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bwjohn

Hello all, I am hosting Craig Doherty at Cumberland Plantation (http://cumberlandplantation.com), for a dog training seminar. Craig has recently published his book "Building a Grouse Dog: From Puppy to Polished Performer." He is a very accomplished dog trainer, handler and author. I would like to po...

bwjohn

Look elsewhere!

Lot better options.

bwjohn

have nothing to hide either but have no idea what that has to do with this subject. And if I am not willing to wait for a month to get a new gun when mine breaks during hunting season or a trap shoot, or I can't transport my gun in my car or on my person, or I believe what our president said about ...

bwjohn

I don't remember any new gun laws being passed in the last 4 years, did I miss something? Both candidates adamantly announced very publicly in the debates they were in favor of just enforcing current gun laws. Also, any law abiding citizen (sportsman or not) that is unwilling to wait a little longer...

bwjohn

I have an uncle which guided Knight on a trip, took his gun and literally left him standing in the field. I don't think I would recommend him.

brandon

bwjohn

you need some prolonged time at elevation to get the benefits of the altitude training. But I am sure that is much cooler up there and therefore you could run them for longer and get more conditioning that way.

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bwjohn

matt, as a native virginian myself, who moved to utah, I have not had any problems with the altitude. But this can vary widely, my inlaws, when they come to visit, can't even make it up a flight of stairs and we are in the valley. Couple of things: 1 drink more water, for you and your dog. 2 researc...

bwjohn

welcome, it looks like you have a good plan to get started. I would just want to be involved as much as possible in the training even if you send it to a pro.

Also, 2 things, this thread is useless with out pics,

! and I second, who is the breeder?

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bwjohn

most pigeons fit fine in the launchers. My training partner does have some very larger pigeons that some time are a tight fit, but they always go in.

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bwjohn

Honestly, e tn and nc are not going to be not much better. That time of year i would say try a preserve of some kind. That is to late in the year for good grouse territory. If you wanted to make a trip you could check into going south. Does ga or fl have hunt able quail anymore? But you could start ...

bwjohn

Matt is right. There is not much bird hunting there. There are a couple of wma south of there that you might be able to get a quail or two. I do not know about woodcock season then, it might be in. You do not need to make it all of the way to gwnf, up around the Shenandoah nat park you could get som...

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not into wine to much, I wasn't holding out much hope. That is where some close friends of ours live, we both just recently had our first babies and we were going to get them together on that weekend. I was holding out a small chance that I still might get to do some bird hunting. thanks for the inf...

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I don't know how far MO is for you, but you could hop on I75 and just keep going north to MI. I have an uncle that drives form North east Tn to the Northeast every year to hunt (VT, NH or ME).

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This is probably a long shot, but the wife is putting a lot of pressure on me to visit friends in ca with her over the thanksgiving holiday. We will be north of San Fran by an hour and half or so, anything up that way? I had a trip to MT set up or if weather was bad OR, sometimes you get overruled. ...

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Nice!

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I borrowed one last for a hunt and it went well. The only issue that I had was the door to the camper was to small to get kennels in and out, so I had to take the door off every morning and evening to get kennels in the camper. Maybe I spoil my dogs but I wanted them to be warm and cozy. I think tha...

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strength and conditioning coach, usually work at Div. I universities.

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bwjohn

I do not know about Maine, but out west there are all kinds of forest service cabins. Check out recreation.gov, to see if there are any up that way.

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bwjohn

Do not know if it is akc or af approved, but in one of the videos it says that you can remove the prongs on the collar and install the flush mounted caps if you need to use in a trial.

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bwjohn

I was concerned so I contacted the company and this was the explanation that I got about the new partner and the formula change. There have been recent changes to our ACANA Regional foods, but the formulas have been improved, this is no reason to be disappointed! The improvements to our ACANA Region...

bwjohn

Sage grouse and that is about it. There are some places for other birds, but from Utah sage grouse are about the only thing worth making the drive for.

Brandon

bwjohn

goat that is awesome!

bwjohn

That is soon. I have a deer and elk hunt going on then, but after you get settled in email me or pm and we will get together for a grouse hunt.

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bwjohn

Just replied to the other post. Made the move out here a few years ago myself from Vermont. It took a season to really get adjusted, really looking forward to this year.

