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m2244 wrote:Is this something that he will get away from the more he learns to use his nose?

He's a baby, keep taking him out and get bird contact.

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force fetch him.

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ATV or horse only!!!

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what type of dog - what do you want the trainer to do - what age do you want to send it off?

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I would think most "bird dogs" would get bored running and running and never finding birds, what is the point? They're just running to run off at that point. A hunting dog hunts. Birds or no birds, the dog continues to hunt. If the dog won't hunt when there are no birds it would be rather pointless...

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I would think most "bird dogs" would get bored running and running and never finding birds, what is the point? They're just running to run off at that point.

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Sounds like just the type of dog I want to go hunting with!

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Nice looking dog - enjoy him Tyler.

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Wild birds if you can asap.

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ultracarry wrote:I mix pro plan puppy with loyall for Kimber......... My pup is on pro plan puppy and I'm going to start mixing In loyall on Sunday when I pick him up.

Why did you stop Evo for Kimber?

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Where are you located? Seems like your dog will need to be force fetched. Maybe a good pro can help.

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A lot of people will tend to say it's because you don't want to teach a dog two commands via a collar on the neck. For example, if you're running your dog and Whoa him from way off and he moves then you stimulate him he can tend to recall because he was taught to recall via the collar around the ne...

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It's an eCollar. You put it around the dog's flank and if you stimulate him at that location he's inclined to not move. Works great if you know how to do it. I usually don't do it, but both my girls kept creeping in the breaking process, so I conceded. If you are planning on trying it, make sure yo...

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I wouldn't use a trainer for bird intro, just watch Perfect Start - unless you don't have time for the dog. Steadying at a trainer at an older age after a season of wild birds seems more worth it.

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You can get the glow collars with name plate, delivered, for like $11 on gun dog supply... is the material *that* much better? I've had one for 2 years now, no problems except some color fade.

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If you buy a collar can you still run in amateur braces?

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I have a dog thats point when backing my other dog is steadier than when he's just pointing on his own. Have any of you guys seen this before in a dog? He's about 2 1/2 years old and a Lab/GWP cross. He holds a good steady point on his own but is just rock steady when my older GSP goes on point and...

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I heard she isn't that good - you just got lucky a dozen or so times.

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Why are you whoaing her - is she not going on point? She probably isn't ready to be steadied and whoad on birds. Get her pointing and pop birds as soon as she moves is my guess.

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brule wrote:I'm training an 8month old GWP that has no interest at all in finding birds

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i can't imagine a young dog steady to wing and shot before every shooting any birds for them, don't the dog need a few birds shot for them to get the hole picture and a reward? what do i know i just a puppy in training also a well bred dog will point and love finding game - no need to shoot to keep...

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3Britts wrote:I would think that you haven't been to many all breed trials then.

You would think so - unfortunately, I have...

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brad27 wrote:That's a lot to ask of a 7 month old.

That's why he shouldn't shoot yet.

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brad27 wrote:Only shoot the birds he handles correctly.

+1 - if he ain't pointing and holding through shot and releasing him to get the bird I wouldn't shoot - rewarding him for bad manners.

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What is minimum amount of land I would need for 2? Feeding hay is fine - doesn't have to just be grass in a pasture...

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Moving in the next year or so... going to get a couple of horses, but not sure if I'll board them nearby or keep them on the land (looking at 5-30 acres). I don't want to put up a barn or anything, so this will effect which homes we look at. So, question: Is it a major pain in the a** to keep them o...

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Let's see. Shorthairs tend to orver run game, chew downed bird, and generally have noses that mislead. Britts tend to find game at any range, have soft mouths, and know the difference between "bleep" and game birds. You can also keep them in the house. As for the "little groundhog, crack, even my s...

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I know of 1 dog that got an FC with no e-collar ever - vizsla. Not using one (correctly) is a big disadvantage imo.

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I personally wouldn't be hiding. They barely know what they're doing now - keep them confident and you in sight if they want to see you. Later when they're older you don't want them worrying about that.

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Sounds great, thanks everyone. I'm heading out in about 10 minutes. I'm going to take them both with me but only let one out at a time, is that ok? I'll do it this time but if thats bad let me know so I can correct it for the next time out. i would only do 1 so they don't play and then think the fi...

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Just let them go and be quiet. Get them on wild birds as soon as possible. They aren't going to run off at 3 mos old.

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During trials with another in-tact male does he mind his own business?

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I noticed that all of those who are truely answering the opening question do not have hunting dogs. Only nike and I are qualified to answer this question as we both have true hunting dogs that can trial. Go Team Brittany!!! :lol: I suppose if you like a little groundhog to run over birds a Brittany...

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I think the other way around. The dogs that have drive and can run and are put on a lot of wild birds early are the best trial dogs. They're the ones that will go out and find birds every time in any condition because they know where to look and how to hunt the cover.

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Absolutely. Should have listed as an option getting rid of derby's all together...or at least giving them any real significance with regards to field trialing or birddogdom. Gawd help the folks that give any significance to the derby accomplishments of over age dogs. The folks that seem to get most...

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Congrats - he looks good. Best of luck towards the DC/AFC.

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I don't get why derby even matters - broke dogs are the real deal.

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Bluesky2012 wrote:What are the best drills you like to do to get your puppy to stop moving in on birds and instead start pointing? I have lots of barn pigeons and a bird launcher. What's your preferred methods?

wild birds

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DogNewbie wrote:so do you run your young dogs on cc at all? or do you just pop the birds until they figure it out? How do you get a dog to stop chasing once it's allowing you to flush?

use birds they can't catch and they'll eventually stop chasing (homers) or best of all: wild birds!

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I'd get him on wild birds as much as possible. Be quiet, let him find them and run out. It will teach him to be steady and not crowd them (and also that he can't catch them).

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I've never seen a Weim that hunted well and a lot of the ones I've been around I wouldn't let my dog around them. if you want a dog that hunts at your ankles then maybe you'd like it, but you'd have to walk over the birds yourself.

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Pointer looks like a scorpion.

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imo it is too early if the dog can't be called in with some sort of expectation that it will come. besides that, which is more of a safety concern, wild birds will make a better bird dog than i ever will :D On thousands and thousands of acres + GPS and ATV - won't be too worried about losing him......

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Is a puppy ever too young for wild birds (assume no shooting, just finding them, figuring out where to look, etc...? Would 3.5mos old be too young for pheasants?

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wild birds, problem solved.

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Cajun Casey wrote:Brittany

She wants a dog that points...

GSP - more forgiving on beginners.

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I wouldn't worry - even my vizsla adapted fine. Dang thing didn't even give me more than a glance when I picked him up. He goes back this weekend for summer camp. They love it!

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Do you always, from the day you get your pup to four months, never ever allow your said pup to catch a bird? If you don't allow your pup at this timeframe the opportunity, what are you trying to accomplish? More advance training such as staunchness or whoa? You teach them they can NEVER catch them ...

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EvanG wrote:What kind of dog? How old? What training have you done so far?

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vizsla, 18mos, he's pretty much steady - practicing his retrieve for callbacks for next FT season. going away to summer camp next week for a few months to polish him up.

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