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by Trekmoor
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Strange behaviour on point
Replies: 25
Views: 530

Re: Strange behaviour on point

Well ……….. I am shocked to read that I've been doing it all wrong for all these years ! :lol: I train every pup I get on wild birds right from the start and I certainly don't have control over either the pup or the situation. Yes the O.P. made a mistake. He, in some way, made his pup feel "wrong" wh...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:22 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Should i let me Brittany actually play with and catch a live bird
Replies: 13
Views: 1079

Re: Should i let me Brittany actually play with and catch a live bird

I am a Brittany fan but I have never found it either necessary or a "good idea" to deliberately permit a puppy to maul a live bird. My brits were all keen, fast hunters , good pointers and very good retrievers of dead or of winged game. I just took my time and let things develop "naturally" during t...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Behavior
Replies: 6
Views: 570

Re: Behavior

I will be brutally honest ! (for the sake of the dog) and all other dogs . That's not like him ! :lol: :lol: :lol: Robert (Polmaise) gave good advice here. I too think you should visit a reputable trainer and it needn't be a gundog trainer. A half decent obedience hall trainer should be able to hel...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:05 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Flush/Stop on Cue, Steady to Wing, Shot, Fall, and Retrieve
Replies: 2
Views: 453

Re: VIDEO: Flush/Stop on Cue, Steady to Wing, Shot, Fall, and Retrieve

Hi Brad, I suggest you move house to Britain immediately ! :D The video showed what we require from a dog hoping to win a Novice field trial . The dog held it's point until commanded to flush and it was steady to flush and shot and fall of game. It retrieved on command but I did notice it's return w...
by Trekmoor
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:14 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Stop It !
Replies: 11
Views: 1497

Re: Stop It !

I agree, a dog, is a dog, is a dog. Some dogs are more equal than others however ! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Steady to flush- question
Replies: 35
Views: 2890

Re: Steady to flush- question

You won't heed my reply ...... You will herald the notes of comfort. "Never , ever , ever Steal the Point" .....The dog will flush when you want the point . I apologize I do not follow this. Mind explaining? I think what Polmaise is meaning is that you are seen by the dog as being competition for t...
by Trekmoor
Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Pointing .
Replies: 2
Views: 606

Re: Pointing .

Hi Robert, my spawn of the devil " Charlie Yabugger" the cocker spaniel points pheasants and will also back other dogs on a bird. I encouraged him to point on rabbits when he was about 12 months old …..coz it was the only way I could get near enough to him to stop him chasing them ! :oops: This beha...
by Trekmoor
Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Tips for teaching fetch or retrieve?
Replies: 18
Views: 1704

Re: Tips for teaching fetch or retrieve?

Sometimes ,the game perceived by the pup (any breed) ends when the chase has finished ? Similar to the situation described with the frisbee. Yes ! That's it in a oner ! A retrieve is , for many pups, a whole collection of behaviours of which some will need to be encouraged/taught. Your pup does the...
by Trekmoor
Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:11 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training / hunting question - missed shots
Replies: 16
Views: 1426

Re: Training / hunting question - missed shots

I've trained quite a number of the versatile breeds and a few pointers and setters. I have also trained spaniels and labs …..it does not really matter what breed a gundog is, they can all be trained to be steady to flush, to shot and to fall of game...……..and the missed shots can be very valuable tr...
by Trekmoor
Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Trekmoor/Bill/Wullie
Replies: 12
Views: 1350

Re: Trekmoor/Bill/Wullie

Thanks folks. I was taken into hospital with pneumonia but during CT scanning, dark areas on my lungs and a tumour in one of them was discovered. It doesn't look good but I am hoping for the best.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:56 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whats with the hooping and hollaring in field trials??
Replies: 39
Views: 3068

Re: Whats with the hooping and hollaring in field trials??

