Replies: 58
Views: 1785

Re: Training an excitable dog?

Hey, CJ, whacking a dog with a heeling stick ain't abuse. Beating a dog is abuse and YOU should realize that.
by gonehuntin'
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training an excitable dog?
Replies: 58
Views: 1785

Re: Training an excitable dog?

I haven't read through the replays because many times I don't agree with them anyhow. :evil: I'm going to take a shot and say what you bought was a "kennel shy" dog. That is a dog raised in a kennel without much human contact until old enough to train, then trained. Very hard dogs to work with becau...
by gonehuntin'
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Won't hunt
Replies: 18
Views: 713

Re: Won't hunt

Easiest way to get a pup exploring is with an older dog. Just let them romp around, no pressure. Doesn't matter the type, could be a Schnauzer. Working on obedience at a young age can also make them clingy. I'm with the others; he's a baby, give him time.
by gonehuntin'
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF
Replies: 42
Views: 1717

Re: Training GSP to retrieve w/out FF

If the dog has ZERO interest in retrieving, won't chase balls or toys, it will probably never be a decent retriever. You can not make a dog into a good retriever by forcing it if it has no interest in the task.
by gonehuntin'
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Proper use of the Check Cord
Replies: 12
Views: 635

Re: Proper use of the Check Cord

Quit dinking around. Fastest way to teach heel is a pinch collar and heeling stick. Or, just the heeling stick. It gives the dog a visual marker.
by gonehuntin'
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 1382

Re: Using e collar

The degree of intolerance towards other hunters on this board is alarming. I have been eating a steady stream of mature bull elk and whitetail bucks for decades now. Properly handled they are delicious, is what I and every one we serve it to will tell you. If your palate is different that is fine, ...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Expect The Unexpected *Video*
Replies: 3
Views: 312

Re: Expect The Unexpected *Video*

Boy, did I enjoy that! Great job. I have never been involved in pointing dog field trials but was heavily involved in the retriever trials. Even lived close to you in Declo, Id. Everything you say about the pointing dog trials is true of retriever trials. Usually, the winning dog deserved the win. B...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 1382

Re: Using e collar

The older you get, the easier and more necessary it is to go to an ecollar. Of all the quotes made by our learned friend, Gonehunting,who I personally have admired and gained from ,this one (imo).sends and says the wrong message . But I am sure we will still be friends. I speak for myself only. At ...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 1460

Re: The value of the force fetch.

ddoyle wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:28 pm
Gone video unavailable
Should be fixed now.
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 1460

Re: The value of the force fetch.

I don't think that's so amazing, it's just the way a dog responds when correctly started on the jowl fetch, a method I'm a HUGE proponent of. It's a great method for beginners afraid of getting in trouble because the dog can be totally forced using the jowl only, never going to the ear or stick. Bee...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pretty Amazing
Replies: 7
Views: 432

Re: Pretty Amazing

averageguy wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:30 pm
Hey GH, I could be wrong but I think you intended this post to be under the Value of FF Thread in response to the video link I posted there over the weekend?
Indeed you are correct. That thread is amazing!
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pretty Amazing
Replies: 7
Views: 432

Re: Pretty Amazing

I don't think that's so amazing, it's just the way a dog responds when correctly started on the jowl fetch, a method I'm a HUGE proponent of. It's a great method for beginners afraid of getting in trouble because the dog can be totally forced using the jowl only, never going to the ear or stick. Bee...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 1382

Re: Using e collar

Honker; join this century. I think you are hugely misinformed or under informed on ecollar usage. Here are some points for you: You can't train a dog with an ecollar, you can only reinforce manually taught. An ecollar is the fastest, safest, most humane way to train ANY dog. The advantage of using a...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

An interesting dialogue. I have a Fr Britt and a couple of black Labs. We hunt publicly accessible land in Montana every year and by the time we get there after goose hunting is done here, the pheasants are spooky. This past fall was the worst year for numbers by far that I've yet seen. The birds w...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

Classic GDF replies. Most responses on here turn into a d ic k measuring contest and the OP never gets a honest or good answer. OP do yourself a favor and search on Facebook for gun dog or upland hunting groups. People in those groups tend to be friendlier since their real name and picture are atta...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

I am not sure about any dog running 18 mph all day. Even 3 hours at that pace is 54 miles. I expect that will gas the best of them. I think you assume we hunt the same type of country and we don't. When I hunt the West, it's rare I can spend more than an hour or hour and a half in any cover, than w...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Time to Fully Train a Brittany
Replies: 18
Views: 737

Re: Time to Fully Train a Brittany

Average trainer will take 3-4 months for field, obedience and ff.
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

Funny, my experiences do not mirror that at all. As you know, I've run the slower dogs for the last V dogs for quite a few years now, about 15. I ran labs a lot longer. The last two setters I had many who hunted behind them thought the perfect duo. Taz would move like the prairie wind, ranging to 50...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 1382

Re: Using e collar

,,,, Be aware also that the tone button on a collar, at least the Alpha, is not as precise as the whistle. Just curious....can you explain what you mean about the tone on the alpha not being as precise as the whistle? cr Let me start with the whistle. My dog's are trained that one blast is whoa, tw...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

That dog clocks 10-11 MPH average speed over a days hunting having learned to pace himself for a lot of hunting on a lot of days. He is smart and experienced enough to know when he needs to slow down and the photo in my post above is an example of it. He had pointed the covey in the photo below, I ...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

I like her speed as well. She is a small dog with long legs and gets around really fast. I am more confident after reading the many replys that she will be fine as she is. I will work a little with a release system in order to get her to whoa a little further out but she is a smart dog and as state...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Using e collar
Replies: 41
Views: 1382

Re: Using e collar

Never, ever, warn a dog. Correct or command, but never warn. If you do, you'll be well on your way to creating an unresponsive dog. If it's worth "warning" a dog, it's worth correcting a dog. In the old days we COULDN'T warn, only punish. My new collar has, as yours, tone, zap and vibration. I use t...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

Maybe there is some talking past each other to some extent. In your example where the dog ran through the narrow part of the scent cone, nearly stepping on the bird that would be overrunning its nose in my verbiage (and others as I did not invent the term). Had the dog been searching more slowly it...
by gonehuntin'
Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

I don't believe that any trained dog ever over runs his nose. I do believe these things: A dog can be upwind of a bird and you thought he ran past it. A dog can go through the narrow section of a scent cone, nearly stepping on the bird and go past it. A scent cone is like a V . The closer that dog c...
by gonehuntin'
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Slowing down the dog
Replies: 47
Views: 1388

Re: Slowing down the dog

I'm with CJ. Can't have a pointing dog too fast.
by gonehuntin'
Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: a techie problem
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: a techie problem

I agree. What a "bleep" format.
by gonehuntin'
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: test
Replies: 1
Views: 133

Re: test

lookin' good.
by gonehuntin'
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 1460

Re: The value of the force fetch.

Well I could be wrong, I often am. But i know with every new dog that comes into my life I use a lot less force in general training than the dog prior. I would hope that's due to understanding dogs better and not worse... When you compete with a dog it's different, or if you're getting paid to trai...
by gonehuntin'
Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: The value of the force fetch.
Replies: 42
Views: 1460

Re: The value of the force fetch.

I think FF is a great foundation on which to build a dog and although yes you do use some force, the more skilled the trainer is, the less force is actually required (this could be said of any training concept). t I don't believe that statement is true. In fact, I'd say it's reversed. The LESS skil...