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Ezzy or Gittrdone, please send me an address, so I will know where to go, thanks Jonesy

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So when the dog is low in the front, and intense, the bird is at whatever distance in front of the dogs nose, that isnt what you want to see or enjoy? Lets talk about the head crank stuff, you hear and read people saying off the odg had a perfect find......it was beautiful, man that find was out of ...

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Style is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally don't like the high head crank and anything from a 10:00 tail and a 12:00 tail is fine with me as long as the point is intense...Intensity is the most important thing to me when I consider style. The intensity, (IMO) comes from the end that should ...

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So, it sounds like were are starting to talk about a bird dogs way of pointing......right? Or, let me ask this, how many that were low on point didnt have a bird stuck....and it was in the direction that the head pointed? Do you feel these dogs that are sticking birds, should be placed, or allowed t...

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She is 4 1/2 months right now.....be almost 5 mo at that time. But she is a lil cracker, fun to be around, she fell asleep in my arms working dogs down at Maurices couple weekends ago, me, her, an momma, were cruizing around loading releasers. Next thing I knew, she was snoring. Thanks Jonesy

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I am gonna try my darndest to come, I wont be able to hang out all day, but will work a few, and meet you all. I think its a great idea, and a great way to meet some new friends. I will have my wife, and my baby girl. Thanks Jonesy

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This is something that you see alot of different ways of describing, and reading about. Why do you feel a dog will point low in the front, or crouch? Do you think its caused by man, or is it genetics? I am curious what you guys/gals feel or think on it. Thanks Jonesy

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Hollar at me, and I can maybe try an plan a trip to see my folks, and come up and work some with you guys, Food would be good, but dont drink, so would need a lil diet dew! hahaha, Just let me know and promise will see what I can work out. ok? Thanks Jonesy

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Southern Doctor was outta Nickel's Dollarbill x Pikecreek Spikette, who is also the dam of Copper Nickel. Nickel's Dollarbill was outta Branscum's Nickel x Pea Patch Penny........I believe. There is some some semen outta Pike Creek Mike than can be purchased, or there was. Thanks Jonesy

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You can consider things how you would like. If you think on it a little deeper, you also have CH.Sir Lancelot, and CH.Lester's Snowatch, that go back to Branscum's Nickel, twice. Just a little more info with the Branscum's Nickel blood, and what it has helped produce. Thanks Jonesy

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Ya know, I just enjoy them all around, from working to watching run. They are a pleasure in my eyes. I agree with ya whole heartedly. I am gonna do a breeding here pretty soon, to an AI'd son of nickel, Branscum's Doc Holiday. I cant wait, my bitch is daughter of millers dateline x grand daughter of...

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Ezzy, would love to try an work things out on doing a seminar in Illinois, I think it would be a great time. My dog training, isnt about traveling and doing a bunch of seminars, I like working the dogs, and its a hard thing to do on the road. We can talk and work something out, it would be my pleasu...

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I sent ya a pm with Mike Branscum's number, the blood is a whole lot different than anything you will ever put your hands on. It is great that this style of bird dog is starting to come back. Thanks Jonesy

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Chuckar12 lil brit has a good look to it. Dont you make me wanna have short tailed dogs now!! I have a lil something in the works, but we wont talk about that now. I like yours and Charlie's post alot.....they are sticking out my head. I really am glad to see that people think about the dogs and the...

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These are all great replies, makes it a better rain day now!! K9 I really liked this....alnog with others replies also, this is one that really sticks out....... Another one I have seen a dog nice on point or worse on a back then as the handler comes in the tail starts to drop and same with the shou...

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So its pouring the rain here today, and I have been going around the internet looking at things, and doing alot of reading and thinking. Here is what I would like to know, on what everyone thinks or feels. When a pointing dog is doing things in general, working, training, whatever..........what does...

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Well, everything happens for a reason....good or bad. With the running off stuff, it was prolly running away from the correction from the fence. Getting away so that thing, would quit getting it!!
I sugest Maurice Lindley, he is a lil north of you. Great at fixing and working dogs. IMO, Thanks Jonesy

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Grouse dog guy,
"The West Method", has produced alot of champions, and still is. There wasnt, and isnt a brush pile ever involved. The brush pile is Higgins work, not "the West Method". I would be happy to discuss more privately if wanted, Thanks Jonesy

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I will second Maurices book, "Training with Mo" it is good for all breeds, not just the Vizsla. The biggest thing with dogs is patience, myself I would rather spend an extra week watching and understanding the dog before moving ahead when the dog isnt ready it. You should be able to contact the book...

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I wont chime in here on this just because I see where this is wanting to head. I will do privately if you want, the one thing that I will add on the gun work..........it takes alot more time to fix them, than it does to start them. Dog will tell you when its ready, let that be alot of what you read ...

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Here is something to always remember with dogs, they will always read your eyes, voice, and touch.....always. When you work a dog and are trying to teach the whoa stuff......first ask yourself, what is whoa? Well it means stop an stand. Now, when you teach this without using barrels and boards an ma...

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Some of you may like to be able to control every aspect of training but can you control every aspect of wild bird hunting? I doubt it. But if you do the best you can in setting all the work up, an progress as the dog is ready to progress, and not you being ready to progress, everything will work ou...

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Pretty good post Ray, guess we were typing at the same time!!

Thanks Jonesy

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I feel the easiest way of teaching foundation work, is in a controlled environment, checkcord control of the dog ......an control of the bird, or knowing exactly where the bird is at. Pen raised birds work very well for these situations. The dogs actions in the start allow it to be taught and learn ...

