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by Soarer31
Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:48 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: new to gun dog training. need advice.
Replies: 71
Views: 31508

Re: new to gun dog training. need advice.

Agree.. You don't teach the sit command cause there's no use for it in your trials... Any dog sitting on point in any trial anywhere will get hooked So in countries where the vast majority train the ""sit"" would be more prevalent with dogs sitting on point??...if that's the case there would be a lo...
by Soarer31
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:49 am
Forum: Training
Topic: new to gun dog training. need advice.
Replies: 71
Views: 31508

Re: new to gun dog training. need advice.

Bingo ...."", traditionally " ""Pointers don't like water"" ""Pointers don't like to retrieve "" All wives tales Ray.... Example; Say only you trained a pointer to heel( nothing else) So by your way of thinking .... the dog will come to heel if under perceived pressure while on point????? Now that'...
by Soarer31
Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:55 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: new to gun dog training. need advice.
Replies: 71
Views: 31508

Re: new to gun dog training. need advice.

Bingo ...."", traditionally " ""Pointers don't like water"" ""Pointers don't like to retrieve "" All wives tales Ray.... Example; Say only you trained a pointer to heel( nothing else) So by your way of thinking .... the dog will come to heel if under perceived pressure while on point????? Now that's...
by Soarer31
Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:28 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: new to gun dog training. need advice.
Replies: 71
Views: 31508

Re: new to gun dog training. need advice.

I got no problem with FACTS Any dog under hard pressure will crouch, loom lay on its belly regardless if it's trained to sit or not And what's this ""safe place"" you on about? The sit command is no different to; Whoe, Come, Stay Heel Fetch Roll over and play dead And what pressure do you apply on a...
by Soarer31
Tue May 31, 2016 9:30 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: new to gun dog training. need advice.
Replies: 71
Views: 31508

Re: new to gun dog training. need advice.

I agree with Ray. Why teach something that has proven to be a problem for some when it is not necessary? I have never found a need to teach a dog to sit. My dogs stand as well as sit and as CJ pointed out the sit command is taught to make the dog stay down or just to stay put and that has never bee...
by Soarer31
Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:37 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Video: Pointer Cued to Flush the Bird Then STF
Replies: 12
Views: 7437

Re: Video: Pointer Cued to Flush the Bird Then STF

Elkhunter wrote:I have no problem strolling in front of my dog to flush birds. :)
Point , flush , retrieve....
Anything short of that is a cop-out
You are stealing the dogs thunder! :D
by Soarer31
Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:31 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Video: Pointer Cued to Flush the Bird Then STF
Replies: 12
Views: 7437

Re: Video: Pointer Cued to Flush the Bird Then STF

Hi Brad, I also have my dogs flush on command. I use a vocal command or a whistled command though and not a visual one because , depending upon where I approach the point from, the dog may not be able to see me. Bill T. X2 I also use flush command voice only ""getem!!!""....might have to repeat two...
by Soarer31
Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:26 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Second thoughts
Replies: 17
Views: 7880

Re: Second thoughts

Yes there is a substitute , more or less, GSPs and varies hunting dogs thrive in this game

.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U42Vf89MBxI
by Soarer31
Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:52 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whistle training help
Replies: 23
Views: 7954

Re: Whistle training help

Not hard to do at all :D "TOOOOOT! - FIDO COME! - TOOOOOOT!" Rinse and repeat until he gets it. "TOOT TOOT! WHOA! TOOT TOOT! Rinse and repeat until he gets it. Be aware that if you're doing your dog thing ( hunting or games) around other whistlers, it can get confusing. They can recall or whoa your...
by Soarer31
Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Was it you? :)
Replies: 11
Views: 6474

Re: Was it you? :)

by Soarer31
Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:42 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: What is a Problem
Replies: 39
Views: 11635

