Gun Dog Forum

crackerd

I am only training him for waterfowl hunting. I am open to using some force with him but at his age, I am not sure if it is necessary? and I am hesitant because I have heard that they are not always the most receptive to force. I would love a program that would allow my dog to succeed in retriever ...

crackerd

Cass, what is this "program per se (that) pointer folks are used to?" - not familiar with such a concoction. Boykins on the other hand fit seamlessly into any of the retriever programs - though the OP sent up red flags for his future training by saying he had not used force or negative correction on...

crackerd

Thanks everybody I'll share this with the owner. And Sharon your one of my hero's, after all anyone who likes gundogs and ice hockey has got to be a good person. :D And beagles - don't forget beagles. Sharon got it all going for good person status. 'Fraid from what I'm inferring, this Lab went to t...

crackerd

You southern folks are quite lucky with your dove season. We too recently got a dove season but since it is in its infancy, there are not a whole lot to be had. I think it would be a fantastic way to start the season. ... I hope dove hunting takes off up here and becomes big like it is in the state...

crackerd

On DirecTV it is on channel 220, NBCS, Scott's web site keeps the schedule updated. I have yet to see a bad episode, I am a fan. DirecTV also has a search feature, enter "menu", then "search for shows", then "title", at "w-I-n", it will be the 5th one down, click and the next showing and descriptio...

crackerd

...really curious how you handle these little dogs with injured geese and to be honest any big bird (rooster pheasant, etc). that may fight a dog? Is it common practice to force (e-collar) into a bird that is fighting? I have been told forcing them into a bird is how some trainers handle this and I...

crackerd

4 day's till Partridge ! Spaniels are best suited for this little game bird ! Dove season opens Tuesday, September1st! The number one sought after game bird in the USA. Certain spaniels are best suited for this little gamebird, Robt. - gundogguy's got it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/crack...

crackerd

And what you really want to do before investing in a program or dropping into the Mariners Inn off Marine Park for advice (and firehose puppy bumpers, of course) is get through to Sue Carpenter at Rhumbline Retrievers out on 'Guyland (L.I.) about training - phone number is at the bottom of the websi...

crackerd

she practically stalked me yesterday at training ) Nice to hear you are still attracting attention ! :mrgreen: Usually the wrong kind of attention, but have to admit I turned on my sprinter's speed at about 220 yards instead of turning on the e-collar to make a correction that got the attention of ...

crackerd

By the way one of your best efforts as a cinematographer. :lol: I used the Tripod :idea: ..Let's me get on with the stuff I'm slightly better at :oops: Yeah, the lady who gave you the testimonial on the rtf obviously wanted that made known - she practically stalked me yesterday at training to "sing...

crackerd

gonehuntin' wrote:Is the dog from good breeding?

Most pertinent question in this thread - may make all the difference in the world as to how a retriever will or can be trained. So what's the breeding on this Lab?

MG

crackerd

If it ain't broke don't fix it . But, but Robt., being a "new product," it ain't had time to break yet... :mrgreen: Actually, the Alpha's 10 years old and has a mixed record at best, even with "new technology." http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?69953-Problems-with-Alpha-Pistols...

crackerd

"Does" in present tense is moot for NEF - they don't make 'em anymore. Never knew anybody who had one go bad, myself included. Knew plenty of people who lost parts - pins, cylinders - and NEF even when operating under the banner of H&R 1871 could always provide replacements at a reasonable price. No...

crackerd

I traded off my NEF blank gun some time back. Wasn't really using it much at all and the person I traded with needed a decent blank gun. Hard to find a used NEF these days and they were one great gun. well not having one got the better of me so I ordered a new Alpha 22 from Gun Dog supply and it go...

crackerd

Must have been a great time to be there from the start. Gundogguy's not that old! He only goes back to the 1930s and the Dust Bowl era, when they would plant birds in the puckerbrush for trials. His voice is still a little raspy on account of that, except on the Internet. (Just joshing - great shot...

crackerd

Thinking correctly is what they're thinking. Dogs are sedentary creatures by nature ('cept when they're not), and for at least that length of time (16 hours) during a normal day they would be lying in place. Does it make any difference if it's on a kennel floor or inside a crate? Not at all, none wh...

