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adogslife

It has been replaced with the fascination of watching dogs perform like athletes

There are different types of athletes,all of whom excel in their chosen sport.

adogslife

JKP,
Some people would consider that ruined.

adogslife

adogslife wrote: yet the process is proclaimed to be at odds to producing hunting dogs. I don't recall anyone ever saying this. slistoe wrote: Well, here is one for starters. birddogz wrote: Bob Farris would disagree with you completely. In fact he believes that FTs are ruining breeds. Doesn't say ...

adogslife

The best action you take take to fix the dog's issues is to pick ONE method you are comfortable with and follow it through.

adogslife

yet the process is proclaimed to be at odds to producing hunting dogs.

I don't recall anyone ever saying this.

adogslife

Like it or not,trials are the ONLY meaure of a bird dog which have credibility.

Why is that?

adogslife

Does shoulder lay,front/rear angulation,length of croup,length of back and loin have anything to do with performance?

adogslife

A lesson to be learned here.

I would give the dog a few weeks to get over this and then start fresh with a program like SmartFetch by Evan Graham.

adogslife

Do you think there is enough qualified judges with the knowledge of the 12 eligible breeds to make the decision? I really think you would have a hard time finding 1 judge that knew if a Sinone Italiano was preforming in the 98% percentile of his breed and judge that against a Werm that was preformi...

adogslife

How about having judges who are unbiased, who are experienced and knowledgable on the different breed styles and accept the differences? How about judging each dog against their standard of performance and placing the dog that best performs to their standard,instead of unfairly comparing each breed,...

adogslife

I know these are not what many here like but I prefer this type of head in pointers, GSPs, and Setters.

This is not the standard for GSPs or DKs.
It may be what you like to see but a dog must fall within the breed standard.

adogslife

While that blocky head may be more pleasing to the eye than your typical American GSP -
I do not prefer it and it is not typical of DKs.

adogslife

Ok, let's go with that.

adogslife

Yes, I have succeeded on de-popping them on TT.If done correctly, it doesn't happen often.

Can we get back to your original statements?

adogslife

I need to prove my training abilities to prove this statement bogus? :roll: : Once a GSP decides he is NOT going to do something, not even God can make him do it. This coming from a pro?: I think you picked the wrong dog. I'd have gone with a retriever. When it comes to forcing back on a pile, teach...

adogslife

What I meant on my thread was that many German dog's get bored to death on a wagon wheel or with casting drills Really? because you said this: gonehuntin' wrote: Here's the thing with using the german dogs for duck hunting: Many HATE rote training. When it comes to forcing back on a pile, teaching ...

adogslife

Fancy words and a quick wit... charming go flame evan, he flushed gonehuntin's claim let me know if i'm on to something here.... could it be you and gonehuntin' are attempting to convince the masses that v-dogs are incapable of learning handling,you know, like the retrievers, in an attempt to discou...

adogslife

crackered,

your such a drama queen
get over yourself

a pro recieves payment for services
a non pro recieves no payment

what makes one more capable than the other?

your extensive use of the english language is viewed as arrogant and you look like an "bleep",just sayin'

adogslife

how petty

adogslife

Really?
Gimma a break.

Any well bred,well trained dog can be trained to handle.

It's not a retreiver thing.

adogslife

Here's the thing with using the german dogs for duck hunting: Many HATE rote training. When it comes to forcing back on a pile, teaching baseball, running T's, Water force, it can be a real battle. Once a GSP decides he is NOT going to do something, not even God can make him do it. Your personal ex...

adogslife

Whats the breeding on your dog?

And there in lies the issue. You have a GSP and not a DK.

Never see any skinny DKs - do you?

(just a joke, let's not over react)

adogslife

I know 2 people who train their dogs to "whoa" to a shotgun closing. I should make them carry a semi or fake.

So what.
I know many people who train their dog not to move when a bird moves.
Should we use fake birds?

adogslife

If your dog came back to you trained to your agreement with the trainer, then you can put the weight on him easily.11 months the pup is still growing and they burn calories quickly. I would do a round of PanacurC or other good wormer. Easy to pick up worms in a kennel environment We don't know how m...

adogslife

It's simple: those not adhereing to the German breeding standards and produce pets have GLPs. Those willing to invest time, money, sell to hunting/testing homes and breed within the system have DLs. It is not difficult to understand that unless a dog is tested and bred according to strict standards ...

adogslife

markj, what test and what age was the dog at the time? In order for you to run the mock test (evaluation) several people need to agree to this.I seriously doubt that the judges would want to evaluate,for the sake of evaluation, a GSP that will not add to their breeding programs. With all honesty, I ...

adogslife

markj,
you missed my point on where did the dogs come from.