Re: What is a Problem

How do I check my oil level Neil ? My puppy is on 'favourite stuff' protein level recommended food and doing great! He does run off now and then but I'm thinking of progressing to Field trials. Any suggestions on how to control his exuberance? He is great off lead when he is doing what he likes wha...
by Soarer31
Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:49 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: What is a Problem
Replies: 39
Views: 11635

Re: What is a Problem

Interesting thread, This is a Gun Dog Forum and you get newbies coming on here that are not only new to Gun Dogs,but new to owning a dog !...so they're basically jumping in the deep end and end up with major problems Maybe there needs to be a sub forum for total beginners where questions are asked l...
by Soarer31
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:07 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Relocating or going in on the flush
Replies: 57
Views: 27356

Re: Relocating or going in on the flush

No issue if the dog creeps, he'll learn from trial and error how far to push it, sure in the beginning he'll bump birds , might take one whole season to work it out .I myself never interfere (attempt to correct, train),in the field leave that job for the birds.
by Soarer31
Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:51 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Relocating or going in on the flush
Replies: 57
Views: 27356

Re: Relocating or going in on the flush

Ha, ha , Sharon ,
So you think these dogs don't bring home the bacon?

.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc2qZnYjbw8
by Soarer31
Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:56 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Relocating or going in on the flush
Replies: 57
Views: 27356

Re: Relocating or going in on the flush

Creeping and circling on birds that are not moving means the dog wants to see them fly. If you want your dog steady, take him back to the yard and the checkcord and pigeons and help him clean up his act. I don't much like the word "hammering" as it pertains to a young dog that hasn't been taught to...
by Soarer31
Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:01 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whoa the dog or let him chase?
Replies: 26
Views: 10689

Re: Whoa the dog or let him chase?

The only training that needs to be done is the "stop to flush and fall" and the retrieve if the dog is not a natural retriever
JMO
by Soarer31
Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:54 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whoa the dog or let him chase?
Replies: 26
Views: 10689

Re: Whoa the dog or let him chase?

20 months. Gsp male. He is whoa broke. He has had at least 25 pheasants shot over him. Starting on quail now. Getting bumpy. Am I correct in saying that he has no problems with pheasant but with wild quail keeps on running in and bumping?? For what it's worth I'd keep on taking him out on wild quai...
by Soarer31
Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:50 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field
Replies: 21
Views: 8261

Re: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field

Ray,Shags,
That was very informative thanks, do you train that "high and tight " for the "whoa"?
And would a "high and tight"dog be more desirable in the judges eyes over the so called "classic style" with all else been equal in field trials?
by Soarer31
Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:59 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field
Replies: 21
Views: 8261

Re: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field

[quote="shags"]Manufacture a point? How would one go about that? quote]

Well I've seen plenty of pics with dogs that are high on both ends... Don't think that's a coincidence
Looks man made to me rather than a dogs individual style

But would that be in the breeding?
by Soarer31
Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:56 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field
Replies: 21
Views: 8261

Re: VIDEO: The Higgins Method: Back to the Field

Very easy solution...instead of sit, teach wait (stand still). There isn't anything you can do with the dog sitting that you can't do with the dog on wait (he's standing still). Some folks think wait - or whatever you choose to say that will mean stand still - is a waste and use whoa instead, but i...
by Soarer31
Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:48 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Quail issues, bumping
Replies: 10
Views: 4870

Re: Quail issues, bumping

Quote/:
""For the record this is an 20 month old shorthair that does wonders on pheasant. Rock solid points normally not pressuring the bird.""

IMO i would give that dog a lot more exposure on quail before I start messing around with a CC,
let hem work it out, you said his rock solid on pheasant !
by Soarer31
Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:24 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: tug o war
Replies: 176
Views: 116635

Re: tug o war

I've used tug o war play training for pups for this....

