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Here are some pics of the wk end trial course at Tri Valley in Ohio for most of the open stakes.This is only a small portion as there is over 16000 acres all together but not sure just how much of it is used to trial on.I have never run on the HR course yet but next month will try to get some pics a...

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:lol: So now if some one replys to a post you made calling me out it's stalking?? :lol: You think you are that important to be stalked by me,that's a joke.You and your money & business means NOTHING to me don't flatter your self!! :roll: I posted on this thread before you ever did so I'm stalking yo...

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Ho HMMMMMMMMMM :roll:

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And I wasn't talking about you but don't tell everyone they make money breeding dogs because most DON"T!! You used my & Rinkers post to show how much money you make.I don't care if you make a million but don't tell every one else they do the same!! MR BIG IMPORTANT BUSINESS MAN!!

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CJ I'm glad you get $1000 a pup & sell them before they are 2 mo old & you don't consider anything else like the cost of feeding dogs all yr,kennels,any vet bills etc.You are a Business man so tell me how when you spend more then you take in you are making money? I don't breed dogs to make money if ...

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I would try just letting the dog have a pigeon to do what ever it wants with it chase it,catch it,play with it,eat it,you have to wake up the desire before anything else.Take off the CC & let the dog have at it once you have built that desire then worry about the training if the desire is not there ...

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I have owned a couple dogs that were just simply bored with pigeons they would stand them but not really point with any intensity.They would turn their head & look at you like this is stupid.I just quit training with them try quail or chukar,wild birds are the best answer IMO if you can find them.On...

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Storm at winter camp in S Ga.

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+1 Rinker!!

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CJ send me your email & I will send you some pics of the Tri Valley trial grounds here in Ohio.I would have to reduce the size to post them here & you won't get the same perspective.Most of these were taken at 18 times zoom Send it in a PM if you don't want it here.

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Wouldn't you say that owners that say the dog they bought from you was the best they ever owned are DOWNRIGHT SATISFIED? These are average people not pros!

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Ezzy I don't think GSPS are allowed to test in Germany under the test he is talking of but since I don't know a lot about it JKP could answer that.I do know that GSPS are allowed to test under the DK tests but even if passed can not be registered as DKs but DKs can be registerted as GSPS in this cou...

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Sorry to hear that Chip,I also heard that Bob Merkel had a fire & pretty much lost his kennels & most dogs included.

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JKP another thing you need to think about when you keep talking about how many FCs there are compared to the high scoring dogs in your tests.I'll bet there are a lot more dogs competing for those FCs titles then are testing for those high scores.Those F Trials are open to all breeds for the most par...

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JKP here is where your theory about one dog gets in trouble.I bred my Wendy to 3 different stud dogs all FC's one a NFC the other 2 FC/AFC in the first litter there was 9 only 2 females.I sold one female & let that woman pick I kept the other I also kept one male,all the others were sold to hunting ...

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No you are better off to never have to back but if the situation arises your dog better back or your on the rope.Like they say you can't win by backing.

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Exactly Fuzz & no two people get the same from reading the standard just as no 2 people like the same kind of hunting dog & I'm glad or they would all be alike.How boring!

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But it's not about winning so they would have to make it some kind of TEST!!

This is not Germany we are free to breed as we choose not some one tell us what to breed if you like their system better there are ships crossing the ocean every day.

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They just can't believe a dog has enough brains to know the difference between a handler on Foot & a man on a Horse.The first placement my dog ever had was a walking trial in Pa,the first time she ran at the GSPCA Nats at Uereka Kan they lost her but tracker found her standing on point .7 miles away...

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Grousehunter I like you guys that say one thing in a thread & then in the next you contradict what you just said.Like this how do you use an E-collar to put a handle on any dog but then say you Tone a 350 Yrd dog back to 200 yards in the grouse woods?? Here is another thing you don't say or understa...

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JKP you have a lot of nerve talking about honesty when you posted on this forum that you did not send me a PM stating you don't like ONE WINNER takes all venues because they are about the people & not the dogs. Then you post how testing is the same as competition in another thread but above you agai...

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PM sent B_H

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PM sent

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Ezzy do what ever you feel necessary like I said no hard feelings.Bye

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Maybe me but if you would stop telling us we are wrong because we don't do or believe as you I might be more polite!

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He just can't get it in his head that no one care anything about what he does with his 50 lb britt but he wants to condemn the rest of us because we do differently.

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SO if I post that TESTS are not Competition it gets deleted but he can post that his GERMAN test proves the dog that GETS the HIGHEST SCORE is better then any FC in the last 43 yrs & it gets to stay??

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Winner!!!!! My dog not some one else that I bred,did not buy her!!!!!

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This is why it all depends on the judges.

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I always figured my dogs were tougher then me or at least as tough so I never asked them to do anything I wouldn't do other then maybe swimming for a retrieve because I swim like a rock.Really the retrieving from water was their choice though not mine!

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Ezzy I thought I made it clear I don't say one is better than the other to each their own but I don't see any competition in a test.JMO & most others I've talked to about it. :) I would like an apology from JKP more or less calling me a liar when he denied sending me the PMS that said he didn't like...

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Charlie even us old arrogant folks cheer for a dog at a F Trial when they are really putting it on the rest of us.So JKP can say all he wants about F Trials being about the people & not the dogs.

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I know owners that do both & enjoy both but they will tell you testing is NOT COMPETITION!!

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Thank you JKP now how bout telling the truth about the PMS you sent me in 2011 telling me that you don't like the winner takes all venues because they are about the people not the dogs.

Then some how you perceive that testing is about the dogs & not the people.

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Always has to be some one to try & be little it! & he call me arrogant! Yes JKP I'm talking about YOU!

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Hey Don I'm all for you & Stormy in 2017!! GO STORMY GO!!

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Shadow Oak Bo is at the top of the heap as of his run this morning!! Maybe a REPEAT

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What's the point of any thread?

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Depends on the judges more then anything.What are you calling super & average bird work,no of finds,style,?

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How many Think Tests are competition? Are you Testing or competing or is it one & the same? Let me add this I have nothing against tests or any other venues I know very little about the testing venues.I'm just saying in my eyes there is a difference between TESTS & Competition. I took plenty of test...

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Neil if your talking to me I will never post on your thread again.

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Ezzy I know you never said it but others here have suggested it.I know exactly what your saying I'm just saying the stakes are there for the newbies but they don't take advantage of them.

Sent you a PM CJ!

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I vote NO!! Tired of ALL the DF BS!!

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I did train my avatar dog Storm on pigeons did you miss that part.He just needs his retrieving points to finish but he is a natural retriever didn't need FF like my FC Star.I didn't train her because I wanted to know if she had the tools for trialing & don't start training much until the age I took ...

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OK JKP you didn't send me that PM I use to respect you but after telling me that well not so much.I have more of your PMs if you can't own up to them you shouldn't write them. I could copy it & put it up here for every one to see but PMs are personal & not to be shown but I have never written one I ...

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Hunting in the snow really?

Nice going snow is the best hunting conditions in my opinion.

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Frank I own 11 GSPS at the moment have owned dog for over 40 yrs use to raise & show dobes.I F trial GSPS own I FC & another on the way & I was breeder of both of them.No I am not a first time one dog owner & all the pros that train dogs for a living use E-Collars to train with don't know one that d...

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Trash breaking & training are 2 totally different things entirely no matter what breed.

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And your Breed is?

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Nice Reply Frank! :roll:

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