I asked the same question on here about 10 years ago after seeing a video of a field trial in the U.S. . I now understand ( I think ?) why this is done but I don't like the idea at all. I think I spent too long competing in British pointing dog trials in which a handler who yodelled at his dog would...
by Trekmoor
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:08 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 2968

Re: hunting too fast

:lol: :lol: :lol: I liked that pic and what is suggested in it ! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 2968

Re: hunting too fast

Bill, thought your first-ever pointing dog was a Spinone left behind by the Roman Legions and poached from one of your Sassenach buddies? MG Nope, my first ever pointing dog was a vizsla bitch that a certain English lord wanted trained as a Labrador - - - as a "peg dog." I got the peg dog bit right...
by Trekmoor
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:14 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 2968

Re: hunting too fast

What are you gentlemen talking about? :) They are blethering about a legend of Scotland - Robert the Bruce and his lesson learnt from a spider, all mixed up with a tiny bit of gundog stuff and an old fashioned Scottish word or two. I got the gist of it but I am not surprised by the non comprehensio...
by Trekmoor
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:12 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 2968

Re: hunting too fast

Mmmmmm ??? I'm not at all sure on the question of human scent on caged birds. I've had one dog, a Brittany, that despised smelling human hand scent on a caged bird. She would point the bird but then almost immediately charge the cage, jump on top of it, carefully position herself …..and then pee all...
by Trekmoor
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 2968

Re: hunting too fast

I'm not really sure I should be contributing to this thread, pointing dog work in Britain does differ a bit from that done in America. However just in case this may help I'll post it in anyway. My first ever pointing dog was a Brittany and she was the result of a mating between an American brit and ...
by Trekmoor
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Training
Topic: So you think you know dogs?
Replies: 8
Views: 1086

Re: So you think you know dogs?

About 40 years back I went to see a lab pup with a view to buying her for field trial work. Her breeder was totally honest about why she was the only unsold pup in the litter. She'd already been seen and rejected by a few keen trailers. She was rejected because they felt she was an escapologist ….sh...
by Trekmoor
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:19 am
Forum: Training
Topic: So you think you know dogs?
Replies: 8
Views: 1086

Re: So you think you know dogs?

I've got one but it's not as good as your story. I was training a pointer (English) for a friend and she wanted her to retrieve as well as hunt and point...in Britain pointers are seldom worked as retrievers. The training in all aspects of her work was going well and she liked to retrieve …..usually...
by Trekmoor
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:32 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Starting Them Early
Replies: 10
Views: 1331

Re: Starting Them Early

That photograph made me smile. It reminded me of my first ever pointing breed pup, a Brittany. She was eight weeks old and when I brought her home from the breeder and put her down on our kitchen floor, our budgie flew down and landed right on her nose ! The tiny little pup immediately went on point...
by Trekmoor
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:50 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: New Member and gun dog owner
Replies: 9
Views: 1899

Re: New Member and gun dog owner

Welcome to the forum. :D

I've had a few GSP's …. a terrific breed for a man who likes to hunt. I am sure your pup will do well for you and give you a lot of pleasure.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 7087

Re: FF or wait?

Auch yer heed Trechy! I dunna ken yer drivel. How's that Bill or do you more often get "Oor Wullie"? It wasn't bad but "Auch yer heed" is meaningless and also has incorrect spelling . The word "Auch" should be "och" and the word "heed" should be "heid." - - - - As in ," Och ! Awa ind bile yer heid ...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 7087

Re: FF or wait?

It's definitely "humour" …. you lot cannae spell tae save yersels' !! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: question for Trekmoor
Replies: 3
Views: 719

Re: question for Trekmoor

I googled this book and I think the author may have been a man called Michael Brander ? He is dead now but I knew him quite well and liked him a lot …..but was not very impressed with his dogs ! We went out pheasant shooting over two of his dogs one day and he shot a pheasant which came down as a ve...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Training
Topic: question for Trekmoor
Replies: 3
Views: 719

Re: question for Trekmoor

I can't remember ever reading that book. What sort of "issues" are we talking about here ? I should maybe explain that although I love reading I am not a big fan of most dog training books. All too often I disagree with their authors ! :lol: The gundog training book I got the most from was one I rea...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:40 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 7087

Re: FF or wait?

