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Grouse Dog Guy

There has never been a dog win the Grand National Grouse and the National at Ames! You need to get your facts right about a lot of things or people will think your stretching the truth. Gentlemen, if you understood him and his life you would realize that he is never wrong... RGD- We know that you h...

Grouse Dog Guy

There has never been a dog win the Grand National Grouse and the National at Ames! You need to get your facts right about a lot of things or people will think your stretching the truth.

Grouse Dog Guy

Around here all the old timers would say, "It will make sombody a nice grouse dog" when they wash it out for not having what it takes to make a top notch quail dog. My point being dogs that are "boot lickers" or dont range out far enough were what grouse hunters looked for before beepers and GPS. M...

Grouse Dog Guy

Around here all the old timers would say, "It will make sombody a nice grouse dog" when they wash it out for not having what it takes to make a top notch quail dog. My point being dogs that are "boot lickers" or dont range out far enough were what grouse hunters looked for before beepers and GPS. M...

Grouse Dog Guy

I guess I am old school and don't want to give myself and excuse for getting lazy. I run bells on my dogs and haven't let the temptation of a tracker or Garmin win me over yet. I train the pups to handle back to where I can hear the bell most of the time but I have friends that walk around looking a...

Grouse Dog Guy

Been reading these trialing posts for awhile, the one thing they all have in common is 90% of all of them are talking about speed and endurance that separate the top from the also ran, nothing about nose. When I asked Cleatus up town, how to judge a good hunting dog he said its all in the nose. Cle...

Grouse Dog Guy

You've never seen a grouse dog LOL! Selctive seeing? Pics don't load? Blind in one eye? Blind in the other eye? Afraid to admit you're wrong? Terrible trolling skills? Help me out here dog master, slayer of the almighty grouse. I can't quite figure you out. I'm guessing ALL of the above and the rea...

Grouse Dog Guy

Like i said a pic is a thousand words.Four finds in a hr..... I was quoting on the pa flush rate.....I hunt all over NY,MI,PA,and WV......No hunting on sundays in pa have to go somewhere......Show me a grouse dog and all show you a GSP.By the way What GSP line did you import and trian ????????? I h...

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stike 1: I live in Pa ,my county is 2 flushes an hr. best is north central 4 flushes an hr. strike2: you fail to prove you have a grouse dog strike3: I LOVE eating critters.............Grouse dog guy .LOL I count birds handled not flushes that the dogs bumped or are walked up. I think I could call ...

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Re: GSP - Why So Popular? by Grouse Dog Guy » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:26 pm I've never seen one that was as good as a middle of the road setter or pointe. I've imported a couple GSP, DK's from Europe owned and trained fifteen or so and hunted over worked with or trained a bunch more. Did the breed club ...

Grouse Dog Guy

What historical *facts*? You've got nothing to base your claim on... For example, the national championship. The dog has to qualify in AA events. So, how does a dog that wins an AA stake in a NC qualifier get to be "middle of the road"? Inquiring minds want to know. Put up or shut up. The historica...

Grouse Dog Guy

Our cover dog trials are open to all breeds, how many setters and pointers ran in the NGSPA National Championship? How many pointers and setters ran at the NAVHDA Invitational? The invitational is open to all breeds as well. I hunted many years with a fellow that took several dogs to the NAVADA inv...

Grouse Dog Guy

It's funny how people have to attack and belittle others for having and opinion based on years of experience and the historical facts.

Grouse Dog Guy

I've never seen one that was as good as a middle of the road setter or pointer. It takes a pretty good ego, or a dedicated troll, to post this just a few posts after one by a 2 time NGSPA national champion. Maybe It's your breed blindness that causes you to attack me for having and opinion based on...

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gpblitz wrote:Leave it To some ES, EP guys. Always gotta jump in and trash anything that doesn't have a long tail.

Since you mention it, them brown dogs are pretty good at hunting trash but I guess that is what they were developed to do.

Grouse Dog Guy

I've imported a couple GSP, DK's from Europe owned and trained fifteen or so and hunted over worked with or trained a bunch more. Did the breed club thing, worked pups for months to pass a natural ability test and still didn't have a wild bird dog that was half what a six month old setter or pointe...

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Re: GSP - Why So Popular? by Grouse Dog Guy » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:26 pm I've never seen one that was as good as a middle of the road setter or pointer. typical cover dog answer. how many real shorthairs have you seen? go take a look at some horseback trials and then give an answer. I know of shortha...

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Ron R wrote:GSP - Why So Popular???
Good question, I'm guessing it's due to a large majority of strange folks out there .

I am guessing it's because they've never seen a good bird dog or they're breed blind.

Grouse Dog Guy

I've never seen one that was as good as a middle of the road setter or pointer.

Grouse Dog Guy

How about a dog that rides in the front seat of the truck, sleeps on the foot of the bed, can be hunted all day every day without and ecollar and is a wild bird champion!

Grouse Dog Guy

larue wrote:ok,next question would you seek out dogs who excel in trials or dogs who excel in wild bird hunting?

It's the same dog for me!

Grouse Dog Guy

I hunt the same wild birds that I trial on, it blends the two together and extends the season.

Grouse Dog Guy

The big difference is the people that own them, GSP owners develop a personalty much like their dogs while pointer people just field trial and hunt birds. :D Right! GSP's and their owners tend to be hard workers, while pointers and their owners always seem to be on vacation. :mrgreen: Pointer peopl...

