Gun Dog Forum

solon

Thanks, I learned something from you. So you are saying the process would be very expensive and the results could be inaccurate but it is possible? Expense is relative. I think it costs $3 billion to do the first human genome and now the costs are approaching $1000. That is still expensive from the...

solon

By the way Dna testing can only prove parentage...It's not advanced enough yet to identify breeds much less strains of breeds and will not advance to that stage in my lifetime. What you say about the simple commercial DNA fingerprints offered by dog registries is certainly true. I am not sure how a...

solon

My experience is in the cover dog arena, so it is not directly relevant to you out in Oregon's wide open spaces. That said, the key element is having your dog handle and go with you (ahead of you preferably), whatever the range and whether you are in the woods or prairie. My understanding is NSTRA ...

solon

coverdog on the other hand you want a dog who is out of site (actually it is sight) in the woods so when he bumps birds Nobody will see it and u call wild flush. coverdog people dont want their dogs to find birds or they may not place you can win a grouse championship without ever pointing a grouse...

solon

Those studies remind me of a published study done quite a few years ago that showed that parasitic worms were the cause of the population cycles in partridge in the UK. The researchers had different study areas that they treated with drugs to suppress the parasites and control areas. The areas that ...

solon

My experience is in the cover dog arena, so it is not directly relevant to you out in Oregon's wide open spaces. That said, the key element is having your dog handle and go with you (ahead of you preferably), whatever the range and whether you are in the woods or prairie. My understanding is NSTRA i...

solon

When I was a kid in the late 60's we lived in small town Iowa (real small town Iowa)and we had a liver and white female pointer that get bred my the town brittany. Both dogs were good birdogs. We ended up with a litter of orange and white pointers,liver and white long tailed brittanies and a few sh...

solon

I agree completely. Breed the poorest of the breed and they will tend to produce better. Breed the best of the breed and they will tend to produce poorer. Everything tends to revert back to where it started. True with any reproduction whether plant or animal. Ezzy Galton's Fallacy, well stated. Con...

solon

http://www.fosteraward.com/Essays%20fro ... or_Leagues_

solon

Thanks for all of the replies. I live in south carolina and do not plan to hunt with the dog often. The breeder I was looking at is Flanagan Springs Kennel in Kentucky, flanaganspringskennel.com, and it appears most of the dams/sires are from DeCoverly and Pinecobble bloodlines. Yes, I did a Google...

solon

Essoclub, You don't mention where you live nor do you say anything about hunting your future setter. Grouse Ridge Kennel owned by the Flanagans in NY raises cover dog setters with some in flux of horse back dogs and they have been in business for a several of generations. These are field bred setter...

solon

Jenny Horstman is a friend that does sculpture in metal and runs her GWPs (yes, I know hers are DDs, I didn't want to get into the difference), including her NAVHDA VC Arrak. I thought many would find her photos of interest. You may need to be signed in to Facebook to view this. http://www.facebook....

solon

I am not aware of what trials he is speaking about in the article but I was under the impression that at our trials you had a set amount of time to recover your dog at the end of time and it had to be unaided by the tracker? Does it happen often that a dog finishes with the handler then runs off, b...

solon

AZDoggin - Field trial dogs MUST compete without the aid of tracking devices. The only tracking device that is allowed during the running is a bell in a coverdog stake. If the handler needs to use an electronic tracking device to locate their dog, the dog is immediately disqualified. Soooo, irregar...

solon

Well I notice that in last years National Championship, that the tracker was pulled out for 5 out of the 39 dogs that ran. Of course, maybe these weren't good dogs or their mounted handlers and scouts were not good trainers. On the other hand, I would say on that day, they were too much dog.

solon

I could make a strong case for too much dog if you have to have a Garmin to know where it is. The younger crowd just do not realize we hunted dogs and field trialed with out trackers of any kind and dogs that couldn't be found were rejected, but here years later people want to breed to those dogs t...

solon

My interpretation of the phrase (Too much dog) is that it reflects folks' opinion on a mismatch between a less experienced owner/trainer and a "spirited" pup from high performance parents. Is that how you interpret the statement? That is about it. What is too much dog depends on whether you are on ...

solon

Here is another example:

http://www.wesslpointer.com/

solon

You didn't say how hard you tried to market the pups. I would advise that you work at marketing them and NOT for free. People pay about $200 for neutered mutts at shelters. Your dogs have been home raised and started on birds. You need photos of pups pointing birds or even some short videos. Most di...

solon

One tip in addition to those already posted: depending on the degree of privacy you have, pee yourself in the yard where you want the dog to pee. She will smell it and scent mark on top of it. This works well for the evening piss call (when it is dark anyway, if you have close neighbors). All our do...

solon

Our dogs run free and we haven't had any significant problems, but our situation is special. We have lots of space. Our farm is over 400 acres at the end of a dead end one tract lane and it is surrounded on three sides by forest with maybe 20 square miles of mostly undeveloped mountainous land. Traf...

solon

The bite is a physical attribute that is examined by the judges at NAVHDA tests and abnormalities recorded. The same is no doubt true of the European breed clubs. Many breed clubs may tolerate some malocclusion and missing teeth, what were formally called the P1 premolars. Missing P1s is a normal va...

solon

Form does not follow function! That is always miss stated, that is Lamarckian evolution. You need to run really fast so you get longer legs, nope not how evolution or changing a breed trait works. You have longer legs by some mutation or selective breeding that allow you to run faster (function fol...

