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- Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:18 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: FF "Hold and Drop"
- Replies: 40
- Views: 16278
Re: FF
'Lemme give this a whirl- HOLD is fairly parallel with HEEL in terms of a command that slowly, silently, becomes somewhat "non existent", yet heard enough, and taught enough to the point where the dog doesn't really forget it. That's why HEEL sometimes is better off left alone until HERE is well un...
- Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:55 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: FT dogs not such good hunters
- Replies: 180
- Views: 95056
Re: FT dogs not such good hunters
The OP comes on here with a post that goes against some others grain . Right off the bat he's a troller, this and that. OP has a right to his opinion and express it. Many have all been guilty of pointing fingers and being tunnel visioned ,self included. the inability to look at others opinions subje...
- Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:07 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: FT dogs not such good hunters
- Replies: 180
- Views: 95056
Re: FT dogs not such good hunters
Well, one thing about it, I think the OP achieved what he set out to do!
Charlie
Charlie
- Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:29 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Problems with Force Fetch?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 6170
Re: Problems with Force Fetch?
Smart fetch
Charlie
Charlie
- Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:41 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Dog busting groups of quail
- Replies: 13
- Views: 6635
Re: Dog busting groups of quail
Pigeons and launchers are great but are by no means a necessity. Plenty of great dogs have been trained with neither.Neil wrote:The man says he is hunting pen birds.
And I have trained a couple hundred dogs to finished standards without pigeons or launchers.
Charlie
- Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:32 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Problems with Force Fetch?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 6170
Re: Problems with Force Fetch?
The man that just posted, Evan, has the most complete and easy to understand program on the market, plus you can email him questions or ask him on here. He might no say it, but it's the best program out there and one that has been in use for over 40 years now. +1. Get the program and follow it. It ...
- Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:10 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: chasing deer
- Replies: 35
- Views: 13105
Re: chasing deer
And when done right and timed right, it normally only takes one time. A very quick and permanent fix that could very well save the dog's life.gonehuntin' wrote:Whats to know Polmaise? The dog chases trash........trash break it.
Charlie
- Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:31 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Scare from Stormy
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4028
Re: Scare from Stormy
Glad it is not serious!
Charlie
Charlie
- Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Can prey drive be taught
- Replies: 10
- Views: 6302
Re: Can prey drive be taught
As the others have said, the answer to your question is "no". But he is just a baby and it is too early to tell too much at this point. It seems that most newbies are way to anxious and impatient. You have to let them go through the puppy stage without too much expectations too soon. With some puppi...
- Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:46 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
- Replies: 52
- Views: 27169
Re: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
"Historically, early Bob White quail populations in North America were relatively low as compared with the highs of the early to mid-1900's before we cleared and developed the land. As we developed the land we killed the small hawks; with pesticide, trapping and GrandMa's shotgun. Quail flourished ...
- Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:11 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: First day on birds
- Replies: 26
- Views: 12372
Re: First day on birds
He is a baby with the attention span of a nat. Nothing wrong with intro to birds but you should mostly just be bonding with and socializing him at this point. As they say, just let him be a puppy. About the only training you need to concentrate on is some obedience [recall] and manners. Good luck Ch...
- Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:50 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: She won't retreive quail
- Replies: 23
- Views: 10362
Re: She won't retreive quail
Sorry if I offend, but you most likely did not properly force fetch. I have had them pick up a tin can if nothing else was readily available. I have found force fetch works if done properly. Might there be two potential issues here, 1) a retrieve refusal, or 2) birdshyness, or at least retrieve-shy...
- Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:14 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Chasing birds....wrong birds
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4758
Re: Chasing birds....wrong birds
Relax...It's a puppy thing. He will grow out of it. It shows he has good prey drive and with age and experience he will learn what he is out there for. Completely normal.
Charlie
Charlie
- Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:06 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
- Replies: 52
- Views: 27169
Re: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
Understood, I would have not thought that.Neil wrote:Charlie,
Your observations are valuable.
It is just the big hawks are not a threat to quail.
Charlie
- Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:31 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
- Replies: 52
- Views: 27169
Re: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be cle...
- Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:26 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
- Replies: 52
- Views: 27169
Re: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be cle...
- Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:16 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
- Replies: 52
- Views: 27169
Re: Quail Population 'The Smoking Gun"
I believe there are several factors contributing to the decline of the Bob White. However, when I was young and the Bob was king ( they were plentiful everywhere), the skies were full of hawks. In my area, the farming practices has as much to do with it as anything along with preditation. To be clea...
- Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:03 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: New to the forum
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1529
Re: New to the forum
Welcome!! Enjoy the ride.