Grouse Dog Guy

The big difference is the people that own them, GSP owners develop a personalty much like their dogs while pointer people just field trial and hunt birds.

Grouse Dog Guy

I ran a puppy in that derby stake and judged the shooting dog classic. The shooting dogs ran a half hour qualifier on quail then we called back the best six dogs and ran them and hour on multiple courses on wild birds, sorry to say Paul, wasn't able to video the hour call back but it does give you a...

Grouse Dog Guy

I think if you check they all have webbed feet just some have stub tails so their not mistaken for bird dogs.

Grouse Dog Guy

Chukar12 wrote:Oh yeah...? Well I will bet anyone on the board that more jokes can be made about woodcock than any other game birds...

I've never seen a great woodcock dog ....that I liked!

Grouse Dog Guy

I have a few years experience with bird dogs, have owned and trained most pointing and a few flushing breeds. IMO some have greatly improved others have stayed pretty much the same. Bias and kennel blindness is a handicap only if you are unwilling to admit it to yourself. To give and example I have ...

Grouse Dog Guy

Slistoe, you know all that coolaid isn't good for you. :lol: I have talked with several people who have run into the same bias. They were in KS at the time. If you don't think there is a biased towards longer tails in field trials, you are living under a rock. Why do you suppose that GSPs and Britt...

Grouse Dog Guy

When i tried to enter my Gsp in a cover trial over the phone.The guy running the event said i did't even stand a chance if my dog didn't have a tail.I live in northern PA near marionville.. So i go thier and shoot all the grouse.That is why you go birdless at your trials. I avg. about 10 finds in 1...

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JKP wrote:
I've tried a few European imports
Yeah..I tried a few setters too...all soft, run-off kind of dog

I guess you know you have to talk to them in english or they won't understand. :roll:

Grouse Dog Guy

You have to open the call back door and let them venture out on their own or they will never know where home is.

Grouse Dog Guy

I've tried a few European imports, while they were dogs you could hunt grouse with I could never have called them grouse dogs. :roll:

Grouse Dog Guy

Yes, but over a hundred years of cover trials have proven European dogs don't make good grouse dogs. But 100 years of cover trials have also failed to prove that you actually need a dog to hunt grouse. Don't need a dog to hunt grouse or any other bird but it does save the hunter some walking. :lol:

Grouse Dog Guy

Yes, but over a hundred years of cover trials have proven European dogs don't make good grouse dogs. Didn't realize that. What kind of numbers of Euro dogs have run in these trials?? I have no idea how many European breeds have run in cover trials in the last hundred years only that none have been ...

Grouse Dog Guy

Yes, but over a hundred years of cover trials have proven European dogs don't make good grouse dogs.

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I don't care how cold it is in ND a Gordon is a better choice for a grouse dog than one of those possum killers. :roll:

Grouse Dog Guy

Grouse Dog Guy, I can tell you from experience this year that Pointers don't do well in ND in December. :wink: They tend to get chilly. :D It was -30 wind chill that day though. They are great dogs, don't get me wrong. They are also very good natured dogs. Not the best versatile breed, but very cap...

Grouse Dog Guy

You say that you "hunt grouse alot" then get a pointer, over a hundred years of grouse trials with no GSP or GWP's being named a champion should answer your question. I know 2 grouse guides personally that have hunted for 60 years between the two of them. They always have owned Britts and GSPs. Don...

Grouse Dog Guy

You say that you "hunt grouse alot" then get a pointer, over a hundred years of grouse trials with no GSP or GWP's being named a champion should answer your question. And not a bird put in the bag.. :lol: Go check out the AKC and NAVHDA tests. You'll see alot of good dogs from various breeds. Just ...

Grouse Dog Guy

You say that you "hunt grouse alot" then get a pointer, over a hundred years of grouse trials with no GSP or GWP's being named a champion should answer your question.

Grouse Dog Guy

Just looking for proof the method works and has been verified by people that have trained a few dogs too a high level, other than the guy making claims that it does.

Grouse Dog Guy

How many field trial champions have been produced using this brush pile method?

Grouse Dog Guy

Well you asked what bird dog breed so that eliminates all the stub tailed versatile what do you call ems. Pointers and Setters are very affectionate and loving bird dogs! Why anyone would want one of those other things to be affectionate is beyond me! :roll:

Grouse Dog Guy

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Grouse Dog Guy

Holly crap pictorial proof, DG your going to start trouble with that!

Grouse Dog Guy

Birdogz wrote: "Most FT guys don't have seasoned pheasant dogs. That I am sure about. " You might be surprised. There are field trial dogs started, trained, and broke on pheasant. Do you know of the Pheasant Futurity, the Pheasant Championships both amateur and open and the restricted breed stakes ...

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Birdogz wrote: "Most FT guys don't have seasoned pheasant dogs. That I am sure about. " You might be surprised. There are field trial dogs started, trained, and broke on pheasant. Do you know of the Pheasant Futurity, the Pheasant Championships both amateur and open and the restricted breed stakes ...

Grouse Dog Guy

Oh by the way not a single one of the trialers and I know perhaps 4 maybe 5 of them hunts because they are too busy trialing One trialer here who hunts his "trial" dogs once every week. Every trialer I know here in Utah hunts his dogs and does it a lot. The few others I know throughout the western ...

Grouse Dog Guy

Tommyboy, I bet if you look at the pedigree of almost any good dog no matter where it came from you will see a dogs name that has been trialed at some point and time. Just a little advice form and old guy that's been up and down the road " narrow mindedness isn't a handicap unless you make it one"

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