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AZ Brittany Guy

I second the comments from TY. Ben does a great job of taking you through the basics. I use the SCS system but I believe that you need to go to a Seminar on the SCS to really understand it. Ben gives you an EZ to understand process and he left in the normal SNAFU's that other viedo's edit out.

AZ Brittany Guy

I have solved my digging problem (for now - 12 months) by laying chicken wire around the interior of the fence. I folded the 2' wide chicken wire in a L shape with 6" coming up the side of the fence. I tied it to the fence with wire and coverd the 18" lying flat on the ground with field rocks to hol...

AZ Brittany Guy

Way too early to start judging that pup. If the breeding was good, the hunt will come. Not all pointing dogs enjoy retrieving but they will point and hunt dead. The first year should be happy times.

AZ Brittany Guy

Sharon, I am no expert but I think you are right on. I would wait till bird season is over then start my yard work (whoa training). Once he knows what whoa is and you have transitioned him to whoaing on the ecollar, I would dry run (no check cord, no birds) him in the field and see if he stops on st...

AZ Brittany Guy

A few weeks ago I bought my second EP. He is nearly 6 months old and was supposedly started on pigeons, cap pistol, etc. I get him back home and he is wormy, poor, skittish, and terrified of a lead. He points butterflies from the kennel all day long but initially had NOTHING to do with a pigeon. I'...

AZ Brittany Guy

The more I train dogs the more I subscribe to the theory that you need to keep things interesting for them. Frequently change places where you train, plant birds in different areas and don't do too many reps at each session. Three birds at the most and If they get it right the first time, stop. Too ...

AZ Brittany Guy

Neil We had bars on our old cart and it worked well enough. The biggest problem was side to side clearance. Where I have to road the dogs we have to work our way in and out of a bunch of fields by squirting through hedgerows, and through trees. There are just areas where I couldn't get through and ...

AZ Brittany Guy

Glad to see the Trademark lines perform well. Neal, I am sure you are pleased to see a Rocky dog do well.

AZ Brittany Guy

dghunt wrote:Out of curiousity what whoa technique do you use brittany guy?

I use the Silent Command System (whoa post - flank) developed by the Delmar Smith family. I also incorporate the barrel in the routine.

AZ Brittany Guy

I would not refund under those circumstances. A breeder makes a decision to breed a litter based on feedback and requests from people expressing an interest. I have been a nice guy and not required deposits until the litter was on the ground and all those interested people were MIA when I tried to c...

AZ Brittany Guy

what kind of floor did you use az brittany. because i was planning on using the poly max flooring. but i just found out that the floor alone. was going to cost me 857.00. so is there something cheaper that you used. or know of that i could use? I used the same kind of flooring that southwind used i...

AZ Brittany Guy

I built one very similar to southwind except it is 18" off the ground and is on casters. I also built the whelping box separately with casters. This allows me to keep it in the garage during cold weather with a plastic tarp under it. Very easy to clean with a hose and spray tank of soap and bleach. ...

AZ Brittany Guy

I agree with snips. Let em run and chase birds right now, no pressure. If you want to teach them to "stay" before you feed them, or walk through a door, that's ok. Have you chosen a whoa technique yet? There are more than several ways to do it when they reach the right age. I would definitely decide...

AZ Brittany Guy

Why don't you guys take the "should you intentionally breed a gun shy dog" diatribe to another thread? Good Point! :mrgreen: No offense intended on my part. I think it struck a nerve with some of the more experienced dog people. I think a pup is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The...

AZ Brittany Guy

IMHO that is too young. Let him free run on wild birds or pigeons that can get away from him. (no talking or corrections) When he starts to point the wild birds or planted pigeons (launcher homers) then you can start the "whoa" yard training. Get experienced help on the whoa post. Someone with exper...

AZ Brittany Guy

Most of the time when a dog is gun shy, it is man made not genetic. I would look into the "hates the gun" story a little further. You would be amazed what people do to their pups to "see if they are gun shy or not".

