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I would say 90% of my bird hunting is done on chukar. The other 10% is a mix of ducks/grouse/quail.

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In my opinion a good pair of boots are worth thier wieght in gold. You can hunt longer, harder, and over rougher terain with good quality boots. If you are going to buy Danners I would suggest getting a stich down model, but that is going to go over your budget. You can buy yourself a pair of $175 b...

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I think the part about former army k9 officer is the key. This guy probably has a completely differant view on what socialization and training is.

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So dogs point when there is a bird they smell, or a bird they see. Is the natural back also because they learn when another dog is pointing, there is a bird there? Stop to flush also? Backing is instinctive. The dog doesn't need to smell a bird, he just needs to see another dog on point. They will ...

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I believe that a dog can have all the natural ability in the world and it can be overshadowed by prey drive or temperment. Just because a dog is natural doesn't mean they will end up being a better bird dog in the end, it just depends on what you are looking for.

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The DK guys can correct me if I am wrong on this , but I believe most DK's are not bred to be the long range runners that would perform well in Field Trials I believe most are bred to be short to mid range running dogs for the foot hunter, but Hainholz obviously found several DK's that were bred to...

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If it was me I would coop him up for a few days, maybe even a week or two. His reward really should be getting to hunt birds, I don't think you need to shoot any for him to keep him excited about them. You are lucky to have wild birds in your back yard.

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Aparently the show dog people do not have dogs that are capable of contending as DC. Have the show dog people just given up for hunt test and agility acredidation? Why has DC gone away. I haven't heard of a DC in years. Again... I have to say that AKC/GSPCA standards have gone down hill drastically...

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craigburns wrote: There are people that are honestly open to a realistic discussion.

Are you one of them?

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If the standard is not followed then it is flawed in allowing assumptions and awarding a tilte to those dogs who do not posses the necessary skills that define the standard. I do not agree. It's up to the breeder to follow the standard. Breeders create good dogs, standards and tests do not create g...

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Ridge-point: I don't get your point? Most of your arguments are really against the testing system not the conformation standard. The American GSP is not in downfall, it is a very popular breed and there are many dogs here that are performing at very high levels. If we are going to argue about testi...

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AKC standard: "The German Shorthaired Pointer is a versatile hunter, an all-purpose gun dog capable of high performance in field and water. The judgement of Shorthairs in the show ring reflects this basic characteristic. " How can a judge look at a dog and know all of this? What does "basic charact...

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If people truely want to work under very strict testing parameters, breedwardens, and standards, there is always the option of joining the NADKC. There are some really good dogs and nice people in that club. I still have not seen a single person referance a flaw of the AKC standard (other than color).

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Why doesn't the GSPCA prevent the dog from breeding?If a dog is incapable of getting a correct conformation rating and can be DQ'd from showing why would they allow the dog to breed? Who would want to breed to that dog in the first place? There are too many good dogs out there, the gene pool is not...

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Another vote for Dogtra. I have a set of four I purchased about 6 years ago and they still work great.

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I might get a DK if any of them had style like Ted's avatar dog! :D http://www.ridge-point.net/jpg/gracepoint%2025yards.jpg Not as good as Ted's dog, but getting there. You can find style if you look for it. This dog isn't a true DK but she is out of two DK's. She is a little over 1 in that picture...

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Many photos of Field Trial dogs are taken when the dog is on point. High and Tight wins trials. Those dogs point with such intensity that many times the legs are extended making it difficult to see the dogs angulation when they are on point. If you look at winning All Age dogs, they almost always ha...

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For the most part all the German breeds sporting,non sporting,working,etc have a little different conformation & temperament then the American breds.The German dogs are usually a little bigger,heavier boned,slower, & their temperament is much more sharp & they think the American bred dogs are babie...

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The term "Form Follows Function" is misleading IMO. Ignoring a dogs conformation would imply that you do not care how well a dog moves in the hunting field, which to me is ignoring function. A dog that is built correctly will out perform a dog that is not, if all else is equal. The word versatility ...

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vzkennels wrote:
The judges are the ones that need to read & FOLLOW it.

Therein lies the true problem.

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I thought the Breed Standards were put out by the GSPCA, not AKC. That is correct, the breed clubs control the standards. http://www.gspca.org/Breed/standard.html If people would take the time to read the standard I don't think they would be so against it. It states dogs are not to be faulted for b...

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But I do think we see most of the breeds trying to compete with the pointers and setters in the field instead of trying to fill the void that the breeders back in Europe were trying to fill and in many cases still exist. Ezzy I agree with this. Going back just a few years there were many DC Gsp's a...

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http://www.sikennels.com/

Tim Schillereff is the guy you want to talk to.

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I personally don't see how breeding ethics has anything to do with draggin a breed down or building it up. If Mr. John Doe of POS Kennels is producing poor dogs people will stop buying/breeding to his dogs. A good breeder will make his own business, and it doesn't matter how much money he makes off ...

