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by Trekmoor
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Bird puppy destroyed first bird.
Replies: 3
Views: 118

Re: Bird puppy destroyed first bird.

Personally I would not give such a young pup a live bird to play with. You had nothing to fall back on when things went wrong. I would not give anymore game to the pup unless the game was fit and able to fly away fast. Not sure what you were trying to achieve by using a live bird in that way ? If it...
by Trekmoor
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Feather Aversion
Replies: 4
Views: 160

Re: Feather Aversion

I don't know enough about force fetch to talk about it. I would go a different route to get the dog over the possible aversion to feathers. I don't think the bitch has an aversion to them …..she just isn't used to them. I would use pheasant or duck wings separated from the bird at the joint and tie ...
by Trekmoor
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:12 am
Forum: Training
Topic: How to teach "turning"?
Replies: 44
Views: 1090

Re: How to teach "turning"?

An "HPR" is what we call the "versatiles." H - Hunt ….P -Point ….R- Retrieve. So yes, an HPR is a retriever but what that has to do with the video I don't know. I am not criticising the dog work at all . I am only questioning in what way it represents anything new ? If it is new to you then I am ple...
by Trekmoor
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:11 am
Forum: Training
Topic: How to teach "turning"?
Replies: 44
Views: 1090

Re: How to teach "turning"?

I have no complaints about the dog in Mr. Higgin's video. It worked fine and showed it is "linked" to it's owner. I am pretty sure that any of my HPR's would have worked in a very similar manner on flattish ground with minimal cover such as the ground in the video. I would probably not have needed t...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:57 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Fetching issue
Replies: 13
Views: 572

Re: Fetching issue

Stop using any bumper your pup does not want to pick up. Try, just to get things started, rolling up one of your old and nice and smelly woolen socks and toss that a short distance ….then walk away at speed while calling the pup in a friendly, happy tone of voice. Not many pups can resist an old sme...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: How to teach "turning"?
Replies: 44
Views: 1090

Re: How to teach "turning"?

I do as Higgins says he does and always have done. I thought everyone ,to some extent, trained dogs to quarter using body language ….but it only works if cover is sparse enough for you and the dog to see each other -- and if the dog happens to look in your direction with some regularity . For those ...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:49 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Boykin rebelling
Replies: 7
Views: 329

Re: Boykin rebelling

I have never used putting a dog back into the kennel as a form of correction. I am not sure that a dog can make the link between what it did "wrong" and being returned to the kennel ? I don't use F.F. either but I know that it does work if correctly done. Personally I just use "fun" as a motive for ...
by Trekmoor
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

Hi Robert, not even in my youth did I have a hippy hair style ! I was a "rocker" not a "mod" or a hippy. I had no interest in flower power ….though some of the hippy ladies did interest me a lot ! :lol: How are you keeping ? Are you as bored with this lock down thing as I am ? The only fun I have ha...
by Trekmoor
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:44 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

Hi average guy. I am not nearly "techie" enough to take that old tape and somehow transfer it onto a disc and then post that onto U TUBE. The two training videos were the idea of a gsp man called Ian Sayers. We were good friends and he lived just 8 miles from me so he got himself a fairly cheap came...
by Trekmoor
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

I'm bored stiff just sitting about the place so I took another look at "Average Guys" photographs. Robert (Polmaise) is right, the scenery is just like we have here. I can be in fields like those within 5 minutes of leaving my house. I have very easy access to miles of "public land" that contains va...
by Trekmoor
Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:36 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

Yes Average Guy …. a nice clean and tidy delivery. Must admit that I used to let my own dogs slip back a bit from a really good "present." They'd stand while delivering and a few of them , especially my favourite dog, my cocker spaniel "Charlie" used to do a little "it's mine" dance as he gave me bi...
by Trekmoor
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:05 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

If I moved house to the USA and wanted to train and work and possibly field trial gundogs then just about the first thing I'd buy would be an e-collar. From what I've read I'd need to use it if I wanted to win in your retriever tests and trials. I don't need one here because our trials are very diff...
by Trekmoor
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:10 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

I can only agree with the above post …. I do not know what "big country" is in the sense you mean but I have considerable experience of working pointing dogs on and over Scotland's hills and moors. It is still very possible or even very likely , to walk for hours over the hills .and never see anyone...
by Trekmoor
Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:56 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey
Replies: 43
Views: 1458

