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adogslife

I don't think anyone disagrees with any of this but, any bird dog needs to have the same tools . When a pup is born, weather of a grouse woods line or prairie lines, the pup does not know what a bird is or how it needs to be handled, hence a bird dog with all of what you describe will hunt any uplan...

adogslife

adogslife wrote: Is that all it takes? gee, and I thought nose,intelligence,drive, cooperation and exposure are the ingredients that make a quality wild bird dog. What was i thinking? To think, all I needed was a dog and wild birds! Exposure = birds. And it occurs to me that, with my dogs at least,...

adogslife

Gentetics.
As in born not made?

adogslife

adogslife wrote: ... Grouse,wild bird dogs are not made they are born... Really? I have always believed that it took birds to make a bird dog. I guess we should all stop developing and training and go look for that magical dog that is born knowing just what to do. Is that all it takes? gee, and I t...

adogslife

Check out
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you won't be disappointed

adogslife

The contacts posted are good prospects. The best way to get the dog you want is to KNOW that the patents ACTUALLY hunt the game you will be hunting - don't take someon's word for it. GO AND SEE the parents or at least the dam HUNT. Now is a good time to get on some grouse don't know where they will ...

adogslife

I think you best replys will come from versatiledogs.com

adogslife

adogslife

A good example of acclimating to the environment and good advice, get the prey drive in gear and you may see a different pup before you know it.

adogslife

The description says insecure. my pup is very "energetic" (the vet says "wild") and has a hard time focusing.....but is also very timid and seems to have his feelings hurt pretty easily. -he will come and whoa when nobody else is around...but if there are distractions he does not obey at all -when w...

adogslife

This is normal GSP behavior?
This pup is insecure.

adogslife

Are you referring to a self hunter?

adogslife

Once "pure breeding" was established the genes would most likely be eliminated from the pool.
I doubt today we would see these tri-colored genes.

adogslife

isn't that pretty much a standard DK color??

Is that what the standard says?

adogslife

Does anyone believe this to be a 100 year old gene that was masked?

adogslife

I didn't say pointers are incapable.

adogslife

No need to confirm that pointers have a nose and a dam good one at that!
Maybe we will start to see videos of pointers actually do such work. Instead of the usual tossed dummy in water and air scenting of birds.

adogslife

I have not run at the VC level and there in lies my error. I was under the impression that at the blind the dog was sent on a cast to the other side to retrieve a duck placed there. I had no idea there was an actual duck search in the water. Casting a dog would be too easy, of course they would incl...

adogslife

UT has shots at the water.
While the water blind can be a challenge, not too difficult to teach a dog to take a line. This is basic retriever foundation.

adogslife

Oscar

my post was not in reply to yours
I can see how you may have thought that

My post was in response to the many testimonials and videos posted over the years attempting to show versatile dogs working

adogslife

Eliciting prey drive is easy - fleeing prey - maintaining the drive is what separates the good from the not so good. Putting a dog on an unseen rabbit track and having that dog follow for a few hundred feet or even yards is what sepataes the versatile from the not so versatile. Searching for a duck ...

adogslife

http://www.trader.co.nz/versatiledogs/a ... derjag.htm

adogslife

I believe most dogs would be sufficient. Sufficient isn't good enough for me. Owner expectation and definition of versatile sets the bar for each dog.

adogslife

OOPS,I read that wrong.

adogslife

Ezzy wrote: Prey drive has never been in short supply in most dogs of most breeds. What traits are exhibited in a winning field trial dog that a hunting dog buyer should be looking for? A dog that slows at 9,10,11.... miles, can we not assume the dog is pacing itself, therefore continuing the cours...

adogslife

Prey drive is what keeps them running for that hour or two or three.

What proof is there?

adogslife

How much bird finding ability and bird handling ability is being judged in 1 hour stakes (or any Ft stake)
Most dogs under 4 years old have enough stamina and endurance to make it through a balls to the walls hour

I want to know if prey drive is being judged and how.

adogslife

Wagonmaster wrote: Spoken like a true DK person. False premise. Actually, a number of false premises. Field trial dogs are hunting dogs. We have nothing but in our hunting group, and seem to do pretty well. Also, most field trial pros don't breed, the owners breed. But that's not what this thread is...

adogslife

The arkwright Pointer was bred in to raise the head (and eye color which did not work). The DK had an exceptional nose(and still does),all tracking breeds do, due to the hound influence. The Germans wanted a dog that would air scent as well as ground scent. The Germans were not looking for a dog who...

adogslife

Did the Germans need more nose?
You are confusing wanting to raise the head with needing more nose.

adogslife

Have you contacted Evan Graham?

adogslife

Liver/brown dogs are b, blacks dogs are B.

adogslife

opinions vs. measurable standards.

I like that!

adogslife

JKP
that's a whole other level
There's a difference between a hand thrown mark in barely swimming depth water and blind duck search-(w/o a shot.)

Life jackets, folks,really????
Oh, the shame of it.

adogslife

Do I hear NAVHDA knocking?
Get that pup into a UT test,forget about field trialing

adogslife

Isn't a GSP just another DK?

adogslife

I too find the darker eye more appealing.
It must be selected for, tho.

No,not Gayla.
Just a DK enthusiast interested in color and inheritence.

adogslife

Eye color is not dependent on coat color.

adogslife

Most of the genes that are responsible for coat color are responsible to eye color. Eye color is not fully understood,yet. There are, I think, 8 known genes for coat color.Liver dilute dogs tend to have yellow eyes. Then there is the intensity of the eye color which is related to the dilution of eum...

adogslife

Eye color is connected to coat color?

adogslife

Interesting discussion. How much of the info being shared is strictly from reading books? Any knowledge to be shared from research with people in the DK world?

adogslife

It's all about the genes.
the 50lb NAVHDA bitch bred to a 60lb horseback wild bird dog indicates nothing to me.
if breeders breed nose,drive and cooperation the rest is in the hands of the person training the dog.
A dog has to want to seek game.

adogslife

I've not heard DK breeders claim the infusion of pointer blood is the reason for not registering AKC. AKC holds no value to many folks, a registry with no concern for a breed. The GSPCA does little,if anything to maintain the versatiliy of the breed. It is seen by many as an organization geared to p...

adogslife

It all depends on what you want and need. The DK has been bred with an emphasis on versatility. Many hunters don't want it nor need it. I have yet to see one DK that didn't point. The high head,high tail point is not typical of a DK. DKs do point with intensity, with a well bred DK every aspect of t...

adogslife

There's a reason people are seeking out DKs. Most brag about the DKs in their GSPs pedigree. Can't say what was going on with that breeder. Sorry for the negative experience. What I believe happens is that people get sold on the testing and the quality it produces, or can produce,and make it a way o...

adogslife

If you are expecting a dog to hunt wild birds, then wait until after one or two hunting seasons.

adogslife

GSP's just do not have cold water endurance, neither do any of the other "versatile" pointing breeds.

You are making a gross overstatement when you say neither do any of the other "versatile" pointing breeds.

Just not true.

adogslife

Undercoat is not mentioned in any standard
pg 53 in der Deutsch Kurzhaar mentions the desireable coat

adogslife

Some GSPs are likely to have less of an undercoat compared to DKs and some GSP may not have one. GSP or DK, I would use a neoprene vest or towel dry them between retrieves.

adogslife

huntcrazed,

there are a few impressive litters on the NADKC site. IMO, these breedings make importing unnecessary.

adogslife

It would be nice if some folks new the difference between tracking and trailing.

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