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crackerd

Newbie question here. Is there a list of all the skills I should be teaching my dog and in what order? I have several books on dog training but all of them focus on formal gun dog training and not obedience training. The AHDC "Orange Book" focuses on everything and overlooks nothing: http://www.ahd...

crackerd

If you're looking for a field-bred Lab, most of the time you choose pedigree over people (breeder). Sometimes - if you know the retriever games from the inside - you're able to work both into your equation for picking a new pup. You could do worse than go to the Duck Hunter's Refuge Forums - specifi...

crackerd

My wife believes that Josey didn't receive the same level of training as Echo. Josey is very sensitive and she believes that our trainer gave up on her training early. I will need to start from scratch and work with another professional. Expensive but necessary. I need to go beyond my comfort zone ...

crackerd

Did you ever train with wings attached to a large dummy. She seems to not connect that this thing with feathers is ok to, and supposed to be retrieved. We do and she seems opposed to fetching those bumpers at times. There are times she does retrieve the feathered bumper, and there are times when sh...

crackerd

If you were throwing marks for them pointers, you were enhancing your element - nice job. Swimming for recovery or recreation ain't to be sniffed at, either. But if you've ever seen a retriever trial or advanced training on the water, you'll know that these dogs are trained to return with a retrieve...

crackerd

My apologies to Polmaise for the highjack. i just thought it was interesting..........Cj None necessary ! It always is interesting appreciating the 'differences' . The thread can take whatever route or direction as far as I am personally concerned . Would that be autonomous relocating you've cleare...

crackerd

So I got a chance to talk to Lab trainer about length of time swimming and I was surprised by his answers. He said now with water temps near 80 and air temps pushing 90°, he wouldn't swim a dog 30 minutes. I know labs have a heavier coat but others say a minute swimming is equal to 4 or 5 minutes r...

crackerd

Not to worry. Over here we just crank up the ecollar. The dog learns to come when the juice is on. He soon learns to ignore the command. But we still have the juice........Cj Is that the AC/DC Troglodyte recall program you're describing? Polmaise knows that ain't quite the protocol in the more, sha...

crackerd

I have a 16 week old GSP (4 month) .It spent 50% of it's life so far sucking on a teat and pretty much blind for most of that time. I wouldn't let it learn what to do on it's own with a tennis ball or a slipper ,even a bumper or a stick. ................................. She is pretty good at eatin...

crackerd

We are just past hold and jowl pinch and starting with ear pinch. When pinch is applied he readily opens his mouth and takes the buck but im having trouble getting him to reach for it. I know this is a critical step and I dont want to cause a train wreck. I dont think he is being obstinate I dont t...

crackerd

Sharon wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:09 pm
"or Hup, Bud! when I want a sharp turn or a 180." quote Shags

Now that is a good idea.

Now that is sangin' blasphemy to the spaniel choir, Sharon - "Hup, Bud!" meaning Sit your derriere down this instant and don't budge an inch.

MG

crackerd

I use the command in the field when I'm sure the dog knows what is expected. If he ignores me, I use the e collar . Whilst your Singing may be of virtue, if the dog knows what is expected ,then why would it ignore you ? , I was just watching a great film ' A few Good Men ' ..and just thought of a '...

crackerd

Definitely think a lot of Higgins ' method ,but I do it differently. I start in the back yard with a check cord and a command. I use "yohhhhh" . Use the command ,turn the dog. Then extend your distant from the dog using the command. Same as you might teach "come". I use the command in the field whe...

crackerd

polmaise wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:42 pm
Some say a Boykin is not a Spaniel and some say it is not a retriever.
My advice is edited .have fun with the little Boy

That's right, Robt., Boykins are one thing and one thing, only: untrainable curs. But who knows, if 'Bama shoots a bird for him, he might "choose to share his prey"...

