Gun Dog Forum

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I won't guarantee anything Grouse season will be open so I might be hunting.

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Maybe we should do a Gun Dog Forum one. Any takers?

bondoron

Here in south west Wisconsin, we had 12 inches of rain Saturday night. Mud slides every where and roads washed out. Supposed to have another 2 inches of rain tonight. Yippee I sure wish we could get some of that rain up this way. We got a good amount but I was hoping some of these potholes would fi...

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Where are the grounds at? That isn't too far from where I live I might go to watch.

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I'm in

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FC/AFC/NFC are trial titles. JH SH and MH are hunting test titles.

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If you are just looking for birds to train with, I wouldn't bother with game farms. I would just get pigeons, that would be the cheapest route. If you catch them they would be free.

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Sartell Pointer, There is a bunch of NAVHDA testing coming up in your area in the next month or so. I would say go to one or two and see what it is about. You don't have to join just be a spectator and talk with people. I am sure Carey would be happy to meet up with you at the one he is going to be ...

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Ted I wasn't pointing at your post. Maybe I was a little over the top with my post, I just don't agree with the way some people communicate their convictions. I love how people try to protect their dogs and the way they try to protect GSP's in general. It can be done in a more tactful way though.

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Alice don't worry about what others say your pup will be great. As for the rest of you that posted what is the deal? Why is it that everyone feels the need to cut on peoples dogs, training methods, testing, etc... All she asked was if anyone every got a pup from this kennel. Not I got a pup from her...

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Sorry, forgot to say welcome. Do you plan on going north hunting at all? I might be able to go on a hunt.

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Rookie had some really good suggestions. Here are a few more, a guy can't have too many options. :D http://www.herbstbriesekennels.com/index.cfm -Twin cities Lynn Erickson GSP http://www.grousepointkennels.com/ -Rice Lake Carey McMillan GSP http://www.keljerkennels.com/ - Chicago area Steve and Roy ...

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I don't get it :oops: Most of the time its the wife's/girlfriends that don't want more dogs. Our house is the opposite :lol: It took a lot of wheeling-dealing, :wink: begging, promising & a little tears :twisted: to get my hubby to agree to a 3rd dog :lol: :lol: & you want me to get one of each hah...

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This is an easy problem to solve. Get one of each.

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ezzy333 wrote:How about a good looking bundle of excitement. The rest I can train for and try to bring everything in to control.

Ezzy

True to a point. Hard to train temperament and nose though.

bondoron

gonehuntin' wrote:In the GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN, they got stamps for everything. You even need a stamp to Pee in the woods.

How true

I heard the DNR wanted to bring out a stamp for something else but I can't remember what now.

bondoron

Desire, temperament, biddabilty, strong nose. I want a dog that gets out there and just rips it up. In the field, or in the woods.

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Gotcha Bird. I am not touching this one. I got in enough trouble on the other topic.

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bird wrote:

What would you do if you knew someone was doing it but couldn't prove it ? Would you speak up or would you stay quiet ? Would you rock the boat ?

If you can't prove it, how do you know it is being done?

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I am not a historian so this is only opinion. I think it would be tough to figure out all the crossing that made the GSP we have today. The breed started in the 1800's and the first dog didn't come to the states until 1925 or 1926. I have heard a lot of different breeds that may or may not have been...

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Welcome from another Wisconsinite.

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NAVHDA has nothing to do with chasing deer, blood tracking, cornering hogs, or any of the other things that have been posted. Here is the web address http://www.navhda.org/ . It also has nothing to do with teaching a dog to attack, fly, dance, talk, or most other things that might be brought up next...

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WI would have to be the worst. No birds here. The few grouse you come across are rabid and will attack your dogs. Michigan and Minnesota are much better. No birds here no need to come.

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Thanks Don. That is the way I do it, but I just always called it dizzying the pigeon. Didn't know there was a different term. Huh learn something new every day.

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So Sonny thinks the best GSP of all time is the EP? Where is Ross he should have a big smile on his face.

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The last thing I would consider when picking would be color. With that being said I do like the darker colors. Not much on the white color. Doesn't have to be solid, just dark. This is the last litter I picked from made it pretty easy. 4 solid liver and 3 solid black. http://i169.photobucket.com/alb...

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Don,
What do you mean by spaniel plant? I don't know if I ever heard this term before.

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Rusty had to be taught to point and Husser barely finished the dog, yet he has produced many many outstanding dogs and his lineage is still making an impact Blake why do you continue to repeat something you know not to be true? This is completely inaccurate according to both Ron Hermann and Ed Huss...

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Please don't give us the "original intent" argument. NAVHDA folks seem to believe that if a dog doesn't run deer for miles the dog isn't worth owning. I give up. If people want to put words in my mouth then whatever. All I said was I would go with a versatile as the best dog, and I get attacked. Al...

