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Trying to plan a trip this fall to get Nick into some wild birds. Would like to try Kansas and or Missouri or open to other suggestions. I need help finding info on public land access for self guided hunting. Any info greatly appreciated.

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I’m not too far from you and I get mine from Vicks game birds in Oneonta Alabama. Good healthy strong flying birds. 205 589 6416. Would be probably 3 maybe 4 hours from you. I’m in nw Alabama

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How much would shipping be to Alabama.?

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We are just past hold and jowl pinch and starting with ear pinch. When pinch is applied he readily opens his mouth and takes the buck but im having trouble getting him to reach for it. I know this is a critical step and I dont want to cause a train wreck. I dont think he is being obstinate I dont th...

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Hoping to share a short vid clip of our progress. Ive resized x3 because said file to large so no idea what ive ended up with. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5eaf8914b5d ... 852451.mp4

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For the benefit of my wife and or anyone else who might think that poor Nick is being mistreated during the training process Im updating this pic that I took shortly after we came in from this mornings session. You can all see that he does not appear traumanized or stressed about things. https://upl...

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Thank you to everyone who took time to offer help and suggestions. One thing I have always loved about the real bird dog people that I have the pleasure of knowing is their willingness to take the time to help others who are trying to do things the right way. Progress wise we are making progress. Ni...

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Bammer, here's my guess and please, don't hesitate to be critical of my suggestion. You mentioned your dog has already been run/hunted. You mentioned he has been through one hunting/trialing season and "did well". Am I to guess he did retrieve at that time OR he was allowed not to retrieve (you wou...

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I did start him early in a long hallway and or lane in the yard. Kept it fun and he did well. When we started on birds on check cord I even let him go get the tethered bird if he held steady. He did well with that also. When we started working birds off lead and the tethered bird fell or if I shot a...

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I realize discomfort is part of the process. What I meant was that at the hold stage I don’t want to physically clamp down on his mouth and cause unnecessary pain from having his lips and jowls pinched and bitten at this stage.

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Im in the trained retrieve force fetch whatever name you use with my 16 mo old English setter. He has been through one hunting trialing season and did well. Loves to hunt and hunts hard. Will hunt dead birds but once he locates it he thinks its tome to go find another live one and I can just pick up...

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Im not familiar with smart fetch method but I am with trained retrieve ff by whatever name. Reading your description of your issue I dont really think you have an issue. At the hold stage the goal is to get the dog to hold. How you get it in her mouth isnt the part youre working on yet. Once the dog...

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Nick is a Tricky "bleep" line dog with shadow oak bo on his mothers side. And he is only a little bit spoiled. Lol

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I have seen a couple of posts by folks looking for others to train with. I am not by any means a pro trainer but I have been "fooling" with bird dogs most of my life. I am blessed to have some land to have room to work with dogs, a johnny house, a pigeon loft and various other training tools ie trai...

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Had a really good day today. I have been working with some of the methods shared ie process of flush stop and shot stop allowing the flush and the shot become "whoa" prompts then going back to working planted birds. Other than a little adjustment in place to keep the flushing bird in sight he is rea...

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He is a good looking rascal when it all comes together. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202001 ... 56a5d4.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202001 ... 9aafa9.jpg[/IMG]

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Makes sense. Thank you for sharing.

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Thanks for the input everyone. The program would say basically back up a step more reps till were sure he gets it then move forward being sure each step is secure before building on it. I have a remote release and will sure give that idea a try. Ive been using tip up releases because the remote rele...

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Nick is now 14 months old and is handling birds pretty well. We have been working on steady to wing and shot for a while. Im not on a time line of any kind understanding "it takes as long as it takes". Lately Im beginning to get the feeling that not only does he get it but that he is now deciding wh...

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I attended a couple of training seminars with Rick Smith. He said it as simply and accurately as Ive ever heard. "It takes as long as it takes." I really dont think there is an end point. Think about a football player. When is he "trained"? Well great highschool players still practice and learn. Gre...

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I use 3 sizes of steel tubing where each slides into the other so it telescopes. I can compress it when not using then pull out stick in cpl pins and go. Ive tried both round and square. The round bent up very quickly but the square is holding up great. I have bungee at the connection to the harness...

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The yelling and hollaring wasn’t bad at all. I’m starting to understand some of it. Not sure if I will ever incorporate it into my method of handling but I can see some advantage to some vocalizing to let my dog know where I am without having to stop and look or loop back to be sure I’m not lost. I ...

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I just love these kinds of pics. I think they show the true strengths of the dogs instincts. You know things were less than perfect maybe wind or moving birds or whatever but the instinct is so strong that they still lock up. Beautiful.

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Nick ran in the NBHA open derby on Friday and finished 2nd out of 8 dogs. He placed 3rd in the amateur derby on Saturday. Hunted and ran hard. Stayed out front for the most part. Had 2 finds each day with stylish points. Broke a little on the flush a cpl times but all around I was thrilled with his ...