That Dr. was being polite. He was letting you run a mock test. Hats off to the good Dr.

adogslife

So then the DK in America was founded with what is said not to be the same breed by you all....C'mon, then tell me the difference between the two. Really, you can't answer this because they are one in the same. The DK in America was not founded by AKC GSPs. The difference has been stated by others ...

adogslife

Oh god! Could you imagine the sh*t storm that would rain down once one breed was declared the winner!!

It's how a dog works against a standard.
I've seen NAVHDA dogs who would do well in the German system.

adogslife

I can't say for sure. I was told the dogs were required to test.
I have confidence that they chose qualified dogs to breed.

adogslife

Now I see it. Hard the eyes.

adogslife

Sorry, don't see it.
Does it say PJ Wildfire?

adogslife

I just looked at the pedigree, what generation?

adogslife

I don't think Chance vom Riverwoods has any Ft dogs in his pedigree.

adogslife

You also find some American FT blood behind a couple of KS DK's. For a short time a few select dogs were allowed to be used as studs. Not sure if FT dogs produced dogs who went back to Germany to earn the KS title.Maybe. The NADKC, in it's infancy here in America , with much oposition, allowed cert...

adogslife

Vonzepplin says he thinks its BS that he can't run his dog in DK events, or register his GSP as a DK.

It's this feeling of exclusion that I mentioned in another post.
It gets under some people's skin.
A DK can run in any venue,buy DK and experience it all.

adogslife

DogNewbie, Are you his agent? Couple questionable facts markj. after ww2 them germans had little good blood to go on so they got a couple AKC dogs to breed back into their DKs . And just where did that GSP blood come from and what years was this taking place? It is fact they some GSP breeders did br...

adogslife

Hey von,
explain this:

A Zeppelin is a type of rigid airship pioneered by the German Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin in the early 20th century

adogslife

I use VON because this is AMERICA & I can use any darn thing I please & breed anything I please. Using a German word to announce your American breeding can make you look like a hypocrite,just saying. Why don't you use dogs with DK in them? Facts: breed wardens are a resource for breeders to use if ...

adogslife

Not many DKs are sold at higher prices,generally around $800 -$1,000. Is anyone guarenteed to get a better dog, that would depend on the individuals definition of better. The DK gene pool in America is smaller than desired due to some breeders not wanting to breed outside a certain line. Going to Ge...

adogslife

Why do you use the word "von" in your kennel name and do you own dogs with DK in the pedigree?

I have nothing against DKs

Thanks for stating this, from reading the content of your posts it is not obvious.

adogslife

WOW, some of you are way off base. VWD? Can someone name one DK who has this? how big a dog does it take to kill a fox,bobcat,or pig for that matter? DKs don't take down bobcat or pigs or any big game. Fox are small and I expect my DKs to take down coyote, which on average are 40lbs. Your probably r...

adogslife

Forgot about him, was thinking more recent years. He was imported with the KS title then went on to become a DC I think in 1985?
Ah,these DKs, never cease to amaze with thier abilities.

Ybold's owner also imported other Dks that went on to become FCs.

adogslife

KS & VC yes, I can't think of any registered DK breeder who has sought the FC title,MH,yes

adogslife

Now there's solid some advice

:roll:

adogslife

if you have never seen them force a dog into the water for the retrieve its something else.

No, I haven't, can you explain the process?

adogslife

Not sure what the trainer trained for and how long he had her?
Was she prepared to duck hunt?
Doesn't sound like you had the tools in place for a correction.
I would probably keep her and train her properly.

adogslife

The breed club will pressure him into giving the money back if he will not have a litter within the next 6 months or so. There are regulations to being a member of a breed club, he may risk getting thrown out if he continues to give a bad name to the breed and club. One other thing, don't let him br...

adogslife

whoa means don't move your feet
you can't train intensity
try not correcting a dog until they need correcting

adogslife

I got the sarcasm in your post
being you are new to gundog training,didn't know how much truth was in jest

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