Gun Dog Forum

Thanks for all the good guidance. The reason why I ask about planting pigeons is because I can't find any Chukar this time of year until the bird hunting preserve season starts in the autumn. And I want to get out in the woods with this 1 year old pup to train as we will be hunting ruffed grouse in ...

What is the best way to plant a pigeon for a flushing dog where the bird will stay put for the dog to find it without flying off too soon, and not be dizzied so much that the dog catches it?


Vernal Pike

Use a machete on the bloke.

Right Sharon, Starting a pup on pheasants or even pigeons, could flap in the face and cause injury to the eye or frighten the young'un. Traditional "Whoa" training ruined my setter after 3 months with a well respected "Pro". So I wouldn't recommend any technique other than the Higgins method and tha...

Sharon,

You can't use GPS in Canada?
Please explain

This vid will help you.
Pull a few feathers out of a quail and let your pup bump and chase and catch some birds.


https://vimeo.com/56924329

I have never seen Brad do anything very bad since he does things about like a lot of us do. And it seems to be working for him just like it does for the rest of us. Ezzy Ezzy, you don't do things the way Brad does, so don't put yourself in his class. You aren't even close. Don, I'd say that you are...

I have never seen Brad do anything very bad since he does things about like a lot of us do. And it seems to be working for him just like it does for the rest of us. Ezzy Ezzy, you don't do things the way Brad does, so don't put yourself in his class. You aren't even close. Don, I'd say that you are...

If the pheasants run your dog will know before you. Allow him the freedom to move, pin the bird and repoint.

"Pointing Labs" is an oxymoron. Kind of like "gay marriage". It doesn't make any sense! Labs are to flush and retrieve. If a lab doesn't have the aptitude to retrieve then it is poorly bred. It needs to find a new home and be a family pet. Maybe it will fetch a tennis ball. Please, give the dog a li...

Obviously you have not read Meisterfeld yet.

This book is the answer to your problem.

http://www.amazon.com/Jelly-Bean-versus ... eisterfeld

. I can't even believe people continue this crap about trial bred dogs not being "bird dogs" get a grip. You might want to reread the opening post written by Brad Harter. FT pointing dogs are bird dogs but maybe not as good "hunting bird dogs" according to the research in the op. That's not my opin...

It's hard for people to accept that the world is round when they're convinced it's flat.

Observation written by Brad Harter. http://www.fieldtrialpointers.net/amesbirds.html I've been away from the computer but have enjoyed reading all of the comments concerning the bird situation at Ames. Many of you have touched on what I feel is a multitude simple to have just one or two factors that...

cjhills wrote: Second, I have never believed that dogs hold or manage birds.........................Cj

When a dog learns to make a wide circle on a running pheasant in order to pin the bird between it and the gun, the dog has managed the bird.

RayGubernat wrote:


A dog will hunt for its master because it must. But a dog will hunt WITH a friend and pack mate...because it WANTS to. Ideally, we can be both master AND friend.

RayG

Excellent!

When should we allow the dog to learn to correct itself, versus us correcting him? Vernal Pike The word "correct" above has a different meaning each time it was used. The first "correct" means the dog changing on its own to do the right thing. The second "correct", as it related to the handler, mea...

The Point is that I have experience with other types of heal training.
Irregardless of the technique, this leash design has been by far the easiest to use.
Thank you Mr. Perfict for correctiing my spelling of Vishla.
People here are meen. I won't come here anymore


Vernal

I was curious more about how polished of a dog you may get the longer you work within the Higgins System. Using field trials as a basis because I know what a champion looks like and hunts like.. How about a perfect NAVHDA score! Click the link below. http://higginsgundogs.com/forum/higgins-gundogs-...

I don't think that she would be good for hunters The current director of our federal fish and wildlife department is an anti hunting, anti gun environmentalist, at least that's what Ted Nugent said on Fridays "The Dana Radio Show". It would be good to get back more CRP that has been put back into cr...

What are your thoughts on Hillary Clinton?

Use the Higging technique. Worked great for my Setter. A lot easier than the Visla in the vid. Got the leash from Higgims on the web site. I've done AKC obedience stuff. I have experience. The Higgins leash is the best by far. So easy! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I3FEQcCY1E0 http://higginsgundogs.c...

Same or different?

NEhomer wrote:Ok thanks. Although I don't think I'll stake out an 8 week old puppy in below zero temps!

At about what age? realizing that each pup's different of course.

This spring will be fine.
For now let the pup drag a leash or rope around once in awhile.

What technique did you use to train him?

Vernal Pike

I understand you are a fan boy of Higgins ,Vernal Pike . I don't understand your visceral attack toward Higgins. It was impolite. To let you know, I have never personally met Brad Higgins, nor have I ever trained any of my dogs with his technique. But I can't argue with his results nor his satisfie...

whatsnext wrote:


You two are missing my point about terrain and a dog's method of search, I want a dog to run edge's and hunt objective's not quarter in front of me.



http://youtu.be/sv8x8WzoHY4

Your dog quarters very nicely!

Best,

Vernal

When should we allow the dog to learn to correct itself, versus us correcting him?


Vernal Pike

Higgins wrote:

WOW,

Is that one cool looking dog!



Vernal Pike

Mr. Higgins, Thanks for looking up the old vid and posting the new. I look forward to seeing the old one. Hope you find it. Also, to Hustonmc, is was nice to know how your Weimaraner ended up. In learning of dog training on this here forum, I think that I may have inadvertently taught my Weimaraner ...

Mr.Higgins,

Would you please put up this video again?
I used to have a Weimaraner that had no desire to find birds. But she loved to retrieve. In fact she got excited only when the gun went boom because that was her que to get a bird. Wonderful house pet though.

Video is not there.
Would you please boot it up again?


Thanks,

Vernal