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Love that point in the water! That is some amazing instincts.

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Nick locked up.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201912 ... e82d00.jpg[/IMG]

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Thanks to everyone for your responses and input. I think Ray G explained it so that it makes sense to me. If the dog can hear you he doesnt have to look for you and he gets far enough away that he cant hear you he kinda comes back in some until he can. The first issue I ran into was that what the br...

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I enjoy the peace and quiet of being out with a bird dog. As I have finally matured a little I have learned that from me trainer wise less is often more. I try more and more to bite my tongue and as one of the wisest old trainers once told me “hush son, let the dog do what you brought him to do.” Th...

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We have switched from pigeons to quail training wise. Getting ready to move up to derby division nbha. Working on steady to wing and shot with blank pistol. Nick is a year old will retrieve some when he feels like it. Planning to do trained retrieve this summer. So early on with quail i used tip up ...

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Got this funny pic of Nick with a wrap around point. The wind was whipping around and he had come in from the wrong side on this bird. I think these are some of the most amazing points where the dog just locks up in some crazy position. Its a testament to how strong the pointing instinct is. Lets se...

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Got this beautiful point from Nick other day. Great sunset point.

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I enjoy the field trials and in my area at least they have birds. Otherwise its buy birds and create my own or pay to hunt a preserve. One of the things I’ve always been frustrated by in trials is that some of the things they judge on just don’t make sense for what a real bird dog should be doing. I...

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Nick is a year old. Finding and pointing planted birds well. We are working on steady to wing and shot. He is pretty well broke to whoa. We have used barrel whoa board etc. When we started on steady i used the barrel and launched pigeon then board then ground. Then using pigeon pole with barrell the...

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Just dont spoil them lolol.

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I’ve had both in the house. To some extent in my experience any dog with spaniel in its name has been hyper. The setters I’ve had tend to be more laid back. Less barking etc.

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I use the roading harness going back and forth to our training grounds. He can get some strength and cardio work in and it helps to let him unwind a little also. He loves to go and is usually wound pretty tight when we start so roading him out there rather than putting him in the dog box seems to he...

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I also use the hunt smith method. The point of contact on the flank is solely for whoa which i think causes less confusion early on. Once pup "gets it" then it all transfers to the neck just as a reminder. Plus if pup forgets which they all do sometimes. You can quickly go to hslf hitch on flank or ...

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A few years ago I went a hunt smith seminar with Rick Smith. I really like their program. The point of contact on the flank is strictly for whoa during early training. It helps to avoid confusion with the point of contact at the neck. Once it’s established then we can transition to just the collar o...

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Nick just turned one.This week he had his first full point, hold, steady to flush and steady to shot. He has run a cpl of puppy division trials and he is almost ready for derby. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191110/70244a26799233b9edcc6a18ee6ad562.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191110/9...

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As trial and hunting season get closer I realize that I really need to update and refill my dog first aid kit. What items do you consider to be must have items for a field trial or hunting dog first aid kit? I am in Alabama and plan to trial and hunt in the SE US. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

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Bill Moore at Tricky "bleep" Kennels in Selmer TN. I have had a couple of dogs from this bloodline and they are excellent dogs. Lots of field trial dogs. Walking. Nstra etc. Pic of my current 9 mo old. Tricky "bleep"'s Bama Nick https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190828/0b088a61ea98e7fe9d2b243ce85a6...

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I hit send before I meant to. When we take Nick places, yes he travels all over with us, I am very surprised how many people have no idea what breed of dog he is. He has been called a long haired Dalmatian, a cross between something and a blue tick hound and various types of spaniels. To someone who...

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Well I love my English Setter! [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201908 ... 801f41.jpg[/IMG]

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More pics of my rig.

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Mine isnt utv but atv. I have used several different configurations and have settled on a system that can go on the front rack either or both sides with a removable extension pole. Here is what i have currently on phone cam ill make some more pics this afternoon https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2019...

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Just my .02 but unless you are very careful and very certain about where your pigeons come from youre asking for potential trouble. Pigeons are well known for carrying diseases and could easily spread things to the game birds. If youre gonna shoot whatever you put out not a biggie but if you liberat...

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Curious for ideas on what kind of pointing dog training other folks do in the summertime when its oppressivly hot and humid? Im in Alabama so dont try to tell me about "dry heat" somewhere. I dont really have many options to go north but if i could find birds on public land somewhere north i might m...

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Ok here is a pic of what I’m referring to. Growing up I heard old hunters call them “jack snipe” but then I got older and was taken “snipe” hunting and to be honest I’ve been a little confused ever since. If you’ve ever been taken “snipe huntin” you know what I mean. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cd...

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I’m wondering if these are the same birds we’ve seen around here usually late in the season Jan feb but not in thick areas but rather in cut soybean fields that are wet usually have frozen and thawed a few times. Brown colored bird with a long beak over an inch long. When they flush they make a scre...

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