MG

crackerd

Maybe there should be a thread on sour grapes :lol: If you think Polmaise is sour graping things, you need only tune into the many (many) gundog amateurs and novices from the UK and across the continent who not only trust in his guidance and methods, but flourish with his hands'-on help and (lately...

crackerd

I am not nearly "techie" enough to take that old tape and somehow transfer it onto a disc and then post that onto U TUBE. That's a pity 'Wullie' , I am sure folks on here would love to see you in Flared trousers a Fair Isle jumper and a Hippy hair style :lol: Bill, you know the old saying "Read you...

crackerd

Now Bill, admit it, you're just chafed 'cause you can't get a spinone to share her prey over there, keeping them bagged wild haggi all for herself. Now if you went at it from a 'Merican pointing dog trialer's perspective - you know, them who so mellifluously "sang" without surcease for their dogs' s...

crackerd

Polmaise, I'm not disputing your observation however I'm confident this dog will retrieve to hand. It just isn't "there" in it's training and we don't know what the owner did with this dog if anything, in it's puppy stages. My video quality is poor. Is that a GSP? No Feather, not a GSP, a GPS - Goo...

crackerd

Great stuff, Craig - thanks for that, both the literary insight and the personal touch put into it.

MG

crackerd

[There must be thousands of lazy folk just like me in Britain , their dogs all retrieve too. :lol: Shame on y'all, Bill - Brexit is ripping the heart out of the EU having the best tennis ball "collectors" on any continent! FF, cut it out with the "Bammer" bidness, we're to be addressed as "Gumps" -...

crackerd

Stop calling him "Bammer," feather, or we'll have to come down there and force fetch that slur out of you by both ears! :wink: - otherwise you and Bill (trekmoor) got ol' Nick going with good advice. Would, however, give the pup something it actually might like to glom onto and carry around instead ...

crackerd

That’s lovely, Robt. even without the “spirit of season” soundtrack. Just lovely. Know it’s “proprietary” but your opposite number undoing hardmouth would be a smash over here, too. I remember having a video call a few years ago with who is now a very dear friend and successful in their pursuit with...

crackerd

birds, force fetch is never about perfection but the * This * you cited above on different folks wanting different strokes from their gundog is spot on. FF for retrievers is about instilling a work ethic (for retrieving) and a foundation for advanced training if you are to compete in field trials or...

crackerd

I thought he would naturally want to retrieve more than he is. Other than that he has been an amazing family dog. Even at 4 months he has been a ton of fun inside the house, with the kids, etc. Your not the 1st person to have thought that dogs would "just" naturally do their work without months of ...

crackerd

gonehuntin' wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:48 pm
Is she starting in the Living Room or Dining Room?

Living room - full decanter of W&J Graham's tawny port and open tin of Samuel Gawith Squadron Leader at her, er, fingertips.

MG

crackerd

polmaise wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:19 pm
Yup! the paint roller is pretty good too! along with anything else ...
Got one at our training group that doesn't like it ,what do you suggest ? ....from the list ..and what would you do if it never liked what you like best ?

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MG

crackerd

Thanks, FF - but that was Polmaise's handi-gundog work. Maybe he'll also post up an account and photos of the American cocker he got to working toward viable gundog status for a client without any sangin' just lullabies of encouragement...

MG

crackerd

Or, you know, like NASCAR drivers, they could have a pre-trial handlers' meeting and decide on a duet that would work "aesthetically" for both bamanick's dog and bracemate. I'm thinking The Ames Brothers' "Auf Wiederseh'n Sweetheart" on the breakaway, and maybe "My Cup Runneth Over" by "Mingo" Ames ...

crackerd

Crackered, did you say Harry Lauder or Cindy Lauper? Either one, but ol' Bill could do solo sangin' Harry Lauder, while channeling Cindy Lauper would mean he's missing backup vocals from the late Capt. Lou Albano. Hmm, Polmaise might be just the substitute side-scissorskick! (No, Robt., no dirks ou...

crackerd

If we could only get green cards for the two Scottish "Skinflintstone" chums to ply their gundog training trade over here, they both would revitalized physically and fiscally by the opportunities that lie-eth before them. Trust me, that's no joke...

MG

crackerd

bamanicksbd, you've obviously mistaken a pointing dog field trial for an impromptu sing-along by an "Alabama" (or Miss Minnie Pearl) cover group or South'n Baptist choir! - them FT handlers sho' 'nuff got some mighty fine timbre to their sangin'... Speaking of "cover groups," my hope is we can get o...

crackerd

:lol: :lol: :lol: I liked that pic and what is suggested in it ! :lol: Bill T. Be even better if you could translate it into Scotsese, Bill - go on then: You keep your dog close because he busts birds not because you like to watch him work. CHANGE MY MIND translated into Scots would be (fill in the...

crackerd

What are you gentlemen talking about? :) They are blethering about a legend of Scotland - Robert the Bruce and his lesson learnt from a spider, all mixed up with a tiny bit of gundog stuff and an old fashioned Scottish word or two. I got the gist of it but I am not surprised by the non comprehensio...

crackerd

It would be rude to quote what has been said by others regarding 'Planted birds' and human scent . ... Least Not, ..Hunting Fast'?? ..Or as we Heathens sitting in a cave watching a spider ...call it "Stravaiging" . :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Wait a minute, are you talking pla...

crackerd

polmaise wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:38 am

DonF wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:01 am

I strongly suspect what (Bill T.) did was teach the dog the difference between a training bird and a wild bird.
Probably.

