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- Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:18 pm
- Forum: Health and Nutrition
- Topic: Does anybody rotate formulas to avoid protein intolerance?
- Replies: 147
- Views: 69435
- Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:48 pm
- Forum: Health and Nutrition
- Topic: Does anybody rotate formulas to avoid protein intolerance?
- Replies: 147
- Views: 69435
Re: Does anybody rotate formulas to avoid protein intolerance?
]It's not about your ego, its about basic nutritional science. A sample size of one dog is bs, be it mine or yours. Tell me this, do you know your dogs or any others VO2 max? Lactic thresholds? No? Do you know how long your dogs can run before they deplete the glycogen in their liver? Any halfassed ...
- Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:33 pm
- Forum: Health and Nutrition
- Topic: Does anybody rotate formulas to avoid protein intolerance?
- Replies: 147
- Views: 69435
Re: Does anybody rotate formulas to avoid protein intolerance?
Someone needs to come up with a definition for better. Field Champion Odyssey's Tequaila Azul has been fed ProPlan Lamb and Rice and only that for 15 years, he has 41 horseback adult wins, All-Age and Shooting Dog, including wins against pointers. In addition, he hunted an average of 60 days a year...
- Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:08 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: scared on the leash
- Replies: 72
- Views: 31769
Re: scared on the leash
Clicker/treat-based operant training works on everything from insects all the way up to dolphins and whales, to say that horses and dogs need different types of training is 100% incorrect. There are some things that's been pretty well proven by peer reviewed science, and this is one of them. Any dog...
- Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:54 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Mile Post 9 Trial Grounds - Idaho
- Replies: 39
- Views: 27697
Re: Mile Post 9 Trial Grounds - Idaho
This fire is a huge loss. That area was one of few areas with large expanses of intact sagebrush, and was important sagegrouse habitat. The chukar will come back, but all the sagebrush obligate species are done. Under 4-5000ft sagebrush steppe doesn't regenerate anymore.
- Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:24 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Teaching older dog to kennel
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4885
Re: Teaching older dog to kennel
Use a clicker to help teach him to kennel.
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:02 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Finishing Stand/Whoa command
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4712
Re: Finishing Stand/Whoa command
I would put the ecollar away, and reread "training with mo" or some of the articles on http://www.steadywithstyle.com. The West method isn't one that really can be mixed with other plans. You don't want to be walking in front of dogs and hitting them with the collar at this stage of training. At 5 m...
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:45 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Finishing Stand/Whoa command
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4712
Re: Finishing Stand/Whoa command
Are you working him on birds? If he's not steady to wing yet I wouldn't try to walk around him or anything. Just stop him between birds and walk in front of him and act like you're flushing birds. Once he's steady to wing, introduce "whoa" as a cue to stand, then you can test him more. Take him upwi...
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:46 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: 5 month old Vizsla training
- Replies: 8
- Views: 5164
Re: To train or not to train?
I personally would take a 6 month old pup hunting(as long as it knows basic field commands) and wait till it was a year old to send it to a trainer. If you get 10 years of enjoyment out of your dog 6 months isn't long to wait.
- Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:18 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Brittany - Size Question
- Replies: 30
- Views: 14030
Re: Brittany - Size Question
You don't get a dog 18lbs oversize when they are only supposed to be 30-40lbs by accident. A couple piunds maby, but not 18. That's oversize by 50%!
My male Britt was fairly skinny, about 34 lbs till about 1.5-2 then he filled out to about 38-40. 10 months is pretty young still.
My male Britt was fairly skinny, about 34 lbs till about 1.5-2 then he filled out to about 38-40. 10 months is pretty young still.
- Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:32 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Plague
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1674
Re: Plague
Its actually more common than you would think. Its pretty well known to biologists that rodens can be reservoirs for plauge. It makes for good news, but the chances of you and your pet getting is pretty remote.
- Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:22 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: When To Start Breaking
- Replies: 15
- Views: 7050
Re:
My pup is steady to flush at 7.5 months. Right now the trainer has us working on steady to shot. I am completely new to all of this and had no idea where the dog should be at this point in training. The trainer had to explain all of this to me. He suggested i go to junior hunter with her. I have no...
- Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:36 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: 2 dog E-collar systems
- Replies: 24
- Views: 11912
Re: 2 dog E-collar systems
You can use the ecollar to correct a dog that knows a known command and gas been properly collar conditioned. If the dog does not understand why he is being corrected it will cause problems though. That said, for basic stuff around the house why use correction based training? You can teach dogs not ...
- Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:45 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Anyone ever experienced this on a hunt? (GSP kills Coyote)
- Replies: 46
- Views: 19809
Re: Anyone ever experienced this on a hunt? (GSP kills Coyote)
I don't know about you, but when I hunt I dispatch what I kill fast to minimize its suffering. I don't stand around videotaping it. Just more proof that there is a difference between hunters and killers.
- Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:32 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: First Post(!): Puppy Problems
- Replies: 17
- Views: 7882
Re: First Post(!): Puppy Problems
Choke chains damage your dogs trachea. Its not an opinion, its proven. I'm sure someone else will chime in and say I'm wrong though. Use something else to train your dog. A prong collar is much safer.
- Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:15 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Introduce 3 month Old GSP to Water?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4156
Re: Introduce 3 month Old GSP to Water?
People make water intros too hard. Just take your dog swimming with you, and slowly move from shallow water to deeper water he has to swim with. Make it fun for both of you, and he will love water later in life.
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:01 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
This is like debating with a lazy teenager that thinks he knows everything. From the Redpaw web site: WINNING RESULTS Since those humble beginnings, Redpaw has continued to improve and grow. Today, thousands of dogs throughout North America eat Redpaw's dog foods. In the mushing community, Redpaw i...
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:01 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
They are not talking laboratory. They are talking a complete lack of understanding of nutrition and why every feed is made up of several ingredients since there is not one ingredient that can fulfill the needs of an animal. That is why EVERY feed has multiple ingredients that supplement each other ...
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:32 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10 ... 02.63.1247
A quick glance at google scholar shows there is very little to no published research on CGM as a dog food. Hmm...
A quick perusal through other research papers on other animals show it can cause lyseine deficency in animals fed it.
A quick glance at google scholar shows there is very little to no published research on CGM as a dog food. Hmm...
A quick perusal through other research papers on other animals show it can cause lyseine deficency in animals fed it.
- Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:38 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
This is my last post. First performance is very real, it is primarily what is judged in a field trial. Without the best nutrition and conditioning dogs cannot display the other traits. All the top pros are campaigning dogs with very similar genetics, they all are close in ability as trainers and ha...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:19 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Post dogs on Point!!!!
- Replies: 738
- Views: 738066
Re: Post dogs on Point!!!!
My EP at tonight's training session.
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:26 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
Circular logic for the win. Purina heavily sponsors pro trainers and gives away their food as prizes, who use their food, then go on to win fin. Must be the food, and not good genetics combined with solid training. This is why advertising is so effective. Why is this so hard to understand? Or are y...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:12 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
Clink, I just happened to be working with the research farm back at the time Corm Gluten became available as a by-product of the Ethanol industry and we run many tests on it trying to find where it fit into the animal feeding protocol. The thing we found is one of the most complete vegetable source...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:32 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
Circular logic for the win. Purina heavily sponsors pro trainers and gives away their food as prizes, who use their food, then go on to win fin. Must be the food, and not good genetics combined with solid training. I This is why advertising is so effective. Field trials aren't timed foot races, and ...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:41 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: What's everyone's idealistic dog?
- Replies: 38
- Views: 14603
Re: What's everyone's idealistic dog?
Most important to me is the dog is my friend, and enjoys spending time with me. I could care less if a dog has perfect manners on birds if its only interest is finding the next bird. That's why I love hunting my britt more than my pointer.
