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by Swampbilly
Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:00 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF Pup
Replies: 29
Views: 8818

Re: FF Pup

My pup just hit his 6 month mark. Last weekend I had him at the farm while we deer hunted. I have had an issue with him this past week on retrieving to hand. He gets 10 or so feet away and drops whatever he is holding. Saturday afternoon I was working with him on basics, which he has pretty well do...
by Swampbilly
Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:21 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog won't force-fetch
Replies: 37
Views: 11857

Re: Dog won't force-fetch

It sounds like you need some trets. Seriously. People in birddogs look down on this and I don't know why. Get a hot dog, but it up and trade him a treat for the bumper or bird or whatever he is retrieving. Do it at the post first where he's used to taking birds and get awful excited when he's givin...
by Swampbilly
Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog won't force-fetch
Replies: 37
Views: 11857

Re: Dog won't force-fetch

It sounds like you need some treats. Seriously. People in birddogs look down on this and I don't know why. Get a hot dog, but it up and trade him a treat for the bumper or bird or whatever he is retrieving. Do it at the post first where he's used to taking birds and get awful excited when he's givi...
by Swampbilly
Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:00 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Force Fetch - next steps after the yard
Replies: 10
Views: 3167

Re: Force Fetch - next steps after the yard

I started a force fetch program with my 2yo Setter in January. Prior to starting this he had very little interest in retrieving anything even if he was chasing something thrown for him - he would usually mouth the bumper and play with it, but not even carry it. My first go at ff, and there was some...
by Swampbilly
Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:52 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Force Fetch - next steps after the yard
Replies: 10
Views: 3167

Re: Force Fetch - next steps after the yard

Stoneface wrote:I'm don't have any suggestions for you, but am posting to have it put at the top of the list. I'm surpirsed people aren't all over it with the way everyone is so crazy about force fetching a dog.
What's the problem with folks who want to get more out of their dogs?
by Swampbilly
Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:33 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog won't force-fetch
Replies: 37
Views: 11857

Re: Dog won't force-fetch

It sounds like you need some treats. Seriously. People in birddogs look down on this and I don't know why. Get a hot dog, but it up and trade him a treat for the bumper or bird or whatever he is retrieving. Do it at the post first where he's used to taking birds and get awful excited when he's givi...
by Swampbilly
Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:48 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Question about lining...
Replies: 23
Views: 10305

Re: Question about lining...

Think Timewise gave you some sound advice. Would add that while bannana lines as 'Time pointed out, caused by suction and factors, you additionally want to make sure pup is looking in the right direction before you release him from the line. Even though his spine is aligned and the dog is otherwise ...
by Swampbilly
Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:42 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: recall and retrieving question
Replies: 6
Views: 2431

Re: recall and retrieving question

I know these are very basic questions but I am also very new to all of this so I go to ya'll for help. I can't learn if I don't ask. My pup is 10 weeks old today at what point do you start working on simple recall for his name? What do you do to teach him his name? Also retrieving? He will retrieve...
by Swampbilly
Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:46 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog won't force-fetch
Replies: 37
Views: 11857

Re: Dog won't force-fetch

The alternative to outsourcing the dog to a professional who can apply a greater degree pain than an owner might feel is humane, is to use the positive reinforcement techniques that virtually all professional animal trainers in every setting (save self-professed gun-dog trainers) use to train anima...
by Swampbilly
Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:35 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Introduction to Water
Replies: 11
Views: 2555

Re: Introduction to Water

gonehuntin' wrote:Image


Younger the better as long
No as the water's warm and you let them enter naturally. This pup is 9 weeks.
^^^^
You'd mess your britches ifn' a huge Musky hit that bumper thinking it was a Runt Spook Floater, lol :mrgreen:
by Swampbilly
Fri May 13, 2016 11:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Rolling the Bumper
Replies: 1
Views: 867

Re: Rolling the Bumper

Don't want to jump in with the implications of "Oh lord, you've got some mouthing issues", dogs early on (and even trained seasoned) will sometimes roll the bumper momentarily with anticipation of delivering to hand. Sounds like you're doing the right thing by tapping under the chin and commanding N...
by Swampbilly
Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:32 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Training Consistent Recall on Stubborn Pup
Replies: 25
Views: 5732

Re: Training Consistent Recall on Stubborn Pup

Make sure the contacts are the right length and that the collar is working. A dog that's properly CC'd, (with a collar that works mind you), might very well ignore you with or without a distractuon, but not for very long- HERE*nick*HERE! And he needs to be making some tracks back to your side. Might...
by Swampbilly
Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:29 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: using the "nick" on retrive? ?? fair ??
Replies: 22
Views: 6955

Re: using the "nick" on retrive? ?? fair ??

