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I have now come up with reasons why the T5 won't be legal for AKC (even though listed it) 1. Garmin isn't even selling them yet. 2.The T5 and TT 15 looks identical other then the prongs so judges literally have to feel for the prongs which most won' want to do. 3. The AKC doesn't allow lighted coll...

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Yes he is the GSPCA president and he is the one who brought up the conversation on derby dogs. As far as agreeing with me. I really don't care. If most of the people on this forum would look at dogs the right way instead of the so called good ole boys way, we might have better dogs. Too many people ...

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Tell you what. Talk to the President of AKC Terry Chandler and he can explain it to you. The AKC rules do say a Derby dog has to point a bird. They have to POINT. As far a this last weekend I wasn't JUDGING. Brooks has had several of his dogs run under me in years past. We know every top Trailer in ...

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You can agree with any one you want. That's what makes the world go round. Problem is the rule Neil listed is a Guideline not a rule. I just saw the same thing happen again this weekend at a trial. Three dogs had no bird work on course in a Derby. They called them back for a call back of sort. The b...

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You still didn't get it. A derby dog does not have to point a bird on course. Judges can call a dog back to see how a dog handles a bird like a call back. If they think the dogs ground work is acceptable in they're eyes. It happens all the time. Like I said you have to judge with an open mind. Woul...

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You still didn't get it. A derby dog does not have to point a bird on course. Judges can call a dog back to see how a dog handles a bird like a call back. If they think the dogs ground work is acceptable in they're eyes. It happens all the time. Like I said you have to judge with an open mind. Would...

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The point is being in an AKC Derby trial. A dog must point and have a shot fired over them. No mention of birds. We're talking about Derby and the possibility of becoming a class gun dog.

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Nothing in the premium can state a dog in derby must point birds. Here the rules. I have personally watched and judged a number of situations just like this. quote:Derbies must show a keen desire to hunt, be bold and independent, have a fast, yet attractive, style of running, and demonstrate not onl...

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AKC Does not say anything about pointing a bird. It says a point must be established

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Not for DERBY

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In AKC, a dog is a Derby from 6 months to 2 years, the dog must point(staunch) but does not get extra credit for steady to wing and shot. And does not need to back. For some judges a flash point is all that is needed, and the dog can knock and chase before the handler flushes. For most the dog shou...

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Most young kids move way to fast around all new dogs and pups. It's not the dogs fault, kids have to be told how to move and approach new animals.

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The judges take the beating been there and done it.

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He ran four events in two days and took a first in amt derby second in open puppy a third in open derby and a fourth in amt. puppy. Almost all of them were back to back. This pup in derby had broke finds with a stolen point by another dog and stood til I took him off. This happened a couple of times.

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Black has been around for ever in the GSP. I owned them back in the early eightys when you had to hand write the black on the papers with akc. People who don't own shorthairs or never been around them or is new to the breed need to be educated in the breeds.

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Doing good Mark. Miss being at Branched Oak, but don't miss the muggy weather out there. We won't have bad weather til next month, but it only lasts til the middle of Sept. or first of Oct. Then it's nice again. I'll be heading to the White Mountains to train for this next trial season in the next m...

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[quote="ultracarry"]Just a question that didn't get answered. Also there was anouther question above mine that didn't get answered also. Btw why would you breed soo early? The female is over two which was her first litter. As far as the male it was to answer a question I had and it was done. There's...

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ultracarry wrote:How can you tell if it really was from clown?

There are enough dogs from Clown that are DNA'd to know who it is from. If you've been around long enough most of the people on this forum would know this.

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NICS, is not free in New Jersey. Costs $15 dollars everytime i purchase a fire arm. And it is performed by local state troopers. I dont see anythign wrong with that kind of system, but for instant backround checks thats as far as I go. And Banning guns is not going to help the mentally ill, and cra...

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Firearms are an object, not a thinking machine. It is designed to function not think. People have been killing people since the beginning of time and it will never stop. It's human nature. I once placed a handgun on the gun counter at our store to show a customer who said guns kill. I told the gun t...

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I think the NRA has dropped the ball on this and other issues over the years and is why i have not been a member for a number of years.I think that the big debate always comes down to the "assault rifle".I guess i own an assault rifle a SKS.Comparing that rifle an innaccurate,stipper-clip fed relic...