crackerd

Bill, got you pegged as more of a "Mull of Kintyre" man - though no doubt your vocal versatility afield would shine through at the "World Championships" as a modern-day Harry Lauder, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qU75Xgmlww

MG

crackerd

...seems a bit cheeky to call this event a " World Championships" unless , of course, some of you are competing ? Bill, if you were making book on who might "win" this world championship, in re Robt.'s alluding to "the home venue" for such a competition, there's another consideration that favors th...

crackerd

It was attempted a few years ago with Retrievers , some very well known American and Canadian's came over to the UK , put on a good show, but the differences were in the favour of the home venue. Mind you, if the rules and what is expected before you enter are trained for then there should be no re...

crackerd

So this essentially is clicker training with an e-collar? When the dog complies you give a nick in the place of a click? That's a novel way of looking at it, and it may entail a tad of clicker, psychologically. Although a nick couldn't be construed as a reward al a the clicker - nor do you give the...

crackerd

Preventive (and direct pressure) is your using your "invisible or imaginary leash" to whoa or stop the dog without any command preceding the stimulation. Proactive (and indirect pressure) is your using a command that the dog knows, whether verbal or whistle, then when the dog complies with that comm...

crackerd

grommet, most retriever trainers force fetch conventionally, with the ear pinch. Some of them then overlay the e-collar ( after the dog has been force fetched) for using the nick after the "Fetch!" command (the nick followed by a repeating of the command so the dog can credit itself for having compl...

crackerd

Because continuous is preventive use of the e-collar, a/k/a "direct pressure," and it's also reactive training. Momentary stimulation - a nick - is proactive use of the e-collar, which constitutes indirect pressure , and it's also progressive training that advances the dog to the highest level of wo...

crackerd

I feel like continuous stimulation until compliance is achieved is a clearer form of communication for the dog. Like Robert said: ...I thought it was a conditioning process rather than a compliance ? So your observation with the 'Pro' was different to what is or has been achieved?....Your slant on ...

crackerd

polmaise wrote:
crackerd wrote: Robt., are you throwing "stravaig" out there in the literal sense of the word, i.e., "wandering about aimlessly?"
Depends how hungry they are

Aye-aye, mate!

MG

crackerd

So, Bill, the "T.A.N.", unlike the N.A.T., has no water work, retrieve (not required by NAVHDA but "well-liked" by the judges) or tracking?

Robt., are you throwing "stravaig" out there in the literal sense of the word, i.e., "wandering about aimlessly?"

MG

crackerd

Bill, NAVHDA Natural Ability Test, even though it's something of a misnomer since it's very much "trained for" - and yes, Brittanies are considered a NAVHDA breed.

MG

crackerd

I was given a springer pup of 5 months old to train last Sunday. Her owner wanted her to retrieve , she was not keen on it he said. Some pics of the springer pup. I can now have her retrieve right past my other dogs as in the pic below with a tennis ball ......and I discovered today that she is a n...

crackerd

mnaj wrote : "encourage growth and progress (the waterfowl community)" I am curious as to the cause of this growth. Some of it may be attributable to 'Duck Dynasty' but surely not all. I find water fowling to be labor intensive, equipment laden and sometimes less than stimulating (unless the birds ...

crackerd

That's a hellacious cri de coeur, mnaj - unfortunately, it's just highfalutin languauge and 97% untrue (just about everything but the "too many old men" truism but, hey, you also need to realize that gundog training - instead of Internet interjections - is what keeps us young). Shall I refute thee i...

crackerd

Yet they will receive the same award as a dog that stumbles and bumbles it's way through and actually receiving credit for accidental behavior. And yet some folks I know use those results for breeding decisions This was my hallucination. Im sure people would have more fun, and attendance would incr...

crackerd

I'm sure you're right. But then there's no use complaining about the other dogs that are trying to title at a level appropriate for their skills. mnaj, what conspiracy of complaint are you hallucinating over this time? - Gundogguy, who stated his rationale for supporting and contributing (entry fee...

crackerd

They are as versatile as anything when they get the chance :wink: ..and the conditions are right . http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr325/robertj1/Ted%20Jumping%20water%20retrieve_zpsb734am5k.jpg Don't know if I'd go that far, Robt., but if they're climbing a chicken wire fence (as in the photo) ...