Robt., I heard on the QT that Our Wullie has got some training capercaillie available, "Scottish endangered species" status notwithstanding!

MG

crackerd

What's wrong with self relocation if the bird is moving? So long as it stops short of the 49th parallel on the relocation, Sharon, probably good to go. :wink: Only came onto this thread because I thought Bill (Trekmoor) was aboard with recommending the best UP (and North Woods) grouse dog out there...

crackerd

Photo from this morning. Hence the title "Perfect Retrieve" https://i.imgur.com/rfpqu2Bl.jpg Nobody has mentioned this here, but the way that dog is presenting the bird to AG is the PERFECT presentation. He is sitting, not standing. His nose is straight up looking at the handler. When in this posit...

crackerd

gonehuntin' wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:04 pm
I always told people they grew up for a year and out for a year. Rough guide.

Yeah, GH, but your rough guide was only measuring Pembroke corgis...

MG

crackerd

Ray, on the "BUT" - my eyes ain't what they used to be, but if I'm scaling the photo correctly, those may be cicadas instead of birds getting pointed, and you know what that means: Good source of "meat" protein for a growing pup! MG PS Speaking of scaling, I've got a couple of Carl's smaller bird cr...

crackerd

"Pointing" Labs at their "pointiest" -

MG

crackerd

Going to check out the sportdog collars. My collar riveted on doesnt sit right on the the neck and catches debris so its no bueno. weimdog, found these .... on eBay - at the price, certainly worth a shot (or two or three!), what with at least having an O-ring and decent buckle. Turns out to be one ...

crackerd

Going to check out the sportdog collars. My collar riveted on doesnt sit right on the the neck and catches debris so its no bueno. weimdog, found these https://www.ebay.com/i/123809263413?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=123809263413&targetid=809743754545&device=c&mk...

crackerd

So I have been in the force fetch process for about 25 days. I did a lot of research on force fetch. I bought smart fetch read Tom Dokken’s book and watched a bunch of videos before starting. Things have been going fairly well and some of the common hold up’s that most people I read about I’ve had....

crackerd

Agree as usual with GH on force fetching - for all gundog breeds. Just wrapped up the proceedings today overlaying the e-collar with a black dog (best FF candidate ever invented) whose five-gen. pedigree only has 112 FCs, and relished 99.4% of imparting it to a pup (of my own) for the first time in ...

crackerd

So I have been in the force fetch process for about 25 days. ... I know I’m going to have to ween him off the treats as we continue the process but what’s wrong with teaching him the fetch and hold command this way? All the other commands I’ve taught him has been with introducing him to the command...

crackerd

Hoping somebody would ask (and answer) this question, as until you've experienced how atrocious the collar quality on the Garmin actually is... you might think baling twine would be an improvement, and you might well be right!

MG

crackerd

Here's an earlier thread from this forum sort of on the same topic with commentary from retriever training program originator Evan Graham and cameos by one of his acolytes, the wonderfully named "Del Lolo:" http://gundogforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44667 At this stage, and working with a 4-year-o...

crackerd

Only saw the word "force" in your thread header. Does that mean you're commanding the dog to fetch without any force in front of it? With a 4 year-old-dog, the persuasion's gotta go beyond one five-letter word ("fetch") rolling off your tongue - it demands that the other five-letter word ("force") r...

crackerd

Probably a really dumb question but here it goes....how will my chessie learn to transition from training to the real deal? He is awesome with guns, bringing the dummy back, and most the stuff related to hunting....well for being 7 months old. Just interested in better ways to help him transition, ...

crackerd

Ended up just buying half a dozen identical dummies once my last paycheck hit. Problem seems to be fixed for the most part. Occasionally he’ll decide that he doesn’t want to pick up one of the subsequent ones but we can usually work through it that session and if he decides that he really doesn’t w...

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