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Dave, I figured you and one other member here would be on shortly after DK was typed. First it has been explained to you and others many times why there are some non FCI dogs in some of the DK pedigrees. I don't care what the testing was at least dogs were and are held to a standard, unlike American...

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I assume you meant DK because this is about GSP and we were talking about European bred GSP's which would be DK's the majority of the time. You don't have to hunt fur just because you have a DK. The American bred GSP's can also hunt fur if you want to teach it. I don't hunt coon or hog or deer or mo...

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I look at it like this. If I wanted a dog that would track blood, then I would get a bloodhound. If I wanted a dog to track coon, then I would get a coonhound. If I wanted a dog to chase and corner boar, then I would get a pitbull or something similiar. If I wanted a dog to track and chase coyotes ...

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However, it is still in the eyes of the beholder and nothing more. The people who are enamored with the European bred dogs will think we have lessened the dogs. It seems to me that if you are happy with an efficient type dog with no regard as to style or speed then European is your cup of tea. But ...

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What standard are we using to judge who is the best GSP ever? Is it the original use for what the dog was created, or is it for a dog in NAVHDA, NSTRA, FT, or hunting dog etc... That is what makes the question so hard. There have been a lot of good and great dogs mentioned, I however would not put a...

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The dogs are getting better. I bet if we could see some dogs from 100 years ago we would not think much of them. They were graded to a lower standard than we are today. There are some great dogs today no doubt. However as a whole I would have to say the dogs a 100 yrs ago were better. This is as a ...

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I asked this question on a different board. What do you guys think? I got sick of catching wild pigeons and using them up right away. So I built a coop and put 7 freshly caught pigeons in it. This was at the end of March. I now have 17 pigeons in the coop. The 7 original and 10 that were born in the...

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Theresa wrote:
I have one friend who neutered her monorchid male, only to have him escape and tie her female - the dog with one nut that now has no nuts managed to produce a litter of 7 with the sperm that were still in his system!
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I have never heard of such a thing. How can that even be possible?

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If you want to use the dog as a hunting dog only, and don't plan on testing or totally breaking the dog. I say go for it. Like it was said earlier if you plan on putting a lot of time and money in the dog spend the money on some quality breeding. You said you would pay $200 dollars, why not put anot...

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[quote="Greg Jennings"] I think that the real difference and source of contention (HINT HINT!!) is in the testing/breed warden system of the DKK compared to the "free market economy" we have here in the US. I am not making this a DK VS GSP thing. What I am saying is there have been different lines I...

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ezzy333 wrote: I have always felt the only difference is what testing is done but the abilities and instinct is still there. They can be bred out in time but it takes a long long time.

Ezzy

I don't know how long it takes but the Weims seem to have showed this problem, with the show and hunt lines.

bondoron

I don't know much about Weims but it seems to me there isn't exactly a huge gene pool for hunting Weims. That being said, I don't see how it could expand and improve if people didn't breed for some of their own interests, still maintaining the standard of course. You can find all different types wi...

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As much as I want to say something. I will leave it alone.

Billy Ray wrote:Here's another one to get folks thinking. This dog is my dog's granddad.
And yes, he was DNA'd.

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adogslife wrote:you couldn't take white out if you tried.

Very true, it's not possible.

bondoron

Whoa there Greg, I wasn't saying I thought the white should be gone. I was just typing what I have read about it. I am not saying white should ever be taking out of the gene pool. That would be as much of a tragedy as black not being allowed.

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Greg, I know you are only giving the info as written in the books. The only time comformation comes into play tho is in the show ring (for GSP's). So I would consider it a show standard not a breed standard. If it is a breed standard then the dog should be disqualified as soon as it is born from bei...

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If it is a breed standard than why can the dog still be registered? Registration denotes that we know who the parents of the dog are. Nothing more, nothing less. So as long as I say the parents are both GSP's I can register a purple one if I want? Not much of a standard if you ask me. The standard ...

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Black is a dominant color gene. It is one of the easiest things to be rid of in a breeding program if you want. It can be absolutely eliminated in one generation if you wish. I don't know what went on in Europe, but there are a number of breeds which had established standards for some 40 or 50 year...

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This is what I have read about the black GSP. It was from the dogs originally sent to Dr Thorton of Wyoming as early as 1925 as well as Jack Shattuck of Minnesota, Joseph Burkhart of Wisconsin and Walter Mangold of Nebraska in the 1930s that our breed standard was written. Which is why black and tri...

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If it is a breed standard than why can the dog still be registered?

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Gary,
Thanks for the response, that is what I was wondering. Sounds like the black GSP thing going on then too.

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