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:13 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
You don't test a food by setting up a list of ingredients and comparing that list to the products.. You get a huge number of different dogs, catagorize the dogs and feed them different foods. Then you check the dogs for health, performance, weight loss or gain. Compare breed to breed, sex to sex, u...
- Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:41 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
I'm a biologist, so I know there is a huge difference between research and the application of research. Purinas business model requires high volumes of sales, which nessitates lower quality ingredients. Brewers rice is still waste rice, and corn and wheat are used because they are dirt cheap, no mat...
- Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:18 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
Scientifically organic food is much worse for the environment with no real increase in nutrients and minimal health benefits. Most people would rather listen to marketing than read research though.
- Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:43 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Dog Food Study
- Replies: 80
- Views: 25637
Re: Dog Food Study
This is silly. You wouldn't feed a human animal byproducts, you feed them high quality protein. Why would you think feeding your dog animal byproducts is somehow better, or that brewers rice is something you want to feed to your dog? Purina is in the business of making a profit selling mass produced...
- Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:57 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Chukar dogs
- Replies: 96
- Views: 69052
Re: Chukar dogs
IMO Chukar hunting can be easy or hard on a dogs feet and legs, depending on where you hunt. I rarely have pad problems with my britt, but his hocks and the webbing betwern his toes get cut up hunting in certain areas. Not a lot can be done about that breeding wise, but Lewis boots sure do help. Hea...
- Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:23 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: How Much Would you Pay for a Pup?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50425
Re: How Much Would you Pay for a Pup?
Ezzy, To be fair, this was a pretty passive aggressive thing to say: " It always makes me smile when they tell me field trial dogs are the same as the local breeders but those dastardly local bred pups can't hold a candle to their field trial dogs. Not sure that we can have it both ways. I do agree...
- Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:33 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Steadiness Training Question
- Replies: 28
- Views: 11598
Re: Steadiness Training Question
If your dog bit you every time you missed a bird would you want to hunt? You should correct a dog, not punish it. Combining punishment, birds, and "whoa" is a good way to develop problems later.
- Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:26 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: atvs and trials
- Replies: 34
- Views: 11240
Re: atvs and trials
What a "bleep" thread. This is exactly why the ADA exists, for good or bad. I've read the thread on that ATV guy, and he is a "bleep". That said: If you had a veteran that came back from Iraq or Afghanistan with no legs would you really have the guts to tell him that he couldn't participate because ...
- Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:03 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: pup pointing close
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3724
Re: pup pointing close
Honestly I think you're just going to cause more problems doing drills with launchers. You taught the dog his job is to point birds and let you flush him, the rest is going to be between the dog and bird. I've seen my dog point wild chuker at 40 yards and in the same week sight point two pen raised ...
- Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:15 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Bird habitat and "green energy"
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1909
Re: Bird habitat and "green energy"
I don't know anyone with a B.S, M.S, or Phd who would consider ethanol a "green energy" source.
- Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:42 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Tri color GSP pups
- Replies: 70
- Views: 31806
Re: Tri color GSP pups
Rare allelle combinations may be an indication of outcrossing, but it could just be a rare remnant of the foundation stock used to create the breed. Everyone always fly's the "outcross " flags on threads like these, but its not always the case.
- Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:40 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Brittanies in America
- Replies: 26
- Views: 10261
Re: Brittanies in America
A lot of Britts bred for FT have shorter coats, finer bone structure and more white. My dog is from FT lines but my mom has a pup from nontitled breeding, and there is a big difference in conformation. If you run them side by side my dog is faster and has a smoother gait than the other dog. Its more...
- Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:15 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: GPS collars working in very heavy tree cover
- Replies: 11
- Views: 5789
Re: GPS collars working in very heavy tree cover
I use a sportdog tek GPS collar in the forest here in Idaho and it works well enough to find a dog on point or find a lost dog. A beeper may work better at finding a dog in thick stuff, but it won't keep my dog from spending the night with wolves.
- Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:36 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: pup pointing close
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3724
Re: pup pointing close
What kind of birds? Are you using a training plan?
