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At the end, when I bring him the bird, you describe his reaction as "starts to crumple". You see his reaction as a result of trainer induced pressure to make him steady. That's a mouthful right there. So, did the dog go to a trainer to get started before you? You had the dog for 6 weeks, that makes...

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Things with dogs, can be very simple, if you let them be. That could possibly go over a lot of heads. The easiest way imo, to answer the statements made....... If you don't understand the method, your working with, or using...........the dog wont either. I think it would be hard to help, or teach .....

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+1, thanks S&J.
Patience, is probably, one of the hardest things in life, to build. We all, have problems with it sometimes!! <BG> Thanks Jonesy

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Amen, I loved the post, Thanks Jonesy

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Hey Don, it isn't a bad thing that the homers sometimes just land on the ground right there. Ex specially, when your focused on the steady work. What could happen, if you let it..........dogs on point, thinks dad is going to go up an flush, and the bird flies off.........but this time, without the d...

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Yea, as close as you are, Maurice Lindley would be a good one, on watching and seeing it happen. He is just outside of Greenville South Carolina. You can friend me on fb, and look at some of my videos on there. Its not set private, but don't know if you can look at, or not. My face book is Dave Jone...

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I was kinda scared to put this up. I kinda felt you all would argue, and tell me why the books cant be bought there. LOL, You can get the book at Lion Country, or Gun Dog Supply. Maurice and Martha Greenlee, are out. Back to work!!
Thanks Jonesy

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At his/her age, traps wont be a benefit. Your timing wont be right on the bird flying. You will possibly create other boogers. Dog has to learn how to put things together, nocking will help, along with pointing and killing. Thanks Jonesy

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Sitting most times, is caused by pressure, or confusion. The dog sounds pretty smart. Thanks Jonesy

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Well, if you don't understand it, your dog wont either. Always remember that. When things are simple for you, they will also be simple for the dog. A dog doesn't understand English, but it will always read your eyes, voice, and touch, in a positive way, or negative way. You have to figure out, how i...

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Daddy always said, "its not what you do, but how you do it." When you have a dog, and you put the bird in your hand, and let dog mess with, and or toss for it, and then let it get it. You have opened a door of excitement, and desire, for the dog.......you also, got the dog to want to pick up, be les...

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I fixed it on my post, but cant on your quote!! Lol!!
That was good way to put things, IMO, Thanks Jonesy

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You know, I have met quite a few trainers and pro handlers. Someone made the comment that the only thing two dog trainers will agree upon is that the third is doing it wrong. When professionals are confident in themselves I have not found that to be the case. Quite the opposite, the best are usuall...

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I question, what or why, the dog doesn't want to come in or out of the box. There isn't a need for a program, or ecollar, to get your dog to kennel, or come out of.....to me, that's trust between you and the dog. but very separate question from what's going on here. I put that question up, because i...

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What's going be the fix, or helper on the fix, when the kennel area, becomes a hot spot? And dog becomes very nervous around it? Or wants to blink it totally, because it cant do anything right, when it deals with it? Just curious? Thanks Jonesy

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that's the number I passed, deltas pets first. Thanks Jonesy

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Just as easy to use a bird. Going in, or coming out. Thanks Jonesy

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Delta's number 1-888-736-3738. coming from the west, not for sure how they route. From Lexington going west, fly to Atlanta, have 1 hr overlay there, and then direct to destination. Have received several dogs, with United flights, no problems. Have never shipped with, I have always used Delta. The l...

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Dogs read your eyes, voice, and touch. They don't most of our what's, and why's. People, don't understand that. You need to adjust, to help the dog. Baby steps, and patience, will help the work between you two. The style might look like disappears for a bit, but it usually doesn't.........dog don't ...

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I will do some stop to flush.......you have to adjust yourself to what the dog says.....meaning, what are you all gonna do when the dog gets sticky on ya.....and is pointing everything? There is a new can of worms. I like stop to flush work, when the dogs aren't smelling, or wanting to catch a dog w...

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You always have to adjust yourself, to each dog. You never get the "whole story"...........everything with a dog, happens for a reason. You need to try and have an open mind, look outside the box, at times....and try an figure things out. A lot, have a tendancy, to over look things, the dog is sayin...

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I disagree. Now is the time more than ever to help the pup learn what is espected

Isnt that what I had tried to talk on, to help, the owner, and the dog? Or, are you talking about others trying to make it happen? Thanks Jonesy

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Leave a longer checkcord on his/her neck. Do as the others say......doesnt have to be strong here. Help the dog understand that "here" is an ok place. With the longer cord attached, and going into the retrieve work.......let him do the retrieve, and get the checkcord in your hands. Ask him to come h...

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PM'd ya Thanks Jonesy

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Come on down if ya want, we will play with a few things, to see whats up. I am about 1 1/2 hr south, from Cinn. Doors open if ya want. Or PM your number, and we can try an talk on phone or something. Thanks Jonesy

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My pointer was near 9 mos before she stopped and pointed a bird. This pup is only 7 mos old. That's near 9 mo, right? Just keep giving it opportunities and the pup should come around. Isnt that what he is doing going up to Maurice's place? Heck, what a better opportunity.....new grounds, new scenar...