Dunno either?!? :lol: That is Scottish for "I don't know either." Scotland is a country with several languages at least two of which are spoken by just about everybody. One is English, one is Gaelic, one is Doric and just to make things even more confusing we are in the habit of mixing all of them ...
by Trekmoor
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:26 am
Forum: Training
Topic: English Setter I need your advice
Replies: 7
Views: 1144

Re: English Setter I need your advice

I have trained quite a number of show bred gundogs. This applies to retrievers, spaniels, the versatile breeds and to pointers and setters. Their owners wanted them to work as gundogs , they liked the idea of turning up to shoot with a "beautiful" dog but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Almost...
by Trekmoor
Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 7087

Re: FF or wait?

Robert , I've never been very sure of what the "whoa" command is supposed to accomplish ? I don't use it or have one ….unless it serves the same purpose as a "stop whistle ?" I do use that during some retrieves or if a dog is starting to chase sheep or deer or rabbits but never to keep a dog steady ...
by Trekmoor
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:44 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 7087

Re: FF or wait?

I have never needed to train F.F. to any member of any of the gundog breeds. It is possible to work with whatever a pup shows me it has got in the way of a "retrieve instinct" in order to first boost that instinct and then do all the fancy stuff with it like steadiness, deliveries and directional tr...
by Trekmoor
Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Running 2 Pointing Dogs at Once
Replies: 27
Views: 2731

Re: Running 2 Pointing Dogs at Once

I preferred to hunt just one dog at a time. I used to take small parties of guns out onto the grouse moors (think hills) and usually started the hunts between 9 .30 a.m. and 10 a.m then finished at about 4 p.m. I also trialed my dogs and I did not want them to think they would have all day to hunt a...
by Trekmoor
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:17 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Young dog to hunt with older dog
Replies: 15
Views: 1368

Re: Young dog to hunt with older dog

I'd let the pup play with the older dog but would not let it hunt with it for a good while yet. I don't like to see what I call "ghosting." This is when one dog just moves along with a hunting dog instead of going in search of it's own birds. I prefer to work my pups on their own until they are expe...
by Trekmoor
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:47 am
Forum: Polls
Topic: clicker training, who is doing it?
Replies: 37
Views: 30642

Re: clicker training, who is doing it?

I have used clickers on a few pups of my own and on adult dogs belonging to other people. As a training method it can work very well. I found it especially useful when trying to correct the mistakes dog owners had already made when trying to train their dogs retrieve deliveries. Somehow though, I do...
by Trekmoor
Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Force fetch with positive and negative reinforcement
Replies: 12
Views: 1478

Re: Force fetch with positive and negative reinforcement

Along with most other British trainers, probably including Polmaise, I have never really understood the compulsion so many American trainers seem to have to F.F. gundogs. Like Robert (Polmaise) I rely on using a pups inclination to pick items up and move around with them in order to "build" a retrie...
by Trekmoor
Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:20 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Great competition always makes you better.
Replies: 12
Views: 1413

Re: Great competition always makes you better.

I hadn't thought I was a competitive type until I competed in dog events of various kinds. I got lucky first time out in an obedience arena competition and won, then I won the 2nd and 3rd obedience competitions too and got a swollen head that was very quickly reduced in size when I entered my first ...
by Trekmoor
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:54 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Setters Perspective
Replies: 11
Views: 1300

Re: Setters Perspective

Featherfinder, I shot fewer than 5 grouse in my entire life. I could not afford to shoot them ….but I could work my dogs to find and point them while more wealthy men than me did the shooting. I trained my dogs very thoroughly to retrieve and they retrieved the grouse those guns shot . The pups/dogs...
by Trekmoor
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:18 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Setters Perspective
Replies: 11
Views: 1300

Re: Setters Perspective

Hi Shags, I'd have loved to see American pointing dogs in action in real time and in real life. I can't even ride a horse but I'd give it a go just to spectate at the trials you have over there ! America has the land to do that on and we do not. Your "culture" of working setters and pointers is far ...
by Trekmoor
Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:29 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Setters Perspective
Replies: 11
Views: 1300

Re: Setters Perspective

Thanks Featherfinder, that was an interesting read. I.M.O. our K.C. has not done our setter breeds OR any of our other working breeds any favours ! For example, when I was about 8 -9 years old I once took a show winning Yorkshire Terrier belonging to one of my fathers friends out rat hunting in some...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:37 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: GSP Training Progress questions.
Replies: 8
Views: 829

Re: GSP Training Progress questions.

