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For the clicker clique:
Let's say the wind is blowing 10+ mph and your dog is say 30-40 yards out and he does somthing specatular. How do you use the clicker to let him know he did good?

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I believe it's the times when you're not happy, tired, impatient or _____ that the dog cues on as well as when your happy. I agree. That's why I don't train when I am not in the proper mood. Being self aware is an important part of dog training, in my opinion. How commands are given is no small thi...

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Your voice carries baggage whether you realize it or not. Partial agreement on this one. Voice carries baggage if the trainer does not know how to use it properly. This is no different than an ecollar, leash, or clicker for that matter. It takes practice. My four-legged girl (daughter according to ...

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Recall enforcement outsided = Check Cord. Why do you let him ignore you outside? Put a check cord on him and when he refuses, check him! It sounds like this may be your first dog. If it is, get a book asap(there are a lot of good ones out there) and put it into practice before you go any further and...

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In your trainer's shoes, I would give the same advice. Given that your 2 yr old is just going through her second season, you probably don't have her nailed down tight yet. Dogs learning from other dogs goes both ways and I have seen a pup goad a young dog into behavior that they know is wrong but we...

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My method is similar to Ray's stop to flush except I like to start at heel with a clipped wing bird in my pocket. I toss the bird and immediately whoa the dog with the leash. If he stands quietly until the bird hits the ground then I send him and he gets the retrieve. If not, I walk him back to the ...

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Reading this post reminds me of so many I've read in the past. A whole summer spent on nothing but birds and the kennel command? While I love the fact that so much time has been spent with birds, the real problem is that so little time has been spent with obedience. I simply will not introduce birds...

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Solved it by covering the traps with dead grass. Dead grass is great but can be hard to find at time's. The strips can be covered with dead grass if it's there. I think what the covering does is quiet's the bird down and stops it from struggling. +1 covering it also help discourage sight pointing t...

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u will never have a broke dog in a months time. And if the trainer you are seeking says so. My advice is run! +1 It's a little late in this case, but quite often a buyer is money ahead to purchase a dog that is already trained to the desired level. All the cost associated with raising and training ...

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I start very young dogs out with a kid's cap pistol while I am playing bird games with the pup. I transition to the primer only shotshell like someone else suggested and finally to live rounds. I use a live bird when I go to the primer but it is a clipped wing bird so it wont' get away. I try to tim...

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Thanks!

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How solid is he on whoa? Can you whoa him in the field without any real pressure?

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How big is too big?

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I posted this a day or so ago and somehow it got deleted so here it is again. And I have played games with with some 20 retrievers and spaniels, including tug of war with no harm done. Somebody writes this stuff and it gets repeated as gospel. I was not quoting anyone else's "gospel" when I suggeste...

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I know the site had problems yesterday. Even though it is running today there seems to be a number of posts missing from the threads. Does anybody know what happened? I sent a message to the administrator but have gotten no reply.

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Neil wrote:please look it up before correcting me

Sorry if you found it insulting, I only meant to disagree with you, not insult your vocabulary.

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Wolters was not a dog trainer -- he was a writer. Wolter was dogmatic.... his pack leader stuff is nonsense, :| whoadogheavesaheavysigh :| No other author seems to evoke so much emotion as Wolters. I don't understand why but, let's deal with each of these statements one at a time. Assertion 1: Wolt...

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That said, the Wolter's methods are quite dated. Maybe, but some things never go out of style. Imo, ideas like (paraphrasing Wolter's here) spend some time with your dog every day, be fair and consistent, don't enforce what you haven't taught, expect and require your dog to obey commands that have ...

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Will S&J or someone who agrees with him please give me a more exact definition of what you mean by place oriented? I'm not sure we are participating in the same discussion. Also, since qualifications seem to be a part of this thread, more on me: I started out in hounds with my dad around the time I ...

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If you take a pup and do all the obedience in the same place than that's where it is most obedient I respectfully disagree. My definition of "place oriented" is apparently different from yours. My definition of place oriented is that the dog associates commands/reinforcement with the 2'x2' piece of...

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Those of you who have read Evan's book, does he use the wing on a flyrod approach like Wolter's?

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OK I'm not saying that timing and reading a dog are not important just that if you use these 4 things you can get your timing and reading a dog down. Wow, I completely misunderstood the intent of this thread. I thought we were sharing different things that are often misunderstood by people trying t...

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I don't know if it's the "best kept secret" but it certainly is not something most people think about. A handler should almost never give a "single" command. Commands are usually paired with a release command, ie "whoa" and "move on" or "ok" go together or "recall" and "huntemup", "kennel" and "out"...

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DogNewbie wrote:e...because it wouldn't be doing their business much help.

LOL!! Unless they are just trying to sell puppies.

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Anybody else thinking that post may have been intended to drive traffice to their youtube and website?

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I don't think your dog needs FF at this stage. What typically happens with dogs like yours, usually first timers, is that you play lots of games early with toys. Pup retrieves bumpers, socks, sticks, crow bars, everything but birds. So, when pup is about a year old and you throw that first bird out ...

