Gun Dog Forum

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Bird dogs are born,not made.Think how much better off we would be if only natural bird dogs were bred.The best bird dogs I have seen needed very little training.Too many people breed dogs that needed a ton of training to be even a half a$$ed bird dog,and they pass on half a$$ed pups.You are right,it...

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Thank's for all the replies.I am feeding him a couple of eggs every day besides his dog food,he seems to like eggs pretty well,so maybe I can put a little meat on his bones.I'm hopeing he fills out,and I can kill a few birds over the old boy this season.I guess he has been a real dandy bird dog in h...

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The guy said he was feeding the old dog Eukanuba,but right now I am not putting too much faith in anything I was told.I am feeding him Diamond green bag which I have always had good luck with.I can't tell any weight gain yet,but I have had him less than a week,but he does seem more energetic which m...

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I have hunted with both,and the recoil diffrence is very slight.There is nothing wrong with a 28,but I wont own another.You are just giving twice as much for shells with no benefit.

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I took an old male pointer in over the weekend.He is 9 1/2 yrs. old.This old dog is skin and bones,the guys story was that he kept this dog thin like this because he would get big as a horse if you let him.I now dont believe this to be the case.He also told me this dog will gulp his food down,throw ...

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When I saw the subject of this thread,it made me smile thinking of a pointer I had years ago.Anytime I hunted the pointer beside a cow pasture,I would get to see him honor.You know how cows will stand and stare at you,well being on the other side of the fence,it looked to my pointer that they were p...

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I have had a 410 for a few years and haven't had any trouble with it.Unlike most of the expensive guns,it has a frame built to scale,not 410 barrels hanging on a 20 gauge frame.It's a pretty sweet,streamlined little gun,I've put down birds with it.

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I had a solid liver gsp years ago.I bought him as a pup and he had been eating ol roy hi pro so I kept him on it.He grew like a weed and people commented on what a nice slick coat he had.I do agree that they seem to crap more of it than they eat though,the regular ol roy in the red bag not quite so ...

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I have always wondered,who actually makes Ol Roy dog food?

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That's a nice looking pup,hope he turns into a dandy bird dog for you-I was one of the ones that had a dud King dog,but have enough sense to know they surely aren't all duds.While I dont think the practice of breeding unregisterable dogs is a good practice,especially on the scale of the King dogs,I ...

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Some say how they have done so much for the Llewellin setter,but might the exact opposite be true? Now we have a bunch of unregisterable setters out there.

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I had one,and I gave it away as a pet.I fooled with it for a year and it never showed any hunting desire.Never pointed anything.I'm sure they put out some good ones,but they are a puppy mill,and put out a LOT of pups.I personally don't think you can reliably evaluate what you have when you have that...

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You are right about that,should have stated mostly white.I want little coloring.Just like the looks of a white pointer.Might go with a lemon and white with very few markings.

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I am looking for a solid white pointer pup out of good hunting dogs,not really hung up on male or female,would consider either.I'm in Mo. and dont want to fool with flying a pup.Thank's.

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Looked at thier site today for the heck of it,and was surprised to see that they are selling off most of thier dogs due to health reasons.Looks like they have bred for a lot of ticking and color over the years,they are some ugly looking setters in my eyes,but some might think they are beutifull.I ha...

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Well enlighten us all knowing one.

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You sayin if we would eat buttholes and beaks we might live longer?

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Think about the breakdown of that $20. bag of feed we buy--Out of that 20 bucks the manufacturer and the seller made profit-advertising and packaging the product-shipping the product-labor cost to make the product-cost of running machines to make the product{electricity and or fuel}-cost of ingredie...

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There is some nasty stuff going in dog food.Common sense will tell you that your not getting much of a quality product for 20 bucks for a 50lb. bag. I have heard that even chicken feathers are used.I talked to a guy who worked in a hog processing plant,and he said even the undigested food in the ani...

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I saw a quail shiskabob itself on a tree branch when it flew on the covey rise.

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The way I look at it is this-If the pup was learning the hunting game from his momma,would she wait a year to teach it anything?In the old days some people would just let puppies run loose with thier momma,they would follow her around in the fields and a lot of the pups were trained very young to po...

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Rick Hall wrote:So how did you teach your quail not to crap in their feed and water?

I just tell the quail not to do it,they are a lot smarter than pigeons

Honestly I never had a problem with quail,they seem to rather not crap in thier food and water.I think pigeons like the added poop flavor.

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Hello, I am starting to train my young GSP for NAVHDA. In order to give her a taste for birds, I was told to give her a non-game bird and let her do whatever she wants with it. Well in general conversation, I asked somebody if I could buy a pigeon for that purpose. That person replied saying, "You ...

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Heck,I have had 8 month old pups trained and killed wild birds over them that they found themselves.I start them retrieving as soon as I get them to start coming to me.The old timers used to say dont even fool with a dog until it's at least a year old,but that idea has been pretty much discarded for...