.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQuPLfMlhY
by Soarer31
Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:44 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: house dog
Replies: 32
Views: 14740

Re: house dog

In almost a half century of living with hunting dogs and other than the occasional crating of a pup or sick dog in the mudroom, I've never allowed a dog to live in the house. My in laws have two lap dogs that run around their house all day and sleep in their bed. Frankly, all that business grosses ...
by Soarer31
Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:52 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Running and barking at strangers?
Replies: 19
Views: 10090

Re: Running and barking at strangers?

When you go to the beach again FIRST walk the dog on leash amongst the strangers for a good 10min or so then move aways some then release the dog
by Soarer31
Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:44 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: stapler?
Replies: 13
Views: 5047

Re: stapler?

Super glue is very affective on certain wounds , I've even used it on myself a couple of times
by Soarer31
Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:02 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?
Replies: 38
Views: 17179

Re: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?

the only ones I know that can cure "hard mouth" are the breeders
by Soarer31
Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:58 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?
Replies: 38
Views: 17179

Re: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?

IMO there is no need to FF PROVIDED you start at "play fetch " with a 8 week old pup Heck in my early 20 "s had 2 Dobermans , as a party trick I trained them to fetch my smokes, matches and car keys from the dinning room table Having nothing against FF I used it myself on my latest pointer because I...
by Soarer31
Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:50 am
Forum: Training
Topic: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?
Replies: 38
Views: 17179

Re: To Force Fetch or Not to Force Fetch?

Timewise65 wrote:The worst dogs I have ever hunted with were not Force Fetched! That includes some flushers, some pointers, and some retrievers.....!
Just choked on my coffee...
by Soarer31
Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:55 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Pointer's first season
Replies: 24
Views: 11333

Re: Pointer's first season

Lot of different opinions here,
I'm in the group of shooting flushed, bumped or pointerd birds,as for "chasing" first year I pretty much let them chase all they like, but the second season I stop them with the whistle ,
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:03 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Barbed Wire
Replies: 12
Views: 6540

Re: Barbed Wire

Yep,
half buried star picket barbed wire fence , a week before this he fell down a 10 metre mine shaft , my son had to harness up and lower him down using the SUV winch , the dog was miraculously unscathed !
.
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: New owner of a GSP
Replies: 8
Views: 3964

Re: New owner of a GSP

Sharon is right....
"You need a hard hat and a bullet proof vest"
Here's a couple of volleys ...
What level of obedience did you have your choc lab at 10 weeks of age?
Please tell us
by Soarer31
Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:25 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Let's Try this Again...Pointer Questions
Replies: 35
Views: 27066

Re: Let's Try this Again...Pointer Questions

[quote="seiowa"]Thanks all for the great and varied responses!

Maybe I should clarify a few things so it doesn't look like I'm asking for a three quarter ton truck that has to get over 40 mpg...

Have a good day

Edited to remove material that was not constructive to the topic.

Ezzy
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:41 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog Steadiers
Replies: 37
Views: 15563

Re: Dog Steadiers

Robert, I think before we go any further though we have to decide the definition of "good breeding". 'one man's cloth' ? I agree, but ..the 'theme' on the thread is 'Breeding' ?..and 'Breeding' get's the results ?..But what results? and to whom or who ?.. Give me a Field trial champion and I'll rui...
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:47 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog Steadiers
Replies: 37
Views: 15563

Re: Dog Steadiers

"Breed for the best, train for the rest." is my way of looking at things. I like the breeder to have done a large part of the work for me when he/she decided which dog to put to which bitch. I don't have the inclination and probably not the ability to train a pup that is short on Hunt- Point - Retr...
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:00 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog Steadiers
Replies: 37
Views: 15563

Re: Dog Steadiers

The only training I do is.... Come on command- voice / whistle Turn-voice/whistle Stop-voice/whistle Flush on command With retrieving,I start with the pup at 8-10 weeks old by throwing a rolled up sock playing retrieving games in the coridoor in my house and as months go by I progress outside and a ...
by Soarer31
Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:10 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog Steadiers
Replies: 37
Views: 15563