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Kate is a good one, plus she is upfront, and honest. Thanks Jonesy

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Labman, I also read where Maurice invited you up. That is a great offering. It will be worth the drive, my word on that. He will share lil things with you, that will help you learn, and or understand things, alot better. Myself, I would take a notebook, and a good pen, there will be some things whil...

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Well, if he will bark at you, that says alot right there. Think on this......so you tell him to be quiet........that means dont move your mouth. And its flagging so, now its not moving its mouth, its moving its tail......See?? I bet......I would let him go on point, soon as he does, walk over an tap...

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Tap him and let him nock it. Control the chase, and dont let much at all happen with that. But let him rip the bird outta there. Heck, stand back, and wait him out. You stand there, and dont do anything, one of two things will happen..........he will leave point and come look for you, or he will noc...

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No, follow somewhat, with whats said. Because in this situation with a older dog, with birds and hunting, its new. So would be more like the puppy. It has no idea what its doing or why. Its all about patience, fairness and fun. Short and simple. Thanks Jonesy

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Without watching the dogs action, and re-actions. Its hard to pass on advice. Thats why I suggested tossing the dead one, it will show if there might be a bird booger with pen birds, or would show, that the dog is just playing around and isnt serious. Either way, would tell us a little bit more of t...

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Toss her a dead one, an let her pick it up an carry. Let me know private or public what she does, and or how she acts. Thanks Jonesy

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Distance is trust, like Slistoe hit on a little bit. When you trust your dogs work, in front of you with pigeons, then start to add distance. When you start the adding, myself, I want the trap - launcher stuff, pretty much done. Reason being, you have no possibly way to tell what your dog is doing, ...

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I think in the dogs mind, its all about the chase. Why do I have to point.......when I know I can chase. Would say there would be some check cord work involved, to fairly eliminate chase....for now. Once the point comes back or clicks in, you can start allowing the chase back again. Prey drive is in...

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Hey Don, that is good of you to help. I will also allow dogs that I am helping learn to back, also point during the drill. That way there is an "equal" between the two. You point, then I will, you point, then I will......rotate the driver. hahaha Thanks Jonesy

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Agree with most everything. but pen raised vs wild do matter on some dogs That is true, but the situation is different. Why I say, is because the wild birds will not let you fart around with them, like the pen will. So when the dogs gets in there farting around.........what happens? The bird gets n...

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So, why not nock it, and let her get it out of her system? If she stopped an pointed, she has it located, if she had the nock out of her, she wouldnt get jacked up.....until you arrive. She is spinning the revolver until you arrive, and then cocked an ready for trigger pull, when you are in sight or...

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If you sorta think on things in the dogs world. It has just gotten steadied, and threw alot of things that might really excite it. So, in the dogs mind it is trying to make the decision, should I nock this an watch it fly, or should I stand still, so I dont get in trouble with Dad? What to do, what ...

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Agree with Meller, "Training with Mo" it is very easy to understand, and will help out everyone on dog training. Thanks Jonesy

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What do you think would happen if you allowed her to nock it? Sounds like that what she wanting to do anyway. Thanks Jonesy

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What if you let him nock it, and then make the correction to stop. Sounds more like he still wanting to nock some. Bird styles dont matter, imo. Something sounds to have happened.........on the wanting to nock stuff, he isnt allowed to move his feet, only thing left is the tail. This make sense?? Co...

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I see where Don, had stated a little something different after re-reading all of this. That could put things in a different ball field. Hunting cop, pm me your number if you want, an we can talk on the phone, Thanks Jonesy

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Hey Charlie, just so there is no confusion, the catch, and or the chase are two totally different things. The catch is alot of times what happens to cause this lil booger. I know, or hope you meant different than how you typed it. When a dog isnt wanting to point, its .......in its mind, that it is ...

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It is a difference in dogs, and there thinkings. If they have been allowed alot of chase, with no control of it, or on it........why do the pointing. They have been allowed to do this. Now, sometimes it will occur, and sometimes it will get worse. Who knows, but if you arent paying attention, it wil...

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You cant teach it, but you can help the dog understand it. That is the difference. Most of the time all the chaseing is what causes the non-pointing. Why does it need to point when it knows it gonna get to chase in just a second. You change the amount chase for a short time, change the dog action an...

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I would also take the ecollar off of continuos. That is where the bad reaction from the dog is coming from....imo. I will not tell you what, why, or how, to work your dog, because that is a method you have to decide on. The one thing you will have to be careful of, imo, is if you use continuos on th...

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You never answered my question, is the collar set on momentary, or continuos? That will make the difference between reactions, between 8 seconds, or a blink of an eye. Now, I wonder on something. If you established things between you an the dog, and all is going well. Why would you take the ecollar ...

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Do you have the collar set on momentary, or continuous? That can make a big difference with the dog. Thanks Jonesy

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Good, glad ya fixed it. It worked ok for me, thanks Jonesy

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