solon

Is this what you are looking for??

http://members4.boardhost.com/coverdogf ... 60190.html

solon

Maybe this kennel would be an option. I visited there once.

http://www.pineridgepudelpointers.com/

solon

I like Schnees boots. I used to have a pair of Bean boots, pacs with air bob soles, that I liked and then they stopped offering them. I have no use for the chain tread pacs, they lack traction for our hills here in Vermont. Schnees offers a variety of boots, including pacs with air bob or lug soles....

solon

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solon

Recon,

These folks can help you out:

http://www.krystalcreekkennels.com/

Not too far from you I think.

solon

I am not trying to be funny, but I remember seeing some ruffed grouse up in the panhandle somewhere. There is forest with ruffies in the northern parts of ID, as shown here: http://sdakotabirds.com/species/ruffed_grouse_info.htm Maybe you could organize a group to run a trial on Ruffed Grouse, a cov...

solon

Interesting link Casey. Some of Plato's ideas had some long lasting and nasty consequences for Western thought.

Solon

solon

Shags, Thanks for the correction and additional details on the Irish/Red setter story. I guess I was only familiar with the FDSB Red Setter part of the equation. It is clear that the GSP has way more than a minimum effective breeding population, although the breed might have some problem with the po...

solon

I presented earlier some links on articles by geneticists that contend that closed stud books and a eugenic emphasis on complete purity is not a good thing for a breed. The gene pool has nowhere to go but down, to less diversity and probably an increase in frequency of disease trait alleles. Natural...

solon

Now you even admit that it's not just GSPS that have been cross bred & yes some of the FT GSPS have produced Bench CH including Rusty who now we all know was 1/2 pointer because some one said so.But won't give the full details on that pointer that would have to be a carrier of LD which pointers hav...

solon

Whole thing could get interesting, having the best current trainers raise their own favorite dogs and running them head to head. Also could see trainer only competition where they all run the "same" dog raised and trained by them. $150K definitely not for the amateur. Has it actually been done with...

solon

I got one now i would love cloned if it was perfected,and cheap, my lab. That said, the cloned dog wouldn't really be the same dog as the first. The dog is a reflection of what you made it and its environment at that stage in your life. I would like to think I can produce a better/different dog in ...

solon

If you are interested in improving dogs of various breeds, then this emphasis on eugenics and breed purity by the registries is a big mistake IMO and I am not alone in this view. From the point of view of geneticists, breeds were never pure, they are all members of one species, and a current trend t...

solon

Other than a DD in the kennel, he could try one or two of these:

http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Dog+Pro ... de+DP+Trap

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solon

Dogs that look like this, when there is a bird in the cover: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/munster4/ES/DSCF2199.jpg That is awesome! That is Lloyd Murray's 2x Ch Long Gone Boston on the right and Kelly Short's multiple champion (I don't know the count, but for both cover dog and US Complet...

solon

Sue wrote:I'm a setter person. I love their soft personalities, lush coats and full tails. ....
So why do people dock tails?
Is this something purely practical?

I like long tails and setters and SMs too. Here is one reason:

solon

Dogs that look like this, when there is a bird in the cover:

solon

You certainly can make a little money producing a litter of pups, especially if you don't count your time and labor for anything. I can give you specifics on one bitch that we bred in the past few years. In order to use the best stud I could find within the range of a FedEx overnight, we tried a chi...

solon

How many pointers and setters ran at the NAVHDA Invitational? The invitational is open to all breeds as well. There are three English Setters in this years Invitational. All seem to be out of the same kennel (not the same handlers). I would guess that the heavy emphasis on water/duck work in NAVHDA...

solon

I think my Kimber will look exactly like Edgar in about 6 months. And I'm very happy about that. Kimber is a mix of Dashing Bondhu and King's Bomber/Royacelle lines. I would choose the same if I had to do it again. :) Joe, Your Llew pup is very handsome indeed and if he looks like Edgar when he gro...

solon

Here are a couple of Long Gone bred setters: Boston backing his son Edgar (7 mon old):

solon

I had the same problem with a GunX that was specific for Winchester 209 primers. CCI primers work ok. So I think I would try Federal 209 before I sold the gun. It may be primer brand specific. One problem it did have is that the inserts I bought were too tight for the GunX cylinder and I had to take...

solon

Bill Holton, manager of the Cover Dog message board has an all black English Setter.

Solon

solon

Even with my admittedly limited experience with grouse trials in the northeast, I have heard and agree with the opinion of others with more knowledge than mine that bird finding ability is a heritable trait that is honed by experience. In trials where half the dogs go birdless, and these are good do...

solon

+1 Use a check cord to control the pup. Let him point the bird, but prevent him from pouncing on it, gently restrain him at the place he points, and if you have homers, you can let him chase an uncarded flushed pigeon that he can't catch. Otherwise, use the CC to steady him on the bird,stroke him, p...

solon

I don't like to use the word No for a reprimand because of its similarity to whoa. I accept that dogs will mostly know the difference, but why make it a possible source of confusion. The problem is getting every one in the family on the same wave length, an using no is an ingrained habit. I prefer a...

solon

I agree you want to stop the puppy from biting people. I personally would avoid any swats around the head or snout. I hate to see a dog that is hand shy, and striking the dog near the head is a good way to make a dog fear your hand. A forceful reprimand and grab the muzzle and pinch the lips as sugg...

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