AZ Brittany Guy

Come on Mavrick!

Come on Helen lets put in a brag for you and Brian....Good Job!

AZ Brittany Guy

I have used the Tomato Juice Idea I have used the White vinegar idea And I have used the hydro peroxide more that several times and so far its the only one that works. I guess we have better mater juice here in IL than you do in Az :wink: . Who much do I owe you? 8) Either that or we have skunkier ...

AZ Brittany Guy

I have used the Tomato Juice Idea

I have used the White vinegar idea

And I have used the hydro peroxide more that several times and so far its the only one that works. You may need to make several applications over a day or two but...it will neutralize the odor as good as anything.

AZ Brittany Guy

Welcome fourtrax. Little Frenchies are great dogs especially cover dogs.

AZ Brittany Guy

Interesting analogy using small children as an example. :P Would you take a two year old child and enroll him in the 1st grade? Of course not you would give him toys that he enjoys playing with and expand his thought process and coordination. You might give him a simple puzzle for him to figure out....

AZ Brittany Guy

Good point,

Tequila's Joker used to come riding into camp (shotgun) whith Ed Tilson. Heck, TJ would come to the cocktail parties and "work the crowd" for hors d' ouevres on Saturday night.

AZ Brittany Guy

[/quote] Amateurs, on the other hand, often begin with the clean slate of a young puppy that can be gently developed to engender good habits from the start and avoid bad ones that require breaking. And that affords them the opportunity to take a much different approach than most pros - if they so c...

AZ Brittany Guy

Way to go John! That is stated as well as it can be said.

AZ Brittany Guy

slistoe wrote:

What is wrong with his call name?

This is a learning experience! I had no Idea it was an expensive SS. I'm just a dog guy that could barely afford my used Rugar.

AZ Brittany Guy

SLE thanks! Its on my list along with Snakefoot. We gotta do something with your name

AZ Brittany Guy

Good questions. I will be interested to see the comments. I know the most common statement I have heard is "they are costing you money while you are asleep.". I think you need a bigger truck i.e. F-250 type, horse trailer with Living quarters if you trial alot or a cab-over camper and small horse tr...

AZ Brittany Guy

Well Keny, I guess that takes care of that Myth!

AZ Brittany Guy

I always was told the measure of a man can be judged by his children. Rick is a great representative of Delmar and I am sure Tommy is the same way. I have a friend that trains with Tom every week and he speaks highly of him.

AZ Brittany Guy

Now I gotta get the book for sheer entertainment value!

A trip to England with one pair of pants? A trip to NY and greeting all the passer bys? Ice cream, sunsets? Does he mention beer?

By the way, Rick trained and handled Sam to the three hours endurance win.

AZ Brittany Guy

I have 8 dogs and feed them every afternoon in their dog runs. If one gets picky and I am sure he is healthy, I just open up his run and let the other dogs come in a make short work of it. He goes to bed hungry and believe me, the next day he eats with enthusiasm. Sometimes a trip to the Vet and sho...

AZ Brittany Guy

578SLE, I am a Big Time Smith fan and I don't take offense to what you are saying. :) I never read the book but I would guess it would be way too dry for me if it was just technical information. I remember stuff better when it is presented in a entertaining fashion. That's why I like Rick's approach...

AZ Brittany Guy

The garden hose is also a very good idea. Rick Smith taught us a simmilar trick with the parachute coard but instead of slip knots, he used the little plastic spring loaded slip diddies that you see on rain coats, duffel bags or any camping bag fabric that uses draw strings. But, the beer works just...

AZ Brittany Guy

Too funny and thanks for the genealogical correction. I openly admit that I have never attend a Smith Seminar and do not know the Smith family. For those of you who do, I believe Delmar is dead. Is that true and if so, do you guys know more or less when he passed? Also, I am considering ordering on...

AZ Brittany Guy

578SLE wrote:Essential items to be included:

"two asprin and about 6 beers and try it again tomorrow"

Yup...that's my motto!

