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It's been awhile since I've visited here. We have been busy. In October we finished "Hope"our 5th straight Brittany Field Champion We have had 5 Brittany's and competed them all on foot in mostly horseback stakes, and erned most of the points in horseback stakes. http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/a...

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Have you seen the Wiem hunt yet? Have you seen any Weim hunt? The reason I ask is that every Wiem I have seen hunts quite a bit differently than every GSP I have seen. It is very possible with this "mix" to have a dog that tends towards one of the parents traits in one area and the other parents in ...

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I had purchased the other unit mentioned Romeo and it took months to get when I got it I got it set and put it on the dog it worked good two or three times and then stopped working. I called the place where I purchased it and they said there was a bad batch and offered to send another I opted for a...

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Martin, I believe the GPS collars you listed are made by the same manufacture, just different retailers. My experience does not lead my to believe that there will be 20 - 30 Garmins at a trial, all turned on at the same time Neil I think that they may be the same manufacturer as well. But it is two...

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I think the Astro will end up being a victum of it's own sucess. When there aren't very many of them at an event, the probability of a conflict is realtively low..... The benefit likely exceeds the risk. When they get as common as Trackers are now (at least at trials I frequent) there will be more p...

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Part Three I got together with a friend and his Garmin today to do a little more testing. First I wanted to see if it really was possible to marry a collar to more than one handheld. It is, and it's very easy. Next we put one of his collars on ID #2, and one of my collars on #2. We then turned on b...

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Part one Knowing that the soon to be approved Garmin only has 48 codes, I was looking in the manual to see what happens when the inevitable conflicts arise at trials. The manual says that if you turn on the reciever and it detects more than one collar it will pop up a message about the conflict, an...

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Since you are new to the Gundog arena, look around yor area and see if there are any clubs and or field trials that you could attend as a spectator. In particular focus on all breed events if possible. This will give you an idea of what to expect out of the different breeds. I was fortunate in start...

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Live in Phoenix.

Where are you at?

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Science tells us that the gene split is 50/50 betwwen a male and female in a mating. So why are there so many males with titles, great records etc? The reasons are threefold. First, males tend to be bigger,stronger,faster, and have more endurance. (same as people) Second, as has already been mention...

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Full Brother/sister matings have produced some great dogs. Some even better than that,,,,,,,but a lot of people would consider that to be too close. 1/2 brother/sister is very common and if done with quality dogs should maximize the upside potential and limit the downside. At any rate, there is risk...

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What everyone else said and, Hunt Tests are open to all Pointing breeds.

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Martin, you agree with my statement that there will always be cheaters. However you then proceed to assume that therefore everyone wants to or will cheat. You state “We lock our houses as a reasonable precaution to deter most thieves. We keep our keys in our pockets, not hanging on a hook next to t...

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Are we searching scouts for tracking receivers now? Should that change? Regardless, I have to disagree that it couldn't ever be proven. No we aren't searching them now. The difference is is that the GPS unit could be used in full sight of the gallery/judges without anyone knowing. All that a scout ...

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What would I consider cheating? For the most part - a handler or a scout with a handheld. So how would this be handled? Are we going to start searching Scouts? I'm not really concerned about handlers, as they should always be in the judges sight. A penalty that cannot be enforced because the violat...

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As for the subject of cheating… There will always be people who will go to any length to take advantage of information not available to the other contestants. Why is cheating even discussed here as though the Garmin device will be THE end all cause of it?KenKen Lynch Absolutly! There will always be...

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Interesting. Well - personally, I think if something like this is going to get approved, there need to be some clear guidelines as to its use, and severe penalties for cheating. I would also have a big problem with people tuning into dog's collars, especially if they happen to be in the gallery. If...

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I also talked to a pro handler about the Garmin. He is against it for a different reason. He doesn't want others to be able to track his dogs! He wants his secrets to stay his! I guess one could always just NOT use the Garmin, and keep ones secrets safe. Can you link up to a collar THAT easily? I u...