Collar is to Push, Pull, and Stop the dog.

Unless the dog has been properly FF'd , (including collar FETCH), I'm not sure how you'd be able to effectively Push the dog with only basic Cc'd known commands.
Would be concerned about a whole lot of collar corrections with marks.
Careful with that.
by Swampbilly
Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: What A Shame
Replies: 54
Views: 14719

Re: What A Shame

On a thread on here, a member asked about a standard training proceedure, what it was and how it was accomplished. I answered him, neither endorsing the program, although I do, or belittling it. Rather than members simply reading it and opting to use of not use it, it turned into a thread of insult...
by Swampbilly
Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:36 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: What A Shame
Replies: 54
Views: 14719

Re: What A Shame

The shame is the moderator does remove posts that advocate animal abuse, which is what your methods are. Anyone caught using the techniques you outlined would go to jail for animal cruelty. Even if the "means" of your "techniques" weren't as brutal as they are, the "end" of terrorizing a dog so bad...
by Swampbilly
Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: debolt
Replies: 47
Views: 12801

Re: debolt

I understand IT IS YOUR OPINION and that is fine, but I only said that your opinion is not universal and there other opinions just as valid as yours and in different parts of the country where people have grown up under different circumstances you will find that there are other ways of doing things...
by Swampbilly
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:08 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: debolt
Replies: 47
Views: 12801

Re: debolt

The phrase "de-bolting" is interesting, and to me means you have a reason to believe your dog is going to bolt and be destroyed in his bolting. For that concern I can see it being very useful. It appears to also be an effort to strip all and any form of independence from the dog for at least a peri...
by Swampbilly
Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: debolt
Replies: 47
Views: 12801

Re: debolt

Can somebody explain Debolt. I guess I know what it means. but I do not know how you do it and why...................Cj Gonehuntin' gave a great explaination. Basically in a nutshell, you're giving the dog some options, or "choices" to make- with, and without distaction, and with pressure. Dog lear...
by Swampbilly
Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:33 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: debolt
Replies: 47
Views: 12801

Re:

Congratulations now you have a dog that is afraid to leave your side and when he does, he has no range. Nice! No, what you have is a debolted, obedient dog who understands that HERE,...means.... HERE! . Ain't all about your side being the "safest place", think you may have bitten into semantics- mo...
by Swampbilly
Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:01 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: tug o war
Replies: 176
Views: 38922

Re: tug o war

Neil wrote:There are those that argue an ear pinch is pressure, not punishment; but my dogs would say otherwise.
Neil,
Might be mis-understanding your post, but,
Respectfully-
It is pressure.
Unless you sat them down and told 'em they were being punished and not FF'd, they wouldn't know it :wink:
by Swampbilly
Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: tug o war
Replies: 176
Views: 38922

Re: tug o war

Lord help us, Swamp, he's still at it, equivocating away. Even turned his benevolent blather point-blank on Gonehuntin' now: http://www.versatiledogs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19925&start=15 MG No doubt in my mind M.G., it's going to take a "not of this world" being to ... (1), enlighten our Sp...
by Swampbilly
Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:05 am
Forum: Training
Topic: tug o war
Replies: 176
Views: 38922

Re: tug o war

A puppy that will "give," is set up to be a great dog. Not training a puppy the basics just leads to a lot of needless ear-pinching later on. Not the smart play. Bill There's no such thing as "needless ear pinching" , you're pressure conditioning the dog whether it knows how to "give" or has "the b...
by Swampbilly
Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:14 am
Forum: Training
Topic: force fetch questio
Replies: 17
Views: 4172

Re: force fetch questio

At my dog trainers advise, i started my first gun dog on force fetch about 2 weeks ago. We are at the hold stage. When he was made to be still and hold it was a struggle like he was bored but we got threw that. Now that he is moving around the table he seems to be more consistant with it. Not dropp...
by Swampbilly
Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:32 am
Forum: Training
Topic: force fetch questio
Replies: 17
Views: 4172

Re: force fetch questio

I'm a bit confused with the walking around on the table part? Uh huh..same here. Does sound like there is some progress, but the dog should not be moving about the table at will whenever he feels like it. FETCH is a command..it's non-negotiable, and the dog SITS there (another non-negotiable), unti...
by Swampbilly
Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:27 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: tug o war
Replies: 176
Views: 38922

Re: tug o war

Can think of a whooole lot of other more meaningful ways to build confidence in a pup and bond with it, than to ask pup to DROP an object, reach for it , and then wind up in a tug o war. "No good reason to stop" doing it? Yes there is- Because it's silly to go on the notion that it is some kind of "...
by Swampbilly
Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:18 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Field Obedience?
Replies: 13
Views: 2960

Re: Field Obedience?