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I've got two of her brothers at the house. They are tough as nails.

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For those of you who have asked, this thread, the nonsense preceding this post and the nonsense most assuredly to occur after it is precisely the reason I flatly refuse to be a moderator. I am active in the Brittany clubs in Ca., Ore., Idaho, and Nevada when they have field trials on horseback grou...

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Face it they can't run with the big boys. We wouldn't close our stakes except for the Nationals. At our trials all dogs are welcome.

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We have people running amature out here that also run and compete very well in open stakes. Myself I do not think it's fair to true amature's. That said, I put more value on AFC. I suspect that there are some dogs an amature just can't get around but a pro might. Also an open dog with a pro get's a...

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I've done really well there alot. So have you. The pros didn't like it much when Mike ran. The politics are at most trials, but BO seems to have alot more. That's trialing.

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Twenty dogs is nothing compared to what's in Neb. I've judged many forty plus dogs in one event. It's not uncommon for fifty plus dogs. That's hard to win.

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It's been said on here a number of times, one she's a young dog, two, you can take run out, but you can't put it in. At least she comes back on her own.

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Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:Nebraska

I agree.

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And to think, if this first post on the color of these dogs was never posted, everyone would be saying what a great breeding.

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bb560m wrote:How come Cooper took so long to finish his FC?

These answers will be interesting. I've known Cooper since he was a puppy, in fact I think I was judging when he finished his FC.

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The nose

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Bite him on the nose. His mother would.

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The best answer is, GO WATCH ONE. Dont watch some guys dog that "says" this is an AA dog. Go with someone that does it, that has placements with their dogs, and you WILL know the difference within a matter of seconds. Great answer. I've judged many an AA. And some people's AA dogs aren't a true AA ...

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So what do we call folks who look us in the eye and tell us their crossbred dog is a GSP?? I've heard GSP s called pionthairs, brits called setters, V's called pionters. They're all out there. If you doubt it you're in another world. I commend Adam for wanting to do this importing. I've talked to h...

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Ken I personally saw 2 orange puppies out of a Brown L Spot litter in the early 90's. Plus I also know that the "e" in Rockin Rollin Billy came from Roxy Roller via Jigs White Smoke. Brown L is the common sire in Spot and Jigs. It's factual that Rusty and Clown have pointer blood in them, don't be ...

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I can see trying to bring in some new blood that is quite possibly free of pointer blood. Joe Spending the money importing new blood to add to the tainted blood in the Rusty, Clown lines that he already owns, makes no sense to me. How do you know if his Rusty or Clown breedings are tainted? You onl...

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Ken, did they send samples of the parents and if not, how could they confirm whonthe parents are? I They did not have DNA when a lot of GSP's were imported back then , like Essers Chick, Axel v Wassersling, and Tell just to name a few. Individuals who were in the service or actually went over there...

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You need to go back to Tell and alot of others that came here to the states. Where do you think Rusty's breeding and Hustler came from.

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Most of the greatest breedings came from Demark. All registered in the U.S

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You too Adam. Give Dee a big hug for me.

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Have a great holiday and stay warm out there, Hope you have a great a New Year and good luck with the dogs.

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Now Robbi don't get your blood pressure up too much over this. How's the old man doing?

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Hope Chase's dad os okay, they're really good people. Come on down and we'll put Trey and Mike on some birds. Wish I could have been there with Mike, but had to get this move done.

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Robbi and Keith congrats to you and Trey. Brooks must be walking on cloud nine. By the way I made it back to Arizona, finally. I'll see you guys again soon. Take care. Ken Levy

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20 gauge will take anything he want to shoot.

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It's better to drive to NM. and see really good dogs. Besides Terry's name was brought up. Besides I know more about that part of the country than you'll ever know.

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I love the expertise when it comes to breeders and dogs. People who have only been in the game for such a short time with little knowlege about the dogs they recommend or people who have them. There's alot of really good breeders in Az. if you look. Terry Chandler is a friend of mine and has some ni...

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Elkhunter wrote:I would like to see a judge with some wild bird experience.

I was first and still a wild bird hunter, always will be. Judged many trials and dogs. All over the country. 52 years of hunting first and last.

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You don't have to give them the new owners names or any info other than they require from you. But you have to keep all records of your breedings, dates, females to males and such. They can and will stop you from registering any other litters in the future if they want.

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