Re: VIDEO: Choosing to Share Her Prey

What I mainly noticed in that video is how much junk the poor dog is lugging around with it. In my opinion if a dog really needs to drag check cords around and wear electronic gadgetery around it's neck then something in the dogs basic training has been skimped on or missed out completely. Plus …..t...
by Trekmoor
Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:38 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Hard-mouth AFTER Trained
Replies: 5
Views: 602

Re: Hard-mouth AFTER Trained

Did the dog's owner give you any clue as to what caused the first known instance of hard mouth ? Without that knowledge we are all just guessing and could prescribe the wrong treatment …..if there is one ! Personally, I have never known a truly hard mouthed dog that was successfully and permanently ...
by Trekmoor
Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:46 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Genetics vs. Training
Replies: 44
Views: 2360

Re: Genetics vs. Training

Genetics versus Training - - - - - There should be no such thing. Sensible folk buy pups likely to have the genes for the things they want …...and then they complement those good genes with good training.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:29 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Strange behaviour on point
Replies: 42
Views: 2355

Re: Strange behaviour on point

Another problem is the false points that has emerged, where she points the spot the birds newly flew away from. Is this something which is rectible? False points ….strictly speaking these are points on nothing at all or on , perhaps, ancient scents not necessarily of game. . They can be caused by h...
by Trekmoor
Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:57 am
Forum: Training
Topic: A little help with "hold"
Replies: 31
Views: 1935

Re: A little help with

I agree Gonehuntin'. FF has it's place, but as others like Trekmoor and Polmaise will concur, it's not the only way. There are many thousands of gundogs here in Britain and none of them that I know of were F.F.'d .....and yet they still retrieve. It makes me wonder why you lads bother to do it ! :l...
by Trekmoor
Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:46 am
Forum: Training
Topic: A little help with "hold"
Replies: 31
Views: 1935

Re: A little help with

I realise none of the following is going to help the O.P. much but, as Sharon suggested, I've got a bad dose of cabin fever and need to do something …..even if it is only pointing out the obvious. I never have any trouble with the retrieving of my older pups and dogs because the "trouble" was dealt ...
by Trekmoor
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Strange behaviour on point
Replies: 42
Views: 2355

Re: Strange behaviour on point

Well ……….. I am shocked to read that I've been doing it all wrong for all these years ! :lol: I train every pup I get on wild birds right from the start and I certainly don't have control over either the pup or the situation. Yes the O.P. made a mistake. He, in some way, made his pup feel "wrong" wh...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:22 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Should i let me Brittany actually play with and catch a live bird
Replies: 13
Views: 2294

Re: Should i let me Brittany actually play with and catch a live bird

I am a Brittany fan but I have never found it either necessary or a "good idea" to deliberately permit a puppy to maul a live bird. My brits were all keen, fast hunters , good pointers and very good retrievers of dead or of winged game. I just took my time and let things develop "naturally" during t...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Behavior
Replies: 6
Views: 1243

Re: Behavior

I will be brutally honest ! (for the sake of the dog) and all other dogs . That's not like him ! :lol: :lol: :lol: Robert (Polmaise) gave good advice here. I too think you should visit a reputable trainer and it needn't be a gundog trainer. A half decent obedience hall trainer should be able to hel...
by Trekmoor
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:05 am
Forum: Training
Topic: VIDEO: Flush/Stop on Cue, Steady to Wing, Shot, Fall, and Retrieve
Replies: 2
Views: 927

Re: VIDEO: Flush/Stop on Cue, Steady to Wing, Shot, Fall, and Retrieve

Hi Brad, I suggest you move house to Britain immediately ! :D The video showed what we require from a dog hoping to win a Novice field trial . The dog held it's point until commanded to flush and it was steady to flush and shot and fall of game. It retrieved on command but I did notice it's return w...
by Trekmoor
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:14 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Stop It !
Replies: 11
Views: 2491

Re: Stop It !

I agree, a dog, is a dog, is a dog. Some dogs are more equal than others however ! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Steady to flush- question
Replies: 35
Views: 5262

Re: Steady to flush- question

You won't heed my reply ...... You will herald the notes of comfort. "Never , ever , ever Steal the Point" .....The dog will flush when you want the point . I apologize I do not follow this. Mind explaining? I think what Polmaise is meaning is that you are seen by the dog as being competition for t...
by Trekmoor
Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Pointing .
Replies: 2
Views: 1035

Re: Pointing .

