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EAM, Hopefully you will follow the advice I gave. No need to start that dog out at level 18 on the Alpha when based on our exchange a level 10 or close to it will likely accomplish the training goal. If it does not break the dog off then raise the level. As I posted, stay silent so the dog associat...

"Unique " is a word I never use to describe what I do with dogs ! Until about 20 - 25 years back I thought I was the inventor of what you call "Wagon wheel training." I called it "clock face" training and I devised it about 50 years ago …… I was most annoyed when I saw it described in an American g...

I've been watching my daughters almost 5 months old GSP pup. He has started to cock his leg. I cannot remember seeing any previous pup I've worked with begin to cock a leg at such an early age ....is this fairly common ? Bill T. I never seen one do it that young either. I have a two year old and a ...

lol. you would think that such a common question and occurrence would at least have someone somewhere that has a clip demonstrating the procedure ? :mrgreen: :) In this age of ill informed, know-it-all, SJW types you certainly won't find me putting one up - social media suicide is what that would be.

Perhaps he will read the previous responses and will now try a "claw finger" as opposed to a "knuckle rap" and will have much better success.

Thank you Sharon. You're too kind! ezzy333, are you sure about that? If you are, why do horseback trialers (of which admittedly I was one) keep trying to turn their GSPs. Britts, Vizsla's etc. in quasi -pointers....with the emphasis on quasi ? Oh....and I have judged on both sides of the border. Th...

RyanDoolittle wrote:i hope your looking outside canada for a brittany. They wont compare to your pointer.

And what basis do you have for such a statement - outside Canada?

I agree the dominance/pack order needs to be settled regardless but I had heard from other sources that with two females you can have that being a more reoccurring issue. I have had some females where they were a little wacky every time they came around in the heat cycle - just like some mares. If ...

Featherfinder wrote: I'm not show savvy so.....can't help there.

For most folks - hire a handler.

I don’t want any dominance drama, with kids around the dogs need to be without issues. It makes no difference if you have two males, two females or one of each. They will still need to settle the dominance issue. Whether that is a quick, smooth and permanent settlement or comes with drama is not so...

In my experience I don't think you will have any problem.

DC is when you attain a Show Champion (CH) and Field Trial Champion (FC). You can get an FC in walking only stakes if there are enough Open Walking trials that you can run in. Amateur stakes will not count towards your FC title.

I'm not sure if Purina Pro Plan is the best food on the market for sport dogs or any other dogs. Maybe a few of you do believe that. I understand that Ezzy had a long career in the dog food industry so he is well placed to give a learned opinion. And there is no doubt that numerous top dogs are bei...

gunguy wrote:I am genuinely curious why this food is so popular.

Because it gets reszults in the dogs it is fed too. Feeding dogs is not a label reading thought exercise.

I have had some people come to me after trying to slap, clip, or hold the muzzle shut. Some had the scars to prove it. Those pups won the battle(s). So, you could blame the owners for improper application, I suppose. Slap a strong minded pup and he may come right back at you. I'm guessing you could...

Gonehuntin', if I disagree with someone, I don't call them ridiculous - even if I think it. Please try to respond more appropriately. In my experience , depending on the breeding, fabric, age of pup, or more importantly what the owners have already tried and failed at, a slap on the nose, holding t...

Ray Changing your name didn't change your attitude..........................................................." As I've told you before, Ray did not change his name. He always signs his name. His thread name became unusable, due to a forum glitch, so he had to change that. Please don't bring this up...

It just makes no sense. I have had big running GSPs who would hunt a half a mile away on the prairies. I really like those dogs. They were beautiful and fun. They did not produce more birds. It seems hard for you and F to understand that some of us might like our dogs almost as much as you like you...

I have no idea what you are talking about. If you can find the post where I made the assertion that you can buy much stronger bird dog genetics for a few hundred dollars than you get in other breeds for a thousand or two. Quote It Don't think that was me and I don't deal in myths. Did you ever pric...

What does that have to do with the price of a puppy. I suppose my four wheel drive truck would be called a nose to the ground plodder by some but it sure beats a performance car for getting where you want to go in the Minnesota Grouse Woods............................Cj It all has to do with price ...

t and the dog you made reference to, would be an exception no matter what breed...............Cj This statement is flat out wrong - the dog I made reference to exists 100's of times over and more the norm than the exception. Popularity, fads and whims are usually the death of a strong gene pool, an...

People are not as stupid as some people would like us to believe. There is a reason why you almost never see a pointer in a hunt test, and English setters rare..............Cj A fellow was training a young pointer and felt he had him about ready for the fall derby season, but he wanted to get him i...

People are not as stupid as some people would like us to believe. There is a reason why you almost never see a pointer in a hunt test, and English setters rare..............Cj A fellow was training a young pointer and felt he had him about ready for the fall derby season, but he wanted to get him i...

If you have a supply of pigeons and a launcher you can teach a dog to back by doing this: Have a steady dog pointing the bird in the launcher. Have your dog some place where it can't see the dog pointing (over a terrace, behind a building, behind some tall weeds, etc.) Bring your dog out where it S...

You are going to have a lot of fun years.

Dog have zero essential need for carbohydrates. None. No activity every studied has shown an advantage to feeding carbohydrates vs optimal levels of animal fat & protein, while dozens and dozens have shown increased carbs cut performance. You yourself admitted that you supplemented 30/20 with fat t...

Still waiting for you to actually come up with some new knowledge for us here regarding your zero carbs assertion - it is a ludicrous and unfounded extrapolation from the base knowledge that has always existed. You have made the assertion and ever since have just talked around in circles like the k...