If you're hunting wild birds I wouldn't worry about it. If he holds his birds shoot them, and if he doesn't don't shoot them.
If you're hunting wild birds I wouldn't worry about it. If he holds his birds shoot them, and if he doesn't don't shoot them.
- Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:36 pm
- Forum: Off Topic Forum
- Topic: Pistol for bears?
- Replies: 53
- Views: 47059
Re: Pistol for bears?
Firearms have a 40% failure rate in stopping bear attacks, bear spray 10%. I'm going with the odds on this one.
- Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:24 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
- Replies: 89
- Views: 31328
Re: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
From Dave Walker:" When you're teaching your dog to be steady to wing, never shoot over him." The Bird Dog Training Manual. Under "steady To Wing. Dave's methods are ever changing. One thing he emphasizes is if the dog is souring on you shoot him a bird. No matter what you're teaching them. That's ...
- Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:32 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Steady to wsf without whoa
- Replies: 22
- Views: 8746
Re: Steady to wsf without whoa
You could use Dave Walkers version of the West method. Teach him to standup/stand still nonverbally, and if he sits while doing it you put your foot under him and bump his hocks when he sits while pushing down on his rear end. You also don't have to use whoa in that training method.
- Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:35 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Trial Dogs
- Replies: 60
- Views: 16231
Re: Trial Dogs
The OP's question was about greater difficulty in training a field trial dog, when I mentioned independence, I had previously (in the same post) spoke of dogs needed to be over the hill broke, being gone for 8 - 12 minutes at a time! Look, few hunting dog trainers and no retriever trainers I know w...
- Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:31 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Puppy food question
- Replies: 22
- Views: 7022
Re: Puppy food question
Your dog could have Guardia. I don't know if that requires a specialized teat or not. My pup somehow got it right after I brought him home from the breeder and I thought it was due to food issues for a while.
Some dogs just don't like some foods too.
Some dogs just don't like some foods too.
- Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:18 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Is Pointing Genetic?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 26834
Re: Is Pointing Genetic?
I fintd the cutting horse and herding dogs the closest to a pointing dog. So thanks for the help. Still keep wondering why Dr. Neff has not published his results.! Do you have the resources to take the genome of dogs, sequence it, identify all the coding vs non coding regions, figure out all the al...
- Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:42 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Steel loads for grouse and woodcock
- Replies: 38
- Views: 16118
Re: Steel loads for grouse and woodcock
The US Fish and Wildlife has nothing to do with the non-toxic shot requirement? Are you rewriting history? They rigged some phoney studies, held some hearings where they did not listen to hunter input, and published the new rules, resulting in a lot of wounded birds. I don't know why I bother posti...
- Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:55 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: What's best for a pups first year training or hunting?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 11495
Re: What's best for a pups first year training or hunting?
The genome is sequenced for many animals true, but identifying genes and mapping their function is a whole other process, and will take a long time to sort out. The other problem is that genes can code for several different things, depending on which signaling pathways are activated during transcrip...
- Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:47 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: What's best for a pups first year training or hunting?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 11495
Re: What's best for a pups first year training or hunting?
I carry my transmitter on my left side hanging upside down from a belt loop, I can get to it quickly, but these days I don't worry much about shooting, I let my son and his buddies do most of it, and if it flies, it dies with those guys, they don't much care about points or training. What I am sayi...
- Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:18 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Force fetching a Brittany
- Replies: 22
- Views: 8654
Re: Force fetching a Brittany
Clink, It seems your own judgement is limited either by geography experience or both. I would bet that Dave Walker would alter his "hard fast" rule should he find a situation he deemed it warranted. As a secondary consideration do you know who Paul Doiron is and his credentials and reputation in th...
- Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:53 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Force fetching a Brittany
- Replies: 22
- Views: 8654
Re: Force fetching a Brittany
FF a 14 month old Brittany is not the best idea. At that age it should be working on being broke, not being put on the table. Give your dog at least one season of solid hunting before you even think of it. A Brittany is not a lab, and I would not take advice from retriever people. Both of my Britta...