Hi Robert, my spawn of the devil " Charlie Yabugger" the cocker spaniel points pheasants and will also back other dogs on a bird. I encouraged him to point on rabbits when he was about 12 months old …..coz it was the only way I could get near enough to him to stop him chasing them ! :oops: This beha...
by Trekmoor
Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Tips for teaching fetch or retrieve?
Replies: 18
Views: 2938

Re: Tips for teaching fetch or retrieve?

Sometimes ,the game perceived by the pup (any breed) ends when the chase has finished ? Similar to the situation described with the frisbee. Yes ! That's it in a oner ! A retrieve is , for many pups, a whole collection of behaviours of which some will need to be encouraged/taught. Your pup does the...
by Trekmoor
Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:11 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Training / hunting question - missed shots
Replies: 16
Views: 2410

Re: Training / hunting question - missed shots

I've trained quite a number of the versatile breeds and a few pointers and setters. I have also trained spaniels and labs …..it does not really matter what breed a gundog is, they can all be trained to be steady to flush, to shot and to fall of game...……..and the missed shots can be very valuable tr...
by Trekmoor
Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Trekmoor/Bill/Wullie
Replies: 12
Views: 2205

Re: Trekmoor/Bill/Wullie

Thanks folks. I was taken into hospital with pneumonia but during CT scanning, dark areas on my lungs and a tumour in one of them was discovered. It doesn't look good but I am hoping for the best.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:56 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Whats with the hooping and hollaring in field trials??
Replies: 39
Views: 5390

Re: Whats with the hooping and hollaring in field trials??

I asked the same question on here about 10 years ago after seeing a video of a field trial in the U.S. . I now understand ( I think ?) why this is done but I don't like the idea at all. I think I spent too long competing in British pointing dog trials in which a handler who yodelled at his dog would...
by Trekmoor
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:08 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 4871

Re: hunting too fast

:lol: :lol: :lol: I liked that pic and what is suggested in it ! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 4871

Re: hunting too fast

Bill, thought your first-ever pointing dog was a Spinone left behind by the Roman Legions and poached from one of your Sassenach buddies? MG Nope, my first ever pointing dog was a vizsla bitch that a certain English lord wanted trained as a Labrador - - - as a "peg dog." I got the peg dog bit right...
by Trekmoor
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:14 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 4871

Re: hunting too fast

What are you gentlemen talking about? :) They are blethering about a legend of Scotland - Robert the Bruce and his lesson learnt from a spider, all mixed up with a tiny bit of gundog stuff and an old fashioned Scottish word or two. I got the gist of it but I am not surprised by the non comprehensio...
by Trekmoor
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:12 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 4871

Re: hunting too fast

Mmmmmm ??? I'm not at all sure on the question of human scent on caged birds. I've had one dog, a Brittany, that despised smelling human hand scent on a caged bird. She would point the bird but then almost immediately charge the cage, jump on top of it, carefully position herself …..and then pee all...
by Trekmoor
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:34 am
Forum: Training
Topic: hunting too fast
Replies: 37
Views: 4871

Re: hunting too fast

I'm not really sure I should be contributing to this thread, pointing dog work in Britain does differ a bit from that done in America. However just in case this may help I'll post it in anyway. My first ever pointing dog was a Brittany and she was the result of a mating between an American brit and ...
by Trekmoor
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Training
Topic: So you think you know dogs?
Replies: 14
Views: 2163

Re: So you think you know dogs?

About 40 years back I went to see a lab pup with a view to buying her for field trial work. Her breeder was totally honest about why she was the only unsold pup in the litter. She'd already been seen and rejected by a few keen trailers. She was rejected because they felt she was an escapologist ….sh...
by Trekmoor
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:19 am
Forum: Training
Topic: So you think you know dogs?
Replies: 14
Views: 2163

Re: So you think you know dogs?