What are some ways to improve my pups recall and whoa whenever i say it? I plan on running him in field trials next year(coverdog mostly) and he is almost 6mo english setter. I don't want to have to always be calling him in while we are out "hunting" but are actually trying to get him on birds for ...
by Swampbilly
Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:48 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Lab Line training cold blinds
Replies: 12
Views: 3073

Re: Lab Line training cold blinds

We do lots of diversions in are training I run him through all of his hunt tests he could pass his Master hunt test except for were still working on the following barrel 8/10 times he gets it but waiting till its prefect before i pay the money for the test he just turned 2 so not really in a big hu...
by Swampbilly
Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:18 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Lab Line training cold blinds
Replies: 12
Views: 3073

Re: Lab Line training cold blinds

You apparently are not using diversions in training. Start on a visual pattern field. Run hin through the legs of the sight blind. Now add a gunner and a mark. Let him pick up the mark, then run the blinds. Now, throw and shoot the mark, but don't let him pick it up. Run the blinds instead and have...
by Swampbilly
Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:40 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: How to reclaim my bed?
Replies: 23
Views: 9432

Re: How to reclaim my bed?

greg jacobs wrote:Kingsize bed. Then he doubles as a bedwarmer, alarm clock, and birth control method. :wink:
Have read some dang good threads in my short time on this planet, but this up there^^^^^^^....
THAT'S FUNNY, don't care who 'ya are....
ROTFLMHINEYO
:mrgreen:
by Swampbilly
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:02 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Retrieving drive is low
Replies: 19
Views: 6112

Re: Retrieving drive is low

Neil wrote:That has not been my experience with FF'd dogs.
Respectfully-
Not sure what kind of problen we have here, unless there's a misconception that perhaps you feel that the attributes of FF' were somehow downplayed on this end.
They weren't.
As to your post-
I understand.
Comes as no surprise.
by Swampbilly
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:33 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Retrieving drive is low
Replies: 19
Views: 6112

Re: Retrieving drive is low

lt may be that the rascal has learned that if she doesn't retrieve bumpers, you'll throw feathers for her. Sometimes once they taste feathers they don't want to go back to canvas or plastic. Is the dog from good breeding? If so, I doubt you have anything to worry about. She's still a baby now, but ...
by Swampbilly
Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:57 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Retrieving drive is low
Replies: 19
Views: 6112

Re: Retrieving drive is low

I have a 5.5 month old yellow lab female and I can't get her on bumpers, but when we go to the lake to train she will retrieve the heck out of bumpers and dummies from the water, but not land. She retrieves the heck out of feathers on land and brings them back to hand but just won't retrieve anythi...
by Swampbilly
Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:31 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Ecollar Obedience and Force Fetch
Replies: 38
Views: 10583

Re: Ecollar Obedience and Force Fetch

[CDN_Cocker"]I don't believe in using continuous for anything, that's just too much pressure. A quick nick is all that is required to get a dog's attention. Am assuming you don't train Retrievers( labs) thru a complete FF'ch program. (Respectfully) No I do not train labs you are correct. For my pur...
by Swampbilly
Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:17 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Ecollar Obedience and Force Fetch
Replies: 38
Views: 10583

Re: Ecollar Obedience and Force Fetch

[CDN_Cocker"]I don't believe in using continuous for anything, that's just too much pressure. A quick nick is all that is required to get a dog's attention.
Am assuming you don't train Retrievers( labs) thru a complete FF'ch program.
(Respectfully)
by Swampbilly
Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:25 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Alternative for the Prong Collar
Replies: 21
Views: 6711

Re: Alternative for the Prong Collar

I find it surprising you guys can fully evaluate a tool from a photo and a brief description. I recommend it and have wondered why it was not marketed. Neil Git what you're saying Neil - Respectfully, I'd wonder how many would be able to employ some kind of decently timed command for the pup to ass...
by Swampbilly
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:31 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: SHould i say fetch?
Replies: 19
Views: 4346

Re: SHould i say fetch?

