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Duane M

IMy first thought is that I believe the decline of hunting lies in economy and land first. 50 years ago you could grab your dog, your gun and go out to lots and lots of public land and the cost was that of caring for (and feeding) your gun and dog. Now, in my area, there is no free land. Nowhere to...

Duane M

Yeah some are high but no more over priced than the 7500 bucks paid for a 9 month old puppy who has produced squat and the buyers of that pups offspring were and continue to be screwed as bad or worse than Wehle ever did in his decades. Worse is how many were culled litter after litter when that CH....

Duane M

This one got me curious so I pulled my logs for the last 10 years and went over them real good. When conditions were good the numbers were pretty equal to be honest among all dogs but the ones with more run did have more covey finds by almost 2-1 margin, singles were pretty even as were Pheasant and...

Duane M

Elhew I am yet to own, train or have bred a Miller dog not born with natural bird sense. When I ranked my Miller dogs third there only one reason for that from what I see and that's experience they came along in the poorest bird years in history of the state but have produced despite that fact. Mill...

Duane M

From my own dogs the two go to dogs when the chips are down, tough scent conditions especially, my two best are a Doublecross X Rebel bred and my line bred Elhew, next in line is my Miller dogs.

Duane M

Could also be that the dog does better on a cheaper food. Two of my own do much better on cheap old Diamond High Energy than they ever did on the more premium feeds, thats feeding the exact same amount. All depends on the dog, higher priced does not mean every dog does as well on a feed.

Duane M

Holy F&%k looks like things never change, still the same old same old. :lol: Claybuster one thing with Atkins is ketosis, which Atkins is reliant upon, takes place completely different in canines, be they wild or domestic it dont matter. While a human can go into ketosis in less than 24 hours, and i...

Duane M

Josh it sounds like a stroke to me from the symptoms and how quickly he died, possibly an anyeurism also. No matter what I know how you feel I held my 9 year old girl in July as she died much the same way at the house, the necropsy showed it was an anyeurism. My condolences.

Duane M

Greg if you have not joined up yet sign up on Crossfit for the WOD(workout of the day) That will whip you into shape both cardio and strength as well as help your flexibility. Or get ya tail into a Judo or BJJ class, that will do wonders for ya.

Duane M

Also what make a field trialer a nutrition expert? He was most certainly an expert on what effect nutrition has on performance. Scott the only problem with that is the amount of performance. Unless this person has competed, finished and won several multi hour events his experience relates mainly to...

Duane M

Ditto that!! Of all the people I have met in the dog world he is without a doubt the best. While many in this game want something from you all he does is give, be it advice, friendship or just talking BS for a few hours no on has been as approachable and open as he is. Want some funny storys ask abo...

Duane M

On the training issue, yeah the SCS was started after Delmar retired 30 years back or so, last I talked to him he told me around 80 was the last time he broke a dog from start to end. Tommy who took over the Edmond kennel and trained most all the great Ch associated with the family after Delmar reti...

Duane M

Just a point so no one gets confused. The Smith Bros. make cough drops while Rick, Delmar's son, and Ronnie Smith, Delmar's nephew, are the cousins who put on the seminars about the training methods they learned from Delmar first hand and not by reading a book. Ezzy Too funny and thanks for the gen...

Duane M

First, Tarrant transforms Delmar into a larger than life literary character that only really exists in pages of his book. All the stories about the bowman's knot on the truck bumper, ice cream cones on a hot day, watching the sunsets, imagining Delmar in New York City, driving his broken down pick-...

Duane M

Yeah I knew what ya meant, just adding some levity to the conversation. Outta curiosity whats your protein supp of choice?

Duane M

Nah they are bitchy I think because of the lack of fats I think :lol: . People would be real surprised to see what some BB walk around at when not in comp. A couple of HW I know are pretty dang fat actually, but with plenty of muscle, till 8 weeks out hit. I know myself it's the lack of carbs that m...

Duane M

Anything over 60% of the dogs daily kcal intake I would say is excessive. No science to back this up though. I only know human nutrition and this works for bodybuilders, which I am. I would say your not far off but would probably go 70 for dogs since their digestive system is geared to a higher pro...

Duane M

Ezzy you need to study proteins a bit. No vegetable source is a complete protein, corn for example lacks Lysine and Tryptophan which are essential amino acids. Vegans for example must combine vegatable protein sources in order to acheive a full amino acid profile, examples of this are beans and rice...

Duane M

Ezzy what the corn allergy is an allergy to the INCOMPLETE PROTEIN in corn. Allergies are most often protein related in any food allergy, milk, nuts, shellfish all those are protein related but still caused by the specific food and amino acid profile of that food source. Try again.

Duane M

Claybuster AA said:
Dogs are not allergic to corn

Oh really? I know at least three vets who will argue that one with you. But your entitled to your opinion.

Duane M

I knew I had seen that place before!! Just so ya know I have been going to the panhandle since the 70s and hunted all over it the, Texhoma area included. My uncle was a pipeline welder so we had access to lots of ground all over the place, the birds in that pic I bet ya are descendants of ones we hu...

Duane M

Looking at the pics I gotta ask if that first shot is on the private land you mentioned. I KNOW that spot I swear.

Duane M

Not sure what your laws are on "working dogs on wild birds" in your state but here it is actully illegal to do so. I know its tough to just sit and wait till hunting season to pursue wild birds and use pen raised birds but this time of the year it can be detrimental to wild birds. Many young birds,...

Duane M

ezzy333 wrote: If you are calling Purina they no longer make Purina Dogfood. You need to call Nestles.
Ezzy

Yes I know that Ezzy, Nestles took over in 12-01.