Charlie
Charlie
- Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:04 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why is whoa not important
- Replies: 54
- Views: 30749
Re: Why is whoa not important
Let me get this straight. On 2 different threads for this same subject, over 50 post. Whoa on birds, whoa to stop from creeping, breaking, stop to flush and countless others . you say it's an obedience only command That's the end of the discussion because you said it. Really You just proved my poin...
- Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:54 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why is whoa not important
- Replies: 54
- Views: 30749
Re: Why is whoa not important
Have you even read these many posts and understood what we are saying? That is a question you should ask yourself. you tell me how affective whoa is when the dog is out of site 99% of the time. And holding birds waiting for you to show up that 1% I will use it to reinforce stop to flush and not rea...
- Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:49 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
Whoa in an obedience situation..this is why semantics and getting hung up on the exact phrase "whoa" is just foolish and a waste of time. In the case you use whoa to stop your dog from a creep or if he is rearing back ready to lunge...if your dog has been taught whoa effectively - you don't even ne...
- Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:36 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
My only question in all of this is if your dog is running twoards a road and a vehicle is coming why in the world would you tell the dog "whoa" instead of a "turn" command? i teach whoa but don't really use it for anything other than basic obedience such as stopping at a gate or door, or at the sta...
- Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: level of training
- Replies: 31
- Views: 18332
Re: level of training
Keep in mind that I have been hunting Pheasants primarily w/my shorthair. Without a doubt we are more succesful (for better or worse) when my dog is not 100%. That is not to say that he doesn't need to throttle it back at times (which is another story) & I don't ever quit working toward the end gam...
- Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:24 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: 2 dog E-collar systems
- Replies: 24
- Views: 12139
Re: 2 dog E-collar systems
Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, idea. If you fry them while jumping on someone,they can think the guest hurt them and attack the guest. This is NOT a situation to use the collar in. Sounds like you better study the collar more before getting one. Remember with the collar: When you work at higher levels, f...
- Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:20 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why is whoa not important
- Replies: 54
- Views: 30749
Re: Why is whoa not important
YesSo ....is the Whoa command the same thing as me blowing the Stop whistle ?
Bill T.
Charlie
- Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:42 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
Heck, I whoa my dogs when I go out to feed them. It makes for good manners.
Charlie
Charlie
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:32 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Not listening as well as he did, help please.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 4906
Re: Not listening as well as he did, help please.
Never give a dog a second chance when you are having trouble with him. One command and zap. Pretty soon you'll have to give him three commands, then four. A dog can do things correctly a thousand times but let them defy you ONCE and they'll try it again. Nature of the beast. I agree one hundred per...
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:35 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: REALLY new newbie
- Replies: 36
- Views: 11887
Re: REALLY new newbie
There is plenty of good advice here, but if I was a "REALLY new newbie" as the OP has admitted (and I would be when it comes to labs), I would probably be totally confused and would think that it is too involved, expensive and complicated to end up with the kind of dog I have been wanting. Personall...
- Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:28 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
The command in question is like a lot of things in life that is not needed until it is needed. As I stated in a previous post, It without doubt saved a dog's life twice over the years but make fun of it all you want. But because it has never happened to most of you, it is not needed unless of course...
- Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:01 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training bird dogs!!
- Replies: 57
- Views: 30871
Re: New to training bird dogs!!
There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I never said I don't correct him. I just don't believe in hurting and/or purposely making the dog comfortable to train him. It's called positive reinforcement. Look up chad Hines on YouTube guys for some videos on how to do it. He also has videos o...
- Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:48 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Training a dog on a wing
- Replies: 15
- Views: 7219
Re: Training a dog on a wing
Wing on a string is a game nothing more. You don't have to have a wing on it, use a piece of rag. If i were to agree that it does cause sighting, I don't, then a piece of rag or anything other than a wing will accomplish the same end; to see if your dog will chase an object dangled in from of it. T...
- Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:57 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
I am not posting on this thread to argue with anyone. I was simply relating my thoughts and experience on this subject the OP. It is just another obedience command and I just gave an example of how useful/important it can be. I didn't make it up or exaggerate it. That being said, I think most dog ow...
- Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:18 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: New to training bird dogs!!
- Replies: 57
- Views: 30871
Re: New to training bird dogs!!
And I like clicker training because training is much faster, may or may not stick better, but I know that it works very well. And plus, I hate ff. regardless of what anyone's got to say I just can't agree with forced fetch. I don't care if the dog would be happier if u pinched his ear, not gonna do...
- Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:10 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
Wild birds teach whoa for pointing and holding. For safety the come or hear command works for all the other breeds. Why does a pointer have to be different There are times when you need the dog to stop and stand still instead of running to you. The breed has nothing to do with it when we are talkin...
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:22 am
- Forum: Please Welcome New Members - Introduce Yourself Here!