Re: Dog Steadiers

Sometimes it works that way and sometimes it doesn't. I have found it is sometime necessary to help dogs understand how to do things. Too bad they aren't smarter than we are and can learn with out help but they just aren't. We have pups that pretty much figure it out on their own but there are also...
by Soarer31
Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:41 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Intro to Gun
Replies: 17
Views: 6545

Re: Intro to Gun

What's your hurry?????
Go back to 100 , till no reaction, and mix it up with the 209 and shoty
by Soarer31
Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:25 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: FF for Pointer?
Replies: 28
Views: 16504

Re: FF for Pointer?

Well I can tell beginners with pointers aren't welcome on this site. Probably my last post for that reason. This question WAS serious. I have never owned a true pointer before, only more versatiles like Weims GSPs etc that retrieve fairly naturally. I didn't know English Pointers had a natural retr...
by Soarer31
Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:36 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF for Pointer?
Replies: 28
Views: 16504

Re: FF for Pointer?

Troll
by Soarer31
Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Handling Fur
Replies: 4
Views: 3051

Re: Handling Fur

In our field trials rabbits and hare are considerd fair game, if the dog breaks and gives chase the dog is disqualified whether it be versatile field trials or pointer & setter trials
by Soarer31
Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:35 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: World Championships ?
Replies: 11
Views: 5107

Re: World Championships ?

I have recently heard that for the first time Britain is sending an official team of pointing dogs to this years World Championships to be held in Serbia in October. I think this event is maybe restricted to pointers and setters but I could be wrong. My question is this.......How can this trial be ...
by Soarer31
Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Trouble locating shot birds.
Replies: 23
Views: 11107

Re: Trouble locating shot birds.

How can that be??
You say ... Dog breaks on the flush ?.... and yet the dog doesn't see where the bird falls??
Is the dog searching for the bird?
May be the dog gets distracted from the gun blast causing the dog to take its eyes off the falling bird?
by Soarer31
Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:21 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Shortening Up a Big Running Bird dog
Replies: 26
Views: 9751

Re: Shortening Up a Big Running Bird dog

The key here is is the whistle commands and hand signals
To turn left,right
To whoa/stop
To come in
Then distance is irrelevant
by Soarer31
Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:14 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Teaching Sit to Pointing Breeds
Replies: 32
Views: 18925

Re: Teaching Sit to Pointing Breeds

What's seems to to be problem????
.
by Soarer31
Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: What's everyone's idealistic dog?
Replies: 38
Views: 14597

Re: What's everyone's idealistic dog?

IMO the "idealistic dog " =" Dual field trial Champion" :D
by Soarer31
Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:34 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Post dogs on Point!!!!
Replies: 738
Views: 738056

Re: Post dogs on Point!!!!

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by Soarer31
Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:48 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Hunting a broke dog with unbroken dog
Replies: 32
Views: 12038

Re: Hunting a broke dog with unbroken dog

I do it all the time...
.but only while training the unbroke though :wink:
by Soarer31
Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:13 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Won't retrieve birds
Replies: 30
Views: 15689

Re: Won't retrieve birds

Attach a few feathers to the bumpers , then increase the amount of feathers , then attach wings , then a dead bird
by Soarer31
Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:07 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Early retriever training
Replies: 19
Views: 8775

Re: Early retriever training

I would never, ever, take a pup off live birds UNLESS he started eating them. The dog is going to be a bird dog, not a bumper dog. Key is, keep him on a nylon 1/8" long cord so you can GENTLY reel him in to you with the bird and not let him play with it. With a pup the most important things you can...
by Soarer31
Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:54 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Early retriever training
Replies: 19
Views: 8775

Re: Early retriever training

At that age I'd be using the corridor method then the CC on bumpers only ,when the dog is proficient at retrieving to hand... then dead birds , would not be using live game at that age that's for sure ,to many things can go wrong So, you don't think it's not a good idea to get him flushing pigeons ...