Hey, I did have an orange and white setter once. She was an All Age trial dog that the owner was needing to rehome from a divorce and I was needing a hunting dog because my Brit had just passed away. That dog made me rethink what I had been told about trials and trial dogs in the popular press, NAVD...

Well said Slistoe! You can adorn the conclusion with whatever verbiage suits your fancy. It doesn't change the fact. This observation I have made over and over and over. I've had VERY good "other" breeds here. Still, I regret that I was such a slow study . I should have had setters/pointers 30 year...

Of course, that's my problem with the whole industry. What's in the bag is determined by marketing decisions and figuring out how to use the cheapest possible ingredients (often waste products) to maximize profits rather than optimizing health and performance. Bill No industry can operate at a loss...

Spy Car wrote:
slistoe wrote: Yeah, you tried that one before as well. Not buying it.
I'm confused. Did you not just say that old hands know the "secret" that higher fat diets improve scenting abilities in gun dogs?

Bill

Nothing to do with plaque.

I did not prove your point - nothing has proven your point that zero carbs is better. I also proved to myself that increasing fat content further at the expense of carbs gave no material gain in performance in the dogs I was running and it had a negative effect on other aspects. I have fed a "raw" ...

It is also clear that reducing the dental plaque, tartar and periodontal disease that comes directly from overfeeding carbs (sugars that do a number on teeth) improves the scenting ability of gundogs. You know this and I know this. The secret is out for those who are listening. Bill Yeah, you tried...

There is no comparison between a 30/20 kibble and a balanced raw diet. Its not subtle. Bill I will give you that since the companies have all folded to this "feel good" campaign about feeding and adjusted their formulations that it is difficult to get a 30/20 ration that will give top performance w...

You proved it to yourself--and have again made my point--when you "tweaked" your formula to get above 50% of calories from fat and saw improved stamina. Case closed on this point. Should you ever cut out carbs (and the inferior plant-based proteins, rendered "meat," and the low-quality fats that ar...

cjhills wrote: I am assuming you are saying the pointers and setters point farthe3r off. Do you really think that has anything to do with the dogs nose? Silly.......Cj

Not all dogs have the same connection between their nose and their brain. Pointers seem to put the dots together better.

Pointers typically have BIG engines which can serve a bird dogger very well. I have a friend with one and since my old setter died, he has stepped up to the bat! He is our go-to dog. He is smart, has a switch, an incredible nose, is relentless with an amazing bottom end, retrieves from land or wate...

Try this one on for a test: - put a bird to sleep out in a field. Bring your Brittany, GSP, GWP, etc. (Gordon's being the exception) up to that bird and measure distance of that dog's point from said bird. You can do this repeatedly and get a pretty consistent average distance if the wind is steady...

They didn't test a 60/40 calories from fat/protein ration. The authors weren't "duped" :roll: , they just didn't try a no-carb ration. Lots of dogs perform spectacularly well on a 60/40 fuel supply. Too bad the greyhound racers haven't caught on to this yet. There must be a race track near you some...

If you are going to go for zero carbs you will need to overshoot the optimal fat - or the optimal protein. Greyhounds, however, ran more slowly when fed increased dietary protein (36 vs. 24% of energy) (Hill et al. 1998). Your conclusion isn't supported by the study since they didn't test a no-carb...

As stated earlier, about 50-60% of calories from fat is considered optimal. Bill :roll: Except in racing Greyhounds. No. By feeding 75% they overshot the optimal range in Toll by a good deal :roll: Bill If you are going to go for zero carbs you will need to overshoot the optimal fat - or the optima...

Spy Car wrote: As stated earlier, about 50-60% of calories from fat is considered optimal.

Bill

:roll: Except in racing Greyhounds.

When all else fails, grab his nose, hold it shut, bite it and tell him NO!!. One of the MOST powerful corrections and one of the MOST effective. Or if you just start there and then you won't have to waste time and effort finding out that all else fails because the lesson will already be done and ov...

I'm new to this forum and the game of dog training. My pup bit with a bit too much gusto, and I corrected it by using a coyote mouth call. When he got too aggressive, I did a pup distress whimper on the mouth call. If you hunt yotes, and are decent on a mouth call, it may worth a shot. Worked for m...

Well, I remembered another article I was reading and went back to look it up and sure enough it references the study you posted - so we do have some numbers. One brief report suggests that greyhounds run faster when fed a moderate fat (31% of energy) diet compared with a very high fat (75% of energy...

That might be a good article - they want $30 to read it. The abstract has no context of the actual formulations of the diet - was the HFP diet a zero carb diet to support your silly hypothesis? I have never questioned the fact that dogs metabolize fats differently and when conditioned to a diet of i...

So, from way back in Dec. Since then you have gone around in circles repeating nothing new to anyone, and absolutely nothing to back up your ludicrous claim. Mushers and Greyhound racers alike include carbs in their balanced diets - at different levels to account for the difference metabolic requir...

Dogs have zero nutritional requirements to consume carbohydrates. They are in dog foods to lower costs (only). There is, in fact, no essential need for carbohydrates in a canine diet. Zero. All carbs do is cut costs and cut stamina. Bill So, from way back in Dec. Since then you have gone around in ...

Spy Car wrote: I don't want my dog to become "de-tuned" at any point during the year.
Bill

So your dog runs hundreds of miles a week all year long?

Such mushers feed high-protein/high-fat kibbles that are to 30/20 formulas, what Pro Plan is to Old Roy. Then, in addition to feeding much less carbohydrate in the kibble they use by not using a moderate-protein/fat formula, a musher like the hypothetical here further reduces inferior plant-based i...

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