This may not be of much use to you as I don't use American training methods. By 16 months old I expected the GSP's I trained to be working just about well enough to win a field trial. I have had a GSP and a Brittany that had won trials by 14 months old. I train dogs in a slow way compared to what I'...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:40 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

Thanks Trekmoor. Interesting how the pointing breeds evolved or in some cases devolved. I was once told setters "set" or laid down because nets were thrown over them many years ago before the advent of the firearm. This would align itself with your offering. Your informant was correct, I think sett...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

I have never fully trained a setter myself but did, I hope, help others to train theirs. I saw a good number of all the setter breeds working and the best running dog among them all was a Gordon Setter named "Bruce." His owner was a very experienced pointer and setter field trailer and he was also a...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:32 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

0% you say Polmaise. I see. So do British pointing dogs sit on the flush/shot? If they do, "we" call this sitting on point. So, if a dog transitions from pointing/standing to sitting on the flush/shot, it can no longer be standing/pointing, no? Could one also say, "You aspire to have 100% of your d...
by Trekmoor
Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:20 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Cazzie Gets a Second Chance
Replies: 2
Views: 691

Re: VIDEO: Cazzie Gets a Second Chance

I agree... well done Brad. The way you re-conditioned the dog is what I do from the start with all pups ….no pressure ! I didn't have to do it with a dog that had already been "pressured" though. There is , I.M.O. , seldom any need for check cords..... I think it has been about 6 years since I last ...
by Trekmoor
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

Robert, dinnae involve me in yer ain personal wee tulzies…. I can pick my ain fechts ! :lol:
(a translation of the above is available at a very reasonable cost. - - Well , I am a Scot for aw that !) :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

In addition to training my own dogs I spent more than 20 years helping other people to train theirs at once per month training classes. Most of those people came from the show and pet world and they had bought their dogs accordingly. Those dogs pedigrees may have featured show champions galore but f...
by Trekmoor
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:57 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

I find it really quite odd that some American pointing dog folk are so worried that training a dog to sit might cause it to sit when it should be pointing. All of my pointing dogs were trained to sit to numerous sit commands. They sat to voice, they sat to whistle, they sat to arm or hand signal, th...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

No dog of mine and no dog I have seen has sat while on point. The training must have gone wrong for a dog to do that. Bill T. Must be a 'merican' thing :lol: and NOT something that is This side of the pond :roll: I have been wondering if sitting on point is perhaps a possible result of "The 'merica...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:59 am
Forum: Training
Topic: training a pointing breed to sit on command
Replies: 51
Views: 4864

Re: training a pointing breed to sit on command

No dog of mine and no dog I have seen has sat while on point. The training must have gone wrong for a dog to do that. I think a dog that did sit on point must be expecting what it perceives to be a correction of some kind ? I do train my dogs to sit after they have flushed the bird, mainly because i...
by Trekmoor
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Worried I picked the wallflower pup
Replies: 17
Views: 1887

Re: Worried I picked the wallflower pup

Until I read the part of your post that Sharon underlined I had been going to say to stick with your pup. I've had one or two shy pups that developed into good gundogs ….but the bit Sharon underlined got me worried. Like Sharon I'd probably play safe and take one of the other pups.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:22 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: The Art of Wingshooting Over Dogs
Replies: 7
Views: 1005

Re: VIDEO: The Art of Wingshooting Over Dogs

I think that where Brad and I (and many other British trainers) maybe part company, is on the subject of "reward." I let my pups hunt, flush and chase every bird they can find until the point part of things is taught to the pups by the birds. To my pups just finding a bird is a reward in itself. I w...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:04 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: The Art of Wingshooting Over Dogs
Replies: 7
Views: 1005

Re: VIDEO: The Art of Wingshooting Over Dogs

I enjoyed your video Brad. It did show good work by both the dog and the handler but like Robert (Polmaise) said it is not unique. The only differences between what was done in the video and what British field trial standard dogs do was that we want the dog to do the flush and following the flush ma...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Dog points, but won't point pheasants
Replies: 9
Views: 1307

Re: Dog points, but won't point pheasants

I.M.O. artificial bird scents are just a waste of money.

Bill T.