crackerd

Test's as in simulated scenario with Springer and or Cocker in competition as a 'test' . Is not that popular over here ,and not that many. Those that attend and participate have good fun and as a handling exhibition certainly shows some good dogs at that. I am looking forward to finding out what th...

crackerd

68w, heed every syllable of Gundogguy's advice. Also, instead of testing the sire for EIC, why not send off dewclaws from the litter to U of Minnesota so you'll know about the puppies specifically instead of the parents - especially if you plan on selling them? Yes, it's more expensive in the short ...

crackerd

No rules pro or con on delivery and resend for any gundog games that I'm aware of, Robt. But remember, our retriever competitions are waterfowl-based and water-centric. Which means a straight line into the water with momentum behind it is most easily managed by kicking the dog off from one's side. A...

crackerd

Here's a discussion for y'all.... Jake delivers to heel 90% of the time. ... does it matter? The rules state that the dog must deliver to hand (which he does flawlessly 100% of the time) but does not specify where his body should be in relation to the handler's. ...I'm not sure if it is even worth ...

crackerd

So, is there any point to getting a JH, SH or even MH in the spaniel world ? Or is that even still a thing? I had NO idea that Hunt Tests were so poorly thought of in the spaniel world. To address this, mopar, while mnaj is trying to comprehend Gundogguy's expert witness input into judging spaniel ...

crackerd

The test is little more than a obedience test that exams behavior instead of talent. If it is used as a bridge to higher standards then it is worth it. We have similar over this side and the terminology may get lost in translation. Spaniel Test = Performed in the off shooting season using bumpers/D...

crackerd

And in so doing has pumped a little life into the program, essentially through handlers who above all pursue ribbons however much those ribbons may have been devalued by what the program now consists of. Can you expand on why you think the program has been devalued? Thanks. 'Cause essentially as I ...

crackerd

Are spaniels just not popular enough to have widespread Hunt Tests? Or is it a regional thing? I may have to restructure my family vacations and travel to do any hunt tests, which would be doable, but less convenient than our retriever/pointer brothers have it. Bunches of those hunt tests in Texas ...

crackerd

Ain't none. Or ain't many. Field trials interest you? - if so (and I know Tejas is a big place) you might want to get through to David "Strong" Jones http://stronggundogs.com/ or Martin Bell http://www.shelmarkennels.com/ and see if they can help.

MG

crackerd

ohsq wrote:I will check out Delaware!!!

Which one? http://www.dnrec.delaware.gov/fw/Huntin ... %20Dog.pdf

MG

crackerd

For me, they would be a horrible idea. I want my hands as free as possible and don't want to fumble for a whistle, have to take my hands off another training tool, to find a whistle to push a button on. I like having the whistle in my mouth all day and hands free. ... ...The other issue I'd like to...

crackerd

Trekmoor wrote:A pink whistle ? Is there sumfin your trying to tell me ?

Righto - the "good cause" belongs to your second favourite topic after gundogs - wummin.

MG

crackerd

Bill, if them above as proffered by Robt. look like beer bottles, why not go for the yard of ale look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/crackerd/R033-002_zpsz26onwil.jpg and join the in-crowd for a good cause? http://www.dogsafield.com/Pink-Dallesasse-Field-Trialer-Whistle/productinfo/R033-002/...

crackerd

Bill, would the electronic Fox-40 have been for use with your upcoming hupper? Can say without doubt that the regular Fox-40 would probably hup him or her as if by hurricane force in the next shire.

MG

crackerd

what would be the drawback of her hunting before retrieving? The issue you have posted. This comment is not helpful. Really? Must not be helpful because you refuse to acknowledge it as such, since what Polmaise is saying couldn't be more spot on. Let's see: Your dog won't pick up dead birds, but yo...

crackerd

Strewth ! It's getting like that old t.v. programme called ," All Our Yesterday's" on here ! :lol: My earliest recollection of "rabbit hunting" is from about 1952 -53, I used to wait at an open window of a big old wooden hut for a rabbit to peek out from where they lived under the hut ...... I then...

crackerd

Like this, Robt.?

'Specially for Monsieur pomme de terre, Cass...Spaniels are smart enough to dig their own gravy, too!

MG

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