Duane M

Why is that info important on a dog food and not on what you eat? Seems strange, but I do know the dog food has a lot more nutrition in it than the breakfast cereal we eat and feed our kids. But no one is half as concerned about what the kids are eating. Ezzy Ezzy that is apples to oranges if I hav...

Duane M

Big Dave wrote:So........how much protein is too much?

I doubt anyone on here really knows Dave, best I could say is adjust to the level of work the dogs are doing.

Duane M

brdhntr wrote: Different in a good way?

Not at all like Bosco said you basically get a call center. I have called other feed cos and talked to actual staff nutritionists and on stafff vets, the big P is the only one I did not get beyond the gates.

Duane M

http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/show-product.php?formulation=sa this one as well, open the PDF lower right hand corner This is a fine example of a company going beyond the minimum to inform their customer, compare that to the Purina site. I can't even find a product ingredient list on their s...

Duane M

Cryptococous(sp?) is also a risk Dave, usually only in a dog with a weakened immune system but you never know.

Duane M

Chip all my own dogs are Pointers but I have had two labs in for FF work over the years who had corn allergy and the owners brought thier own foods due to the allergy. Previous to finding out about my own girls allergy, which is genetic apparently as they are sisters, I was feeding Diamond Premium I...

Duane M

Actual food allergies are quite rare but 90% of them are allergies to the protein. An allergy to a grain is almost non-existant even though you hear about them quite often.. But it has been proven to be pretty much an old wifes tale. Ezzy Ezzy I have three vets who will all argue that one with you ...

Duane M

Same with the Corn Gluten which is largely a by-product of the Ethanol industry and is an excellent animal feed Ezzy Don't forget it is also a great herbicide and fertilizer as well pesticide additive. :lol: Also corn gluten meal is the by-product after the manufacture of corn syrup or starch, not ...

Duane M

Fat for long term endurance, and to an extent heat tolerance, protein for muscles of course and carbs for short term endurance. Bioavalability of the sources is the most important.

Duane M

Keep trying, some dogs take a bit longer and some dogs never will road from an ATV, dragging/forced does not help on those dogs in the least either I have been there done that before and will not do it again. One thing you can try that may help is to have someone walk ahead of the ATV that the dogs ...

Duane M

Looks like a refreshing change of pace to me and for a rough cut it's better than a heck of alot of shows out today. I recognize that Pointer from somewhere

Duane M

If you have a girl friend or wife let them take the dog for a run and see what it does without you along that will tell you if its your presence, If the dog reacts well with others I would think accidental overcorrection or a misunderstood correction with the ecollar it associates with you. also ec...

Duane M

Hate to ask this one since it could open a can of worms with some people but do you use and Ecollar on him and how close to being stimulated with a collar did this happen.

Duane M

I used to feed the Chicken Soup actually and while a good feed no doubt it was not as good when the dogs are working hard. I had to up the amount too much for my taste during hunting/guiding season on CS which I did not have to with the TOTW. The CS I do feed to some of the older dogs during off sea...

Duane M

Duane, what do you feed... Taste of the Wild High Prarie formula. I've raised the last three litters off this from before they were whelped as well as my adult dogs, it's the best I have fed and Lord knows I have fed most all of them over the past couple of decades. Several of my training customers...

Duane M

. I have just found that over the past 25 years that "expensive" dog food was actually cheap, especially when you factor in how much you feed. I know people feeding Orijen that go about 1 cup per 50lbs. My neighbors Porti eats only 1.5 cups of Canidae a day and he is 55lbs. On the spot bosco. I res...

Duane M

The tibetans were "made" by B&D Game farm and are better than the Pharoah/Coturnix quail for training but still not as good as a Bob is for the most part, B&D made the breed by crossing a Pharoah with another type of Coturnix from what Bert the owner told me. You can get them to recall somewhat but ...

Duane M

Quail Forever.

Duane M

where is packsaddle in relationship to black kettle Packsaddle is due North of Cheyenne about 30 miles or so. . I also heard from my affiliation with Quail Unlimited that they were doing some great things over around I believe it was Altus or Ada in the way of habitat restoration in order to restor...

Duane M

Much better chance at Packsaddle than Kettle, but even it is very much an experience issue nowdays. There are some birds on Kettle but the pressure is so heavy they move off the public lands quickly onto the private lands. I guided at a ranch that is next to Kettle the last two seasons and we had mu...

Duane M

The economy is killing everyone. I highly doubt many people are buying pups or dogs right now. I have heard that many breeders and trainers are not doing so hot right now. I would bet that this guy is in the same boat. Your on the money there. The man I work with has been in the bird dog biz for ov...

Duane M

Doanes is a company with a good reputation, at least in the past Ezzy ya may wanna check that out. Doanes was responsible for a large outbreak of Aflatoxin several years back that killed many dogs in Texas, La, and Ok I know one kennel alone that lost 52 dogs from it. More dogs died from it than the...

Duane M

SLO ROLL check your PMs.

Duane M

Makes more sense now, from your first post it sounded like you had fed it very seldom, not for years. I agree on Enhance, I got three cases of sample pack of it from a rep at a seminar I did and was real pleased with it but have no dist for it nearby.

Duane M

Tommyboy it's a long way from Texhoma to where these pics were at and trust me the ground aint nothing the same. There a few areas that look like it from a distance for sure like Pastita pasture on Beaver but up close the similaritys end real quick. That one great thing about our state, travel a few...

Duane M

Ross Young I have Dagger Dance in my living room, one of my favorites.

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