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Excuse my ignorance, but please define "Drag on the breed". I think I know what you mean but please help. If you bred two equally great dogs, why would that mean you would end up with less? Possible sure. Am I not understnding this right? I usually hear this topic discussed with regards to range. A...

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Ruffshooter wrote:I have never seen a cross between a chicken and a cow. Sorry just struck me funny.

Here you go.

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Line breed for consistancy and outcross for vigor. Look and the meat production industry. The best producers of chicken and beef are crosses. I think this topic is a little overblown. A drag on the breed usually means there is a very small genetic pool to start with. Some dogs have the ability to re...

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Great shots everyone.

Mntmaniac those pictures are very nice.

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Has this dog been taught to sit before? How does the dog react when you use the e-collar? Are you using continuos stimulation or just a nick? It's most likely pressure and confusion, or the e-collar is really bothering the dog. Some dogs do not react well to the e-collar and you may have to use othe...

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The origonal question was how can you hunt a dog that hasn't had steadyness work. The answer is wild birds will steady a dog up if exposed to them properly. Not everyone hunts with a dog that is steady to even the shot. Many birds have been shot over pups that break on the flush or maybe even a litt...

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I hunt my dogs as soon as they can physically handle the hunt I am going on and are gun conditioned. All of my dogs have been hunted before they had any Formal bird training done. They make alot of mistakes to start, but if it's a good dog he will learn game quickly. As long as you get them into bir...

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Benny, Think of it this way. You have a bird in a launcher and you bring your dog in above the scent cone, so he has no idea the bird is there. You then pop the bird and stop the dog, teaching the dog to stop on a flush. You aren't messing with a dog that has established point, which is a bonus to t...

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You can always pop the bird while you stand behind her with check cord in hand. I have always taught my dogs to stop with a slight tug on the CC, then I transfer that to a nick with the collar. You simply do the same training on birds. Once I have stopped the dog a few times on birds with the CC I s...

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Ridge-Point Ruff-nTuff (left) and Ridge-Point Duke of Envy (right) showing thier stuff on the last weekend of Chukar season here in Oregon. The bird numbers were way down this year, so my Father decided to shoulder his shotgun and break out the camera. These two pups really worked hard this season a...

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English Pointers are known to be a little less pet oriented type dogs than GSP's and other versatiles breeds. A good EP will be independant and full of energy, as would any bird dog, but the EP is usually the next level when it comes to all out bird dogs, they are specialists. Might be harder to fin...

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All birds for me. I don't do whoa, the birds are suposed to mean whoa. Good flyers is a must like everyone else said.

Jusitn

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have you tried flying at night or is it too hot then as well?

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Idahos Chukar Season will probably start September 16th The Forest Grouse Season starts September 1st in Oregon and Idaho. I will be Elk hunting all of september, and I always take the dogs so we can go shoot some grouse during the day when the Elk are bedded down. I have thrown around the idea of t...

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I use a bladder that fits into a pocket in the back of my vest. The bladder is not so easy to use with the dogs though, you have to squeeze the mouthpiece and it doesnt really squirt out that much water unless your sucking on it, so its hard to water them much with it. I just take a Nalgene widemout...

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I just roll them on there back and hold them there for a bit till they calm down, seems to only take a few times. if they are really wired then I will pinch there mouth closed with light preasure for a second, just enough to make them uncomfortable. they should learn pretty fast that its not much fu...

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Here is a little bit bigger picture of marks new pup

Justin

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Use quality good flying birds for training, don't waste time with junky birds. Homers and launchers also work great. Wild birds are best. Don't put your dog on birds everyday, once or twice a week is great. If you are breaking them maybe 3 or 4 days a week max. If they start getting bored take them ...

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Pheasants are harder because they run and launchers don't. If you are putting him on good flying pheasants then in thoery he should settle down and start pointing them. The other option is just to go ahead and break him. Do you have a e-coller? If you are in albany then you are only about 15 min awa...

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How about this - next season you all hunt for 1 month without an electric collar and report back. I do this every season, this past season I did not get out as much as I usually do, but when I did the bird numbers were good, and the dog work was better. The gunning was a little rusty though... I be...

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I have read that teaching "sit" to a pointer should be one of the last commands taught - to keep the dog from sitting under "the pressure" of training. Has anyone noticed this to be true? Sorry about the off topic post, I was just adding my opinion for this question. I guess I should have linked to...

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Just depends on what you want. I don't bother training any commands for about the first year, except come. First year is gun intro and bird intro, retrieving to hand, handling out in the field and teaching them to go with you, pointing, teach them to not pull on the leash, ect... And the second year...

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I like them to just be a solid retriever first. I work on retrieving right when I get home from work and the dogs have been kenneled for a few hours. Then they are all hopped up and it really helps keep the style up. Also don't bore them, 3 or 4 times a week is great, if they start gettin bored back...

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I use both pinch coller and e-coller on at the same time. Plus I keep a dummy coller on them whenever we are training. There could be some benifit to not having the e-coller on when you are trying to get the pup used to the pinch coller, just so they aren't overwhelmed by having both those on all at...

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