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I found this on the Garmin website. http://www8.garmin.com/support/commProtocol.html I don't know what the possibilities would be. Probably limited by a programers imagination, and skill. I also talked to a pro handler about the Garmin. He is against it for a different reason. He doesn't want others...

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The potential for abuse is too great, and with that goes the integrity of the sport. Unless you are also anti-gun that is absurd, but then I know people that are anti-death penalty and pro-choice. It is your right. But I have to ask do really feel so strongly to risk the life of a dog? I can tell y...

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The Astro can also be used off the field. I could sit in my trailer and watch my computer screen and see where the dogs are running (I have the TOPO map programs loaded) and most importantly where they are going on point! On every point I could mark the position, and soon a pattern would emerge. Ar...

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If we are truely interested in the dogs well being ABOVE ALL ELSE, then get rid of the scouts and arm everyone with Astros. That way everyone would know the dogs whereabouts at all times. Waiting for the handler to ask for the unit could be too late. I don't see any negatives to this approach. Every...

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It is too good to be used in trials. The potential for abuse is too great, Please explain. Although one could cheat by using a Tracker in the field, it would be risky as has been pointed out in this thread,, They are cumbersome and much more difficult to use. The odds of getting caught are high. Th...

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At the great risk of being told that I am not a knowledgeable person. I am not in support of this petition. At least not with the present unit. I have a Tracker and an Astro. The Astro is a phenomenal unit. It is too good to be used in trials. The potential for abuse is too great, and with that goes...

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As a relative newcomer to FTs, I noticed right away that the scout thing is the biggest joke in the sport. Most truely believe that doing whatever is necessary to help a dog win is fine,,,,so long as as the scout isn't caught doing it. I would be in favor of eliminating scouts. Then we would restore...

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Roy is a dog that hasn't been bred a lot as far as I know. He has a good trial record. He is a big and a good moving dog but maybe over the standard. Its not stirring the pot when someone asks about pups out of a dog. If he was wanting a pup that he could show or breed it seems to me to be one of t...

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I'll take a stab at AKC Field Trials. They are judged subjectively, with no established point system. This can make them the hardest to learn and understand a good performance. To top it off, every judge has a different idea of just what they like to see. So in AKC knowing what the judges like is th...

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[quote=" OFF TOPIC HERE. One thing I think NSTRA could do better is the final use of the birds. Many of the trials use up the birds for dinners or folks take some home but I have seen many other times when they have not. It seems to me that we could clean the birds and give them to a soup kitchen or...

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NSTRA has a lot going for it in that it allows active participation from the handler. You get to shoot your birds over your dog and have him retrieve it to you. This is never allowed in AKC. Only official gunners may shoot birds. People really like this aspect of NSTRA, and I think it accounts for a...

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Last weekend we entered Talon in 2 Master Hunt Tests. She was the only Field Champion entered. She scored really good on Saturday with all 10s except for a couple of 9s in retrieving and honoring. With no horses around, and Julie carrying a shotgun, Talon thought it was a training session and never ...

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https://www.akc.org/events/field_trials/pointing_breeds/history.cfm Directly off the AKC site: "The original AKC trials were for foot handlers. In 1966 the AKC regulations were amended to allow horseback handling. This was such a popular decision that participation in AKC Pointing Breed Field Trial...

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"Walking Handler Gun Dog range—In Walking Gun Dog Stakes , the dog’s range should be suitable for the walking handler. Horseback Handler Gun Dog range—In Horseback Handling Gun Dog Stakes , the dog’s range should be suitable for a horseback-mounted handler taking into consideration the cover and te...

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Martin, The first pointing dog field trial was held in 1874 not far from my house, you should be interested to know it was all walking. By 1880 most were mounted. As near as I can tell, people have been predicting the death of horseback trials for the same reasons you cite for over 115 years. Yet e...