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When you break a dog, the hardest part is the initial steadyness, after the flush. I feel once you recieve that with no collar correction at all, the dog is doing things with and for you. Now you have it working or or somewhat steady threw the shot.......that is the next level of work.....once you t...

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If the bird is gone, and all is done for that part of the session, why do you want him rigid? Why I say, is all dogs act different, and when he/she has done exactly what and how you wanted and have taught....sounds to me like dogs saying....."Dad, I done good...right??" That make sense? Its all a pr...

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Location: Training Grounds, Columbia, Missouri, Dave Jones of Berea Kentucky, has agreed to come up and put on this Seminar at our Training Grounds. It is a 2 Day Event Starting Sat. May 21st, and running through Sunday May 22nd. Come join us for 2 fun filled days of hands on instruction. Jonesy wil...

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I wouldnt worry on the gun yet, get her desire going good or get it better. Not saying you did this, but you might have the gun going to soon, exspecially a number of guns. But that is hind sight now. If you do the 22's I would recommend the 22 crimps that you can get at lowes or home depot style of...

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Brenda is right on the money with her posts, the only thing I could add to them is to not be in a hurry to shoot the gun. Weims can be real quirky outta season, I could only imagine them being in season. Not saying that has anything at all to do with things, but it a very common trait in them. Alway...

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Birdogger, I will not claim the glory on the saying of confidence, That is Maurice, he is the one stated that, I was more worried about trying to hep outsiders learn more on the way the dog was saying things, by what was posted at the start of the topic. Credit goes to Maurice, he is the one that co...

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Sounds good on the rest of the story, and is exactly what I was wanting to help on, the dog not being confident. The story changed a little bit on the last post, but here is what I was going off of..... He will not flush the bird but relocates or moves around. Always a bird there but he moves around...

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Yea to an extent, but what sticks out hard in my mind is how its said that the dogs circles the bird......so why would that happen, if the dog is brave enough, or curious enough to leave stance, or flash point, and leave...... an circle.......risk everything, to circle.......why is there so much que...

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Sammy, the thread starter commented twice, and I have not read in either post, anything about breaking. So, where is this coming from? It does talk on the dogs actions with birds, and I asked a couple questions about why people feel this is happening, and yet has anyone answered, it all gets revampe...

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Alot of people will have a closed mind when it comes to dog work. When this is said or stated, myself, I am trying to get the people to pay attention to the dog. You watch alot of people working dogs, miss or overlook the action of the dog in a certain situation, or any situation. Everything with a ...

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Yep agree, to young for breaking to start......but this isnt what the dog is saying to the owner handler. Hasnt got a thing to do with breaking, whoa work, relocating.......what is it telling you about the bird? Pen or wild, doesnt matter, it is about the bird, why is the dog acting the way it is? S...

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This dog isnt relocating though, there is a difference in what the dog is saying. Thanks Jonesy

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Sounds more like he is playing with things. Why should you have to whoa him, and tell him to point? He should know how to do that himself.....right? His nose is working or he wouldnt wag and walk circles around the bird. So, now think about things....why doesnt he wanna have the bird in the air? He ...

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A dog will always read your eyes, voice, and touch......always. Positively, or negatively, it will be read. Myself, I think it should be the dogs choice to tell me about its point, I dont wanna have to tell it to.........heck most times in the wild, you dont know if it has a bird or not, so let I te...

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Cracked corn will cause a prob on young birds sometimes, it doesnt get broken up in moms digestive system, will come out an suffocate the young birds. Thanks Jonesy

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Where are you located? You are welcome to tell me privately if it makes you uncomfortable.Thanks Jonesy

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I wont argue, and totally understand that you are a novice, in my book, you are just as good as anyone, so dont hold that over your head, its not fair to you or the dog. A dog will always read your eyes, voice, and touch. If you are not confident in your work, the dog wont be either. I am only passi...

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Before you can fix a booger properly, you need to try and figure out as best as ya can, what caused the booger, to arise. Maybe this will help you in thought? Thanks Jonesy

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For every action, there is a reaction.
What do you feel is honestly causing the reaction?
Dog is now pointing because it has to, not because it wants to. Why is that? There is a difference in the dogs train of thoughts, and its actions doing it......as we now see. Thanks Jonesy

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Need help training my gsp to point, was the topic twards the bottom of this page in training. You read threw, what others said, and my discussion with them. This dog reaction is why I said, to not use launchers, it is pointing because it has to, its not doing it because it wants to, there is a diffe...

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She hasnt learned what will happen with her decisions. Traps are hard to use in this style of non pointing fix, now she is flagging anticipating the flush. The flush is man made, and she knows it. There was a topic a while back that I chimed in on, I explained what and why, I will try an find an giv...

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Brenda, Copper Nickel was bred out of Branscum's Nickel, by David Wren. Thanks Jonesy

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Hey Ron R., was just curious, does Pea Patch Penny go back to Red Water Rex? I am not 100%, but dont believe she does. Thanks Jonesy

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I see where Mike an my names got put up here in this topic, Mike and I have talked alot and I know him pretty well. That Branscum's Nickel dog produced alot of great dogs that didnt have any Pike Creek Mike, or Red Water Rex in them. We both agree, or strongly believe that the bird dog has to start ...

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Tommyboy, sent ya a pm. Thanks Jonesy

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