I've got one but it's not as good as your story. I was training a pointer (English) for a friend and she wanted her to retrieve as well as hunt and point...in Britain pointers are seldom worked as retrievers. The training in all aspects of her work was going well and she liked to retrieve …..usually...
by Trekmoor
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:32 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Starting Them Early
Replies: 10
Views: 2046

Re: Starting Them Early

That photograph made me smile. It reminded me of my first ever pointing breed pup, a Brittany. She was eight weeks old and when I brought her home from the breeder and put her down on our kitchen floor, our budgie flew down and landed right on her nose ! The tiny little pup immediately went on point...
by Trekmoor
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:50 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: New Member and gun dog owner
Replies: 9
Views: 2544

Re: New Member and gun dog owner

Welcome to the forum. :D

I've had a few GSP's …. a terrific breed for a man who likes to hunt. I am sure your pup will do well for you and give you a lot of pleasure.

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 11473

Re: FF or wait?

Auch yer heed Trechy! I dunna ken yer drivel. How's that Bill or do you more often get "Oor Wullie"? It wasn't bad but "Auch yer heed" is meaningless and also has incorrect spelling . The word "Auch" should be "och" and the word "heed" should be "heid." - - - - As in ," Och ! Awa ind bile yer heid ...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:21 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 11473

Re: FF or wait?

It's definitely "humour" …. you lot cannae spell tae save yersels' !! :lol:

Bill T.
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: Training
Topic: question for Trekmoor
Replies: 3
Views: 1182

Re: question for Trekmoor

I googled this book and I think the author may have been a man called Michael Brander ? He is dead now but I knew him quite well and liked him a lot …..but was not very impressed with his dogs ! We went out pheasant shooting over two of his dogs one day and he shot a pheasant which came down as a ve...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Training
Topic: question for Trekmoor
Replies: 3
Views: 1182

Re: question for Trekmoor

I can't remember ever reading that book. What sort of "issues" are we talking about here ? I should maybe explain that although I love reading I am not a big fan of most dog training books. All too often I disagree with their authors ! :lol: The gundog training book I got the most from was one I rea...
by Trekmoor
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:40 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 11473

Re: FF or wait?

Dunno either?!? :lol: That is Scottish for "I don't know either." Scotland is a country with several languages at least two of which are spoken by just about everybody. One is English, one is Gaelic, one is Doric and just to make things even more confusing we are in the habit of mixing all of them ...
by Trekmoor
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:26 am
Forum: Training
Topic: English Setter I need your advice
Replies: 7
Views: 1725

Re: English Setter I need your advice

I have trained quite a number of show bred gundogs. This applies to retrievers, spaniels, the versatile breeds and to pointers and setters. Their owners wanted them to work as gundogs , they liked the idea of turning up to shoot with a "beautiful" dog but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Almost...
by Trekmoor
Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:13 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 11473

Re: FF or wait?

Robert , I've never been very sure of what the "whoa" command is supposed to accomplish ? I don't use it or have one ….unless it serves the same purpose as a "stop whistle ?" I do use that during some retrieves or if a dog is starting to chase sheep or deer or rabbits but never to keep a dog steady ...
by Trekmoor
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:44 am
Forum: Training
Topic: FF or wait?
Replies: 62
Views: 11473

Re: FF or wait?

I have never needed to train F.F. to any member of any of the gundog breeds. It is possible to work with whatever a pup shows me it has got in the way of a "retrieve instinct" in order to first boost that instinct and then do all the fancy stuff with it like steadiness, deliveries and directional tr...
by Trekmoor
Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Training
Topic: Running 2 Pointing Dogs at Once
Replies: 27
Views: 4112

Re: Running 2 Pointing Dogs at Once

I preferred to hunt just one dog at a time. I used to take small parties of guns out onto the grouse moors (think hills) and usually started the hunts between 9 .30 a.m. and 10 a.m then finished at about 4 p.m. I also trialed my dogs and I did not want them to think they would have all day to hunt a...
by Trekmoor
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:17 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Young dog to hunt with older dog
Replies: 15
Views: 1685

Re: Young dog to hunt with older dog

I'd let the pup play with the older dog but would not let it hunt with it for a good while yet. I don't like to see what I call "ghosting." This is when one dog just moves along with a hunting dog instead of going in search of it's own birds. I prefer to work my pups on their own until they are expe...
by Trekmoor
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:47 am
Forum: Polls
Topic: clicker training, who is doing it?
Replies: 37
Views: 34867

Re: clicker training, who is doing it?

I have used clickers on a few pups of my own and on adult dogs belonging to other people. As a training method it can work very well. I found it especially useful when trying to correct the mistakes dog owners had already made when trying to train their dogs retrieve deliveries. Somehow though, I do...