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"Walking Handler Gun Dog range—In Walking Gun Dog Stakes , the dog’s range should be suitable for the walking handler. Horseback Handler Gun Dog range—In Horseback Handling Gun Dog Stakes , the dog’s range should be suitable for a horseback-mounted handler taking into consideration the cover and te...

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If the goal is to attract new people to the sport then there should be more walking stakes and they should be seperate from horse stakes. It is too much to expect a new guy to come in with a horse and all that is required to keep one, Some may have them but most dont and to use rental horses is a p...

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I would not walk at a HB trial. Actually all AKC trials are walking. Horseback handling is PERMITTED, not required. Martin, You are right, but can you explain this rule (direct form the AKC Rule Book)? *Walking Handler Gun Dog range—In Walking Gun Dog Stakes, the dog’s range should be suitable for ...

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snips wrote:I would not walk at a HB trial.

Actually all AKC trials are walking. Horseback handling is PERMITTED, not required.

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When a walking handler is braced with a HB handler, both are at a disadvantage. Any sensible HB handler will take the first opportunity to seperate, but if he does move ahead, he is likely to end up handling both dogs. There is nothing worse than working a young dog on point only to see his handler...

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I guess we don't live in a "perfect world" and we have to deal with the human element. :( There are many more things going on in a trial that effect the outcome besides walking or riding. Dry conditions, wet conditions, windy, not windy, green dog blowing up another dog, on and on an on. :roll: You...

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Hi Knine, Deni only needs any 2 points to finish either FC or AFC. Like our other FC/AFCs, all of the points were earned handling on foot in mostly horseback and mostly all breed stakes. Also all points were earned in adult stakes as we didn't get involved in AKC early enough for the juvenile stakes...

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AKC is going to have to redefine its rules. It has already added the clarification on horseback and walking range for gun dogs, while leaving the rule that there is to be no difference. They can't have it both ways. If you are a horseback handler braced with a walking handler you are at a real disa...

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Yes you can walk, and be competitve. My wife and I have been walking in HB trials since 2005. When we first got into AKC trials, many told us that we could never win on foot. After looking around and finding that walking stakes are pretty rare in the Britttany world out west.We decided to try anyway...

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I thought I had recently seen a tv show about this. Almost like I was dreaming it. I googled it and found a lot of articles. I didn't read thru them, but if anyones interested google "dispermy".

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When I first heard of this practice, my intial gut reaction was one of disgust. Probably because in the past it was an accident as a result of sloppy/irresponsible breeding practices. And it seemed like there would be a lot of misrepresenatations in these breedings. After having some time to think a...

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There are just as many great females as there are great males. The difference is that the males tend to be a little more athletic, which helps them at trials. But an even larger difference is that males have more opportunities at trials. Most females that show promise will be bred and that will knoc...

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It looks cool. But as a practical matter for me, I'd rather have a dog that comunicates with me by how it's pointing. I trained with a guy who had a dog that did that awhile back. It drove me AND it's owner nuts trying to find the birds. Birds out here run constantly, and it seemed that poor dog was...

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Heck, Rodger, you know far better than I do that scouting is the biggest scam in field trialing. Yep, it's rampant. I'd even bet most judges when scouting have been know to skirt the rules a time or two. You know like when they've scouted to find that fiery young dog on point way up to the front on...

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NJ GSP, You're right, the Astro 220 will get a GPS signal just about anywhere. That goes for the DC 20 or DC 30 collar units as well. However, the way the system communicates with eachother is not through the GPS receivers...it's via radio frequency. And I can tell you from experience that one way ...

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My only concern would be the ease with which 2 of the handhelds could be used on one collar. Judge has one handheld....who has the other? I'd see this as a total non issue Bruce. You could easily have twenty tracking systems tuned to a single dog, and there's no way judges would ever begin to try a...

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I can't say that I've ever really looked at Chuck, though I have probably seen him at trials. I have seen Taryn quite a bit. I actually roaded her once on my quad. I haven't put a wicket on her but I know she is shorter than My females, which are barely in standard as far as hieght goes. From that p...

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