Like they say, (whoever they is) always end it on a positive note.

AZ Brittany Guy

Knine, we both know who it is and we can leave it at that. I was a little dissapointed to hear this comming from him. Many people don't know or understand how long Rick as been doing this and how successful his field trial career was. When Brittany field trial people take a look at the dogs he had a...

AZ Brittany Guy

All we really know is how Tarrant chose to write about Delmar's training method in the relatively short time he spent with him and what the Smith brothers choose to tell us about their father's training method. As a result, this is one of those situations where the myth of the man has become more r...

AZ Brittany Guy

I think that for a newbie, Delmar's advise still hold true to this day. You want that pup to be crazy about birds. Let the birds teach it about pointing and holding and hunting. : Not only good advice for newbies! Delmar's methods worked way before the e-collar, tracking collar and such but the met...

AZ Brittany Guy

I think I insulted a person by the name of 'Hattrick" on another thread regarding pretty much the same thing. I feel bad about it but...I really wanted to make an impression. The worst thing that can happen to a bird dog pup is getting a "gung ho" first time bird dog owner. I know.....I was one of t...

AZ Brittany Guy

Depending on the size of the bird and how strong it is, you vary the size of the card board. For most adult feral pigeons (strong flyers) I use 8" to 10" sq, card board. I poke a hole in the center about the size of a pencil and cut a slit coming in from the edge to about 3" from the hole. Use blaze...

AZ Brittany Guy

4 months old?! Holy Smokes Bat Man!! Let her run and chase birds. No training on birds IMHO. You lucked out by shooting you gun around her at that age. Gun conditioning usually starts not sooner that six months for me. JMHO. Your tying to get the pup to hold on birds at 4 months? WOW! Let us know ho...

AZ Brittany Guy

Weird I see a lot brittany answering this post :lol: Mine doesn't dig under the fence she likes to dig right where I spent two weekends laying drainage lines in my back yard so that it drains better (i live in northern WA state). I'll fill the holes and she'll dig them out again. For what ever reas...

AZ Brittany Guy

I have an acre under no-climb fence and my kennels are in that area. I allow my dogs the run of the exercise area about 10 hrs a day. I have had digging problems and I solved it with two things. I strung a hot wire about 8" off the ground inside the exercise area and also laid down 2' wide chicken w...

AZ Brittany Guy

AT what age do you guys start roading your dogs?

AZ Brittany Guy

Since you owned, trained and hunted with Labs you may want to press Ray for the differences in approach with retreivers/ flushers and pointing dogs. It is my understanding that Lab guys put a lot of compliance demands on their dogs and hunt the them close.

AZ Brittany Guy

Great looking pup! Their are 100 ways to skin a cat. Read, listen and look at as many ways as you can but....PICK ONE. Don't mix and match. Here are a few quick Strata-Gems that I stole from the Rick Smith Forum: * The first year a "pup can do no wrong" * Keep it fun and keep it positive. Keep train...

AZ Brittany Guy

John, Its pretty much the same in the White Mountains except there are not farm houses to rent since it is Ntl. Forest. Gibbons has a larger outfitters tent with about 4- 6' picnic tables and a large split 55 gal barbeque at the end. He has a retired couple fix lunch and dinner each day for his clie...

AZ Brittany Guy

Thanks John, good information. We have about 4 pro's that summer camp in the White Mountains. On average, the altitude is 9,500 feet with huge alpine meadows. Gibbons is here all summer and Berneathy usually had summer camp here with his Britt's. T. Chandler is also here and you probably know Steve ...

AZ Brittany Guy

Thanks Neil. I am familiar with the stuff, we have foxtails out here. I was just a little confused over the wild bird part of the statement. I agree with you guys about the benefit to the derbys when you send them to camp.

AZ Brittany Guy

Summer camp starts with roading and conditioning. The pros can't run on wild birds until a certain date (which depend on the state they are in), usually around the middle of July. Actual wild bird may be postponed beyond that in some years if the speargrass is still standing with seed heads in it. ...

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