- Topic: Hello from Lockport, IL
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1561
Re: Hello from Lockport, IL
Welcome and enjoy the ride!!
Charlie
Charlie
- Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:30 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Tipping guides
- Replies: 62
- Views: 26306
Re: Tipping guides
I know what its like to be a server, a bartender and a guy that carries someone's golf bag around and that is why I am a 20% tipper. In those day's I did my level best to give great service with a smile because my lively hood depended on it. We can complain about tipping until the cows come home bu...
- Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:29 pm
- Forum: Health and Nutrition
- Topic: Amount to feed
- Replies: 22
- Views: 10015
Re: Amount to feed
FWIW, I never read the directions on the bag. For me, it is a no brainer and very simple. I just keep an eye on the dogs and feed accordingly. I think many people way over think this. JMO.
Charlie
Charlie
- Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:36 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: choke chain versus prong collar
- Replies: 47
- Views: 19631
Re: choke chain versus prong collar
For me the bottom line is the prong collar works extremely well with a very light touch and there is not much risk of injuring the dog.
Charlie
Charlie
- Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:28 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: whoa training ....why is it so important?
- Replies: 89
- Views: 58567
Re: whoa training ....why is it so important?
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it is important for safety reasons. It has saved a dog's life a couple of times for me.
Charlie
Charlie
- Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:06 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: choke chain versus prong collar
- Replies: 47
- Views: 19631
Re: choke chain versus prong collar
I don't like a choke chain on and dog for training. they are too severe on the throat area and also should never be left on a dog. The wider prong collar with the dull spikes hitting the neck can be over used but I sure like it better than the narrow chain. I admit most of the training I do is with...
- Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:49 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Uncontrolled Barking
- Replies: 20
- Views: 11102
Re: Uncontrolled Barking
A live trap works pretty well. I had a similar problem once and now there is not a cat in sight and there was no harm done to the strays.
Charlie
Charlie
- Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:52 pm
- Forum: Off Topic Forum
- Topic: Gun Control
- Replies: 24
- Views: 14042
Re: Gun Control
If it looks like a duck.......!Divide and conquer,East side- west side,liberal -conservative accomplishes nothing.We are all in this together ,the sooner the labels are dropped
Charlie
- Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:26 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Hunting dead
- Replies: 22
- Views: 10393
Re: Hunting dead
I agree with everything that has been said, but I will just add that for me, tracking and hunting dead are two different things. For me, more times than not, finding a downed bird is Just a matter of keeping the dog in one area until he comes up with the bird that has fallen into some thick cover th...
- Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:11 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Hunting dead
- Replies: 22
- Views: 10393
Re: Hunting dead
Or you could just hide a piece of meat (hot dog, chicken, etc.) hide it and give the dog whatever command you want to use for hunt dead ( I just use "dead" or "dead bird" ). A few times of this and the dog will find your bird when given the command. Whatever method you choose, it shouldn't take long...
- Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:32 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: what am i missing?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 7723
Re: what am i missing?
The one thing that I would advise to keep in mind is that the only person the dog has to please is you.
Charlie
Charlie
- Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:21 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Little help with retrieve
- Replies: 11
- Views: 5875
Re: Little help with retrieve
EXACTLY!!Sounds like your FF wasn't complete and/or you never reinforced the command. FF is a continual process, not a once and done. It only gives you another tool to ensure delivery to hand.
Charlie
- Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:39 pm
- Forum: Hunting
- Topic: Intro instruction for quail hunting
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3065
Re: Intro instruction for quail hunting
In Indiana we do quite a bit of quail hunting. We hunt mostly thick fence rows between beans and corn fields, little wood lots, thickets, thorns, brambles. I guess the best explanation I would give is that anywhere you might suspect a rabbit could or would be is a good spot to look. On public groun...
- Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:57 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Tips any any advice requested by a newbie.
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4309
Re: Tips any any advice requested by a newbie.
"Training with MO" is a good book and a good training program. It just doesn't fit my style of training but that is just me. I really like Paul Long's book that Ray mentioned but as he said, it is dated and some of his techniques are more harsh than we need to use today. But as long as you keep that...
- Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:48 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: What the heck happened?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8073
Re: What the heck happened?
There is a video series of 27 vids on youtube posted by SportDog collars regarding retriever training from start to finish that also covers FF. I'm new to training myself and my pup is doing amazing following this program. IMO - the FF training is a must. As I understand it it's getting a dog to go...
- Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Tips any any advice requested by a newbie.
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4309
Re: Tips any any advice requested by a newbie.
Hello Elmer, and welcome to the forum! When you do take the plunge and get a pup, do yourself and puppy a favor by joining a local NAVHDA chapter. IMO, this would be the single best thing you could do for the venues you are interested in and you would get valuable advise and hands on training tips f...