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Ooops, posted before I was done. Sorry. I am confused by your use of the whistle, if that is what it was. A whistle command should be given with the same authority as a voice command.

Did you really want him to sight-point the bird?

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Quail Hollow Kennels? Is your expertise in breeding and conformation? Do you actually train bird dogs professionally or is it just a hobby or byproduct of the breeding program? Please don't take this wrong, because that is not my intention, but I felt like I was watching some handler errors. +1 When...

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Wow, two weeks and no response. While you are waiting for your gsp to grow enough for the trainer, do just basic obedience stuff right now. I would not recomment teaching "sit" as a pointer will sometimes try to sit when you are teaching "whoa". More important than teaching pup, though, is teaching ...

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smittty wrote: nothing wrong with what your doing in my eye's.. keep it up just go slow ..I start the suitcase method at 8 weeks just for a minute or two a night while watching tv ..as he gets older it will become more formal that's when the pinch collar come in Nothing wrong in my eye either but I...

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Do you keep your dog in the house and, if so, is she crated at least part of the day?

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"Never give a command you cannot enforce" is another way of saying that control begins very close and is then extended through various tools. Initially, commands like recall are given in a closed environment or to a pup so small it can't get away from you. Later, a transition is made to a cc and fin...

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If you have something working well for many days in a row and then you set it aside for say a week of pouring rain, do you ever see dogs that do great and pick up right where you left off, vs dogs that seem to have to go almost back to square one each time? My experience is that once it converts to...

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In my experience, the "kennel" and "out" commands are the most under-trained command I see. People create problems for themselves in a couple of ways. They only put the dog in the run/pen when they are done training. The dog quickly learns that when he goes into the pen, he will be there for hours o...

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I actually have to check cord her in and physically take the bird from her. How are getting the bird out of her mouth? Tug of war is a bad idea. When I have one that won't release the bird/bumper, I grab the loose skin that runs from the rear thigh to the belly and pull it until they spit what's in...

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we also have a childs cap gun we shoot at feeding time since they were young. maybe we are just real lucky No, you are not lucky. The cap gun at feeding time is what builds the foundation for the trip to the gun club. If everyone using the "gun club method" laid the ground work as you have, there w...

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Depends on the dog. I have trained dogs steady to wing and shot from the get-go. I've also had dogs that I am certain would have folded up if I had pushed the issue with them. The secret is being able to read the dog and know how much they can take without significantly degrading their style. There ...

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stay (going good), and come (not so much) With a pup that young, my trick for teaching recall is to give the command when the pup is just a short distance away (10 feet or so) and then backpedal as quickly as I can away from the pup. This uses the pup's natural desire to "play chase" to get them st...

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http://www.thekennel.biz/
He's in eastern Kansas but he is very good with starting young dogs.

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I used a choke chain for years for heel training and got good results. But, the more I trained and understood my role in the training relationship as well as how dogs learn, I have found that a 4' lead and a plain old 1/2" flat dog collar work just as well. Technique is everything. The tools of the ...

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At the risk of censure, I would pass along information from one of Richard Wolters' books that can help build the dog's confidence. Wolters suggested that since the hunter will be following the dog in the field, during these "puppy walks" the hunter should always be facing the dog. Covering ground i...

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Munster wrote:By chance where you taught how to train dogs from Si Robertson?

I'm afraid not. But, if he wrote a book about gundog training I have probably read it. Who is Si Robertson?

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Make sure you understand the basic concepts of dog training and then train a few minutes every day.

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royta wrote:What word do you use instead of "no"? I've read using "aaaaaa" is good to use.

I use "hey, hey, hey" and if they don't respond by the third "hey" they get a heavy dose of the ecollar. Funny how often I get to the second "hey" and the dog is changing its mind.

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I am leaning towards a puppy because I view the dog as a family member as well and would like it to grow up with me. Puppies are fun. I don't have any contacts in your area but I would suggest you look for a breeder/trainer within about 200 miles with young dogs, 6-9 months old, for sale that have ...

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My 100+ pound lab might not keep up with your pointer but he would sure enough flatten when he ran over the top of him to get to the bird your dog stopped to look at!

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Are you planning on purchasing a puppy, started dog, or perhaps even a finished dog? Sometimes spending the money to get one that you can hunt right out of the box makes good sense and minimizes risk. You can see exactly what the dog is made of, how it hunts, obvious faults it may have, so on and so...

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for some it is not just a fetch exercise it is an establishment of dominance and or control as a manner for enhancing other training and behaviors. Great response all the way around. I agree in whole. This particular quote is precisely what I was referring to earlier. Sometimes the dog needs to be ...

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topher40 wrote: Use pliers, even ceramic tile nippers for the most stubborn of dogs that dont respond. I really hope this is meant as a joke. When I was first taught force breaking, the word "pain" was used. The the first step in the technique was to make the dog uncomfortable enough, read that: in...

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The dog will soon learn that obeying the FETCH command will get rid of the discomfort from the ear pinch. NOTICE that I said 'discomfort' --- and not 'pain'. I agree 100% that this should be the goal. I am a much better trainer now than I was when I broke the one really tough dog I had. Looking bac...

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