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Bum deal-why does something always happen to the good ones,but a worthless one will live forever?

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I have used both,and they both are fine for working dogs,but I personally wont fool with pigeons anymore because they are a lot dirtier than quail.They will crap any and everywhere.They will stand on the waterer and crap in the water,stand on the feeder and crap in the food,and they crap 5 times as ...

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I would find a good trainer close to where you live.Show up one day and offer your services to volunteer to help out and learn.For a little elbow work around the kennel,and helping out with the dogs,you might very well make a new friend who could teach you a lot.

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It was opening day of bird season,and myself and 3 friends were hunting a heavily hunted state conservation area known for good pheasant hunting.We were almost back to the truck from our morning hunt,everybody tired,I told my buddies I wanted to hunt the corner section close to where we were parked....

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My dog locked up and pointed hard,I stepped in to put up the bird and up came a covey of quail.I picked out a bird and was swinging hard to my left on this bird when my gun barrel hit a quail heading to the right.The quail did a couple of somersalts in the air,then straightened out and went on-needl...

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Anyone ever tried the safe guard horse wormer paste?

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Dang,I ticked of the Llewellin people and now the Pointer people-Thank's for the luck on my new pup and congratulations on your dogs-by the way,how many feet of log chain do I need to start out with on my new pup to slow him down? Just kiddin'

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I like the way some of the pointer breeding is going now days.I have shyed away from pointers for years because of the big run in a big percentage of them,but with the popularity of the walking trials,I think a guy has a better chance now of getting a good foot hunting dog than in years past.I am no...

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If you want to beat the best,do you want to keep using the same thing everyone else has?

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I have seen pups out of 2 different litters of pointer/brittany crossed dogs and they all turned out to be good hunters.If the parents hunt good,the crossed pups should too.

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Will valbazen work for giardia and coccidia? If so what would be a good dosage amount?

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I dont think discussing is argueing.That's how we learn things is by discussion.I think the issues I brought up probably helped some people figure this Llewellin thing out a little better,and sort thru some of the implied information out there.You could have this same kind of discussion about other ...

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I have fed Diamond in the green bag to pups and adults alike for aprox. 15 years,and have had good results with it,I like that the stools are a lot smaller,they seem to absorb more of it. One thing I have noticed in feeding this,is that my dogs have always wanted to eat grass when being fed this.I h...

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Flush,I understand totally what the DNA test is for,and did from the start,but dont you see how many could misread this,and I'm sure manny puppy buyers do.Many are led to believe that because the parents of their pup was DNA'd that it does trace them back to the original Llewellins.If you give this ...

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Go back and read the first post on page 4 by Wa Chukar Hunter stating as to what the rules of the field dog stud book say is a Llewellin setter,and then think about how DNA testing of your pups parents match this criteria.I didn't make the rules.

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Why is it in any way taken as an insult or somehow degrading to want to cut thru the bull and get at the truth.Somehow questioning the Llewellin setter is some kind of taboo.Notice how there are no answers to any of the DNA questions-why-because no one knows.It doesn't take much brain power to figur...

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I have read all that info before,but good you posted it for others who haven't.You brought up that I mentioned the breeding of Llewellins to the English setters.Someone had to decide that there was a difference,thats why they are papered seperately as English and Llewellins.Since that is a fact that...

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[quote="Wa Chukar Hunter"]"To be registered in the Field Dog Stud Book as a Llewellin a dog must have no ancestors who do not trace to Field's Duke, Statter's Rhoebe Can you see how this would cause so many questions? You are talking about dogs that died over 100 yrs. ago.How in the world could you ...

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I believe you are confusing the Laverack dogs with the Llewellins,Mr.Llewellin was breeding dogs in the late 1800's,not 1500's.He used some Laverack blood but also added other dogs to start his own strain of dogs.Is there any other bird dog with the aura of mystery as the Llewellin.I posed the previ...

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I am curious as to what they are looking for in the DNA test.Since the original Llewellin dogs have been gone for so many years,how could you accurately determine any DNA results? What would you compare to?I have also never figured out why they ever allowed a Llewellin,English setter litter cross to...

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Is this for all the breeds?

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If DNA testing was not brought because of Kings dogs,when did it begin? DNA testing has not been going on for all that long?

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Is this the reason, that my Llewellins papers came back??? Came back twice. The pedigree is below. http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/3genview.php?id=1312 I believe she is related to Hank. It may well be that you will need to have DNA testing done before your dog is recognized.As I stated before,I own...

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What is the difference between a Llewellin and an English setter? If you research this subject,you will find that it is admitted that most of our English setters today have Llewellin blood in them.And remember,Mr.Llewellin could not give birth to a dog himself,so where did his setters come from?The...

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I looked at so many sites while looking for a pup that I can't remember where I saw them.I remember one was ticked so heavily that down his back it looked almost solid black.

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Thank's,I had a feeling it was nothing special as it hasn't caught on much around here.

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