When are coming out?

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bwjohn

Your search for birds will not be a wild goose chase. I like the variety.

Making the move for a job?

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bwjohn

always bad to hear, but there is hope have you seen the cover to Gundog mag this month. It is a Vizsla named Bart, had a leg amputated due to cancer and still finished master hunter. Do not know how far along your dog is, but you may have him for a while longer.

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I just throw the birds from behind the dog or have a partner throw them. Scenario: Dog is on cc 10-15 feet in front. Usually we will walk in some thin cover or right on the edge of some thicker cover. I will swing the dog away from the cover, have the partner throw the bird, so that it looks like it...

bwjohn

I would forget about using the collar for a while, enjoy your pup!

As far as wearing it around, depending on size, I would say around 4 or 5 months.

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bwjohn

plenty of waterfowl. upland is waiting on the woodcock to move through, but by that far south they are much more spread out than up north. quail are few and far between, but some military bases in the southern part of the state can have some quail opp. For grouse, you would have a good 3 hour drive ...

bwjohn

don't have anything to add to the discussion, but just had to see what the post was about. you see that title and all of the stupid things you have done run through your head.

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bwjohn

welcome, I have seen some other members post from S. Africa, looks as though you guys have good bird hunting. Look forward to seeing some posts on your hunting season.

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bwjohn

might not be the best idea for you then. but I think your best bet would be to try private land owners.

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I don't think most people would distinguish between the two, but I could be wrong.

the Jefferson Nat. Forest is not that for north, so that could be an option.

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bwjohn

making the move for School?

Where abouts in SWV?

Not a lot of public land, best shot is to find a local land owner that may let you hunt and just run on those grounds.

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bwjohn

almost any continental (which anything that is not an English pointer or Setter of some kind), at one point was intended to do fur. In europe most still do, for some reason we have a real disdain for hunting fur with most breed of dogs in the US. The DD (Deutsch Drahtar, don't know if that is spelle...

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preface,did not read everyones post, so if I repeat sorry. I would go back a step and do a live bird intro. use a quail or something and pull flight feathers or tether it to the ground. and let her chase and play and not worry if she points of not. I would get the pup really wound up about birds bef...

bwjohn

has your dog been introduced to birds?

has it ever pointed before?

did it ever catch the birds you put it on before?

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bwjohn

not much in that area, close by anyway. Go east a couple of hours or so and you could get some phez. Go north west on the wyoming border and there are some sage grouse. I know the laramie range of wyoming, which is not far, has some blues and ruffs. But not large numbers. some other people might be ...

bwjohn

I would agree that water is more important early in the season.

Had a chukar research biologist tell me that they can go up to a month with out water when the temps cool down. So, later in the season the water would be less of a need.

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bwjohn

yes.

would you mind sharing the breeder, so us other vizsla folks can see? pm it if you do not want to openly share.

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bwjohn

it looks as though you have a flusher? In that case I would head to the dakotas for phez. Tons of public land, their game and wildlife page is a good place to start. Tons of info, if you are willing to spend a little time looking on their website. I can not offer more than that, b/c I have never act...

bwjohn

what species?

you could be in northern michigan or in the dakotas somewhere with that amount of time.

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bwjohn

I am not the only one that got the same meaning out of the statement.

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bwjohn

Actually they have been around for several years. The second generation dogs do not shed. My folks have a second generation dog that is 6 years old. Very smart and loyal dogs. There is also a puddlepointer being bred. I have never seen one, but I am sure they look alot alike. your kidding right. Th...

bwjohn

that is one good luckin' fella.

where did you get him from?

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bwjohn

How old is the pup? A lot of times use quail or pigeons b/c they are smaller and less intimidating to a small puppy. Also, you can pull all of the flight feathers and let the pup catch the bird to really get them jazzed up about birds. Is catching the bird necessary, probably not, but there is somet...

bwjohn

I say search for a mentor around you, maybe talk to a few people and see who you get a long the best with and start training with them.

there are a lot of ways of doing this, but if you have someone that has done it and is willing to help that goes a long way in your training.

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bwjohn

I choose other b/c there is no bad bird to hunt.

But, I have had a lot of fun this year hunting for huns, they could quickly become my favorite.

brandon

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