^^^What Gonehuntin' said! (And the trainer) A little tid bit- Watch your voice inflection and volume, then log it in the mental Rolodex. Be conscientious on short and long marks. You don't need to "yell" the dogs' name on marks that are right there in his face 10-20yds away. If you start off "big" t...
by Swampbilly
Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:40 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: weaning off rewards and collar condition
Replies: 41
Views: 11232

Re: weaning off rewards and collar condition

Treats are ok as long as 'ya don't overdo it. If you have to wean pup off of treats, it's my personal belief you've overdosed :wink: Doesn't matter one way or a 'nuther because before it's all over with,treats or no treats, you're going to have to change those "want to's into have to's. It's just no...
by Swampbilly
Fri May 22, 2015 6:31 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Force Fetch question
Replies: 11
Views: 3520

Re: Force Fetch question

Choking up too far with your hand on the object when you're holding it can cause the dog to go for the end. Make sure you give the dog "enough bumper" to take.
by Swampbilly
Thu May 14, 2015 9:35 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Force Fetch question
Replies: 11
Views: 3520

Re: Force Fetch question

Some folks don't worry about cigaring, but if pup is continually dropping bumpers I'd try to narrow the troubleshooting down.
Try a wooden training buck-
Wooden blocks on the end, and wooden dowel in the center.
The design has it as such that pup HAS to pick it up in the center.
by Swampbilly
Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:02 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Advice on retriever training
Replies: 7
Views: 2196

Re: Advice on retriever training

mnaj_springer wrote:Lots of birds. Lots and lots of birds. Build that prey drive before getting too formal. They will also build her confidence.
*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding! ^^^Winner^^^ 8)
Give her some live clipped winged to chase.
by Swampbilly
Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:20 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Back to your original question(s)- I'm wondering how folks here train for long marks (over 60 yards, for all intents and purposes). I'm especially interested in how people do so without a training partner present. Would consider getting some concepts on the table. You keep giving pup long marks ALL...
by Swampbilly
Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Back to your original question(s)- I'm wondering how folks here train for long marks (over 60 yards, for all intents and purposes). I'm especially interested in how people do so without a training partner present. Would consider getting some concepts on the table. You keep giving pup long marks ALL...
by Swampbilly
Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:40 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Back to your original question(s)- I'm wondering how folks here train for long marks (over 60 yards, for all intents and purposes). I'm especially interested in how people do so without a training partner present. Would consider getting some concepts on the table. You keep giving pup long marks ALL ...
by Swampbilly
Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:37 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Your dog is not looking out or marking downfield because bumpers simply don't make it "downfield" coming from your side hand thrown. Hopefully your dog is watching and looking at the bumper when it leaves your hand and stays focused on it even after it hits the ground, ( whether beside you or not)....
by Swampbilly
Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:58 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Nuthin' in the world wrong with a set up that'll get pup to check in, but you're interested, ( if I read right) in enhancing pups marking skills. You want your dog to trust it's eyes . , not so much relying on it's nose to find marks in a featureless field with no cover. If it were me, I'd not worry...
by Swampbilly
Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:29 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Long Marks- How to train
Replies: 51
Views: 24068

Re: Long Marks- How to train

Polmaise, I already stated I'm unwilling to pay for a launcher. There's no speculation necessary. Perhaps you don't realize how little a hand held launcher costs? They are an exceptionally good way to teach marking because: 1) By varying the loads, you can vary the distance the bumper flies. 2) You...
by Swampbilly
Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:06 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Help with the hand off
Replies: 7
Views: 1677

Re: Help with the hand off

Dogs that don't quite understand all the mechanics of a hand delivery will, upon approaching the handler on a return, "bobble" an object in it's mouth in preparation to release it- ...where ever it wants to.
Five commands come to mind-
HERE, (and then HEEL by your side and SIT),
HOLD
&
DROP.
by Swampbilly
Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:17 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pup is bad on leash
Replies: 25
Views: 8635

Re: Pup is bad on leash

Explain the stake out to me please. I have a prong collar i may try it to see how she reaponds. But if that dont get ill do the stake. Pound a stake into the ground with a thick chain leash . Tie the dog to it. Go in the house. Let the dog learn that he can't win over the leash, so might as well gi...
by Swampbilly
Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:54 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Crunching help
Replies: 33
Views: 7642

Re: Crunching help

Dog has been collared trained. FF went great and I did it myself with a help from some trainers. I haven't used any collar pressure yet but I have thought of it to stop the crunching. [/b] No (NO!!) Don't think of that anymore. If anything - Re-enforce HERE on a return in an effort to take away tim...
by Swampbilly
Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:09 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Crunching help
Replies: 33
Views: 7642

Re: Crunching help

Dog has been through ff and has been doing great but recently he has been playing with birds and started crunching birds on the retrieve. Any ideas how to fix this. I have taken a step backwards and re did ff but It only fixed the playing with birds and not the crunching. He has always been a soft ...