Gun Dog Forum

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I have a pair of Pronghorns and a pair of Super Rainforests. The Pronghorns are just OK, the Rainforests are ridiculously wonderful boots, but at $375 a pop, they should be. The Pronghorns are not US made though, and the Rainforests are. My first pair of Rainforests lasted 14 years through pretty he...

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shags wrote:Probably be good if all the sporting breeds had a breed standard modeled after the one for Red Setters. Performance and conformation/appearance
http://nrsftc.com/PDF/BreedStandard.pdf

Oh wait. Then all those dogs would have to actually do something the breed was meant to do. Uh oh.

Yep!!

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How does that long pretty hair help a dog in the field? It sounds like it is only a hindrance. If that's the case, why is it something the show people look highly upon? Why would someone go out of their way to develop something that takes away from the dog in the field? Aren't these field dogs? Shou...

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I agree with that, but why don't they use field ability as the basis for show conformation, since these are field dogs? Like you said about the increasing longer coats of brittanys in the show ring, how does that help them in the field? It doesnt, and IMO should be a penalty rather than something th...

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Whenever you take a breed of dog that was bred for the field as its main objective, and try to make prancing it around a ring in a glamour contest, equal to the field objective, then problems will arise. This is not necessarily true. Many very good GSPs in the show ring also do very well in the fie...

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Whenever you take a breed of dog that was bred for the field as its main objective, and try to make prancing it around a ring in a glamour contest, equal to the field objective, then problems will arise.

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Dandy pup! What's her breeding? Im done working now, so I can respond a little more specific. This was a breeding that was planned for a couple of years, but timing never worked out until last summer. Recent trial results made the breeding icing on the cake though. My puppy is out of last years NFC...

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She's out of my female.

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I've been having fun with my 6 month old brit. So far, she seems like she has what it takes to be a bird dog. She's getting more and more confident in the field and extending her range every time I get her out. I'll continue to run her and let her have fun for the next couple months, then it's off t...

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I agree that 1hr of hunting is totally different than 1 hr of competition off horseback. Unless you've seen the difference, you don't know what it is. We only enter my dog in 1hr trials, but she is a totally different dog in competition then she is hunting. She's done both enough that she's figured ...

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And if I were your trainer I would tell you the same thing, it is just easier on the trainer. Easier is rarely better. Again, I want them anticipating the retrieve, up on their toes. I never let any dog retrieve ever bird, I always hunt them in at least pairs, so they take turns, and sometimes I le...

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That's fine. Ive spoken with two top Brit Pros and they both said basically the exact same thing. Another all breed Pro said to let them only retrieve a few so the dog didn't anticipate the retrieve. Like I said, since it isn't broke, I'm not fixing it. I will not put up with hard mouth though. I wa...

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I'm sorry and this is just my humble opinion, but a hunting dog not retrieving because it might screw up its style on the point and flush is about as lame a statement as a show judge telling me he passed on my GSP because he was "too muscular". My reply was, last time I checked GSP's were still in ...

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The good 1hr dogs I've seen go as fast as the 1/2hr dogs, but they do it for 1 hour.

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Her potential? Who knows? With any luck she will win Nationals or the DOY award. She has already proven more then I could have ever asked. Now it's just a matter of a little luck. With the exception of one local trial, we kept her out the entire spring circuit last year, and she whelped her first li...

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Shes not too shabby!

. She has size and color going against her. That's why style is important.

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That could be true, but I'm not fixing what isnt broke. I hunt the heck out of my adult dog when I have her home, but I rarely let her retrieve. She's great to hunt over, and not too shabby in trials.

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What a stupid pitty. Not letting a gun dog retrieve because it may lose style after the flush. What good is a hunting dog that doesn't retrieve, and isn't that the purpose of a Trial, to develop a better hunting dog? Now we have bird dogs that find birds but don't retrieve them. What a croc. We've ...

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Do you really think there is some great genetic difference in Britts and GSPs that would have altered my response in any way? Guess I am just grumpy, but I believe you already had your mind made up before you posted. Why do you not allow the Field trial dog to retrieve very often? Perhaps a discuss...

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If not concerned, why ask the question? Are you that bored? I really am ready to stop posting. I think about the questions, compose what I hope is a helpful response. 1/2 the time it is someone looking for an argument, the other 48% it is someone with their minds made up, leaving about 2% really wa...

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I believe he is talking about a pup and older GSP playing tug of war. Actually it's two Brits. Thanks for the info guys. I don't let my adult brit retrieve very often because she gets trialed, but I want to make sure the pup doesn't develop a hard mouth in case she ends up as just a hunting dog. If...

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If your "kicking" up birds, my guess is your hunting poorly released pen birds. Get ready for a lab or Cocker, springer, etc to catch those same birds before you ever get to shoot. If your destroying birds at 10-25 yards out, there's any easy fix. Don't shoot till the birds are 20-30 yards out. Or o...

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My 6 month old and 6 year old Brit have discovered the joys of playing tug of war with each other. I swear that they could play with a golf ball if I let them. I don't want them to develop a hard mouth but need the toys so the puppy doesn't eat the inside of the house. I've heard of the stories owne...

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How about Barnsley Gardens in NW GA? Not a lot shopping, but a nice quiet resort with great restaurants, nice golf course, spa, and most importantly, quail hunting. You can also fish the small ponds on property for bass. Plus, they have the Nations only Ceasar Guerini shooting school, and they allow...

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My brit hasn't run in several days. She's also at the peak of her conditioning, and she just got done with the fall trial circuit. All she does is lay around in the house. You need to set the rules, and don't put up with your dog running the house.

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Dogs are born with their noses. They develop the ability to use it!

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So they would rather cancel the AAA trial and not run at all, then to run agaisnt another breed? I'm an Amateur who fits the description you are talking about, and would be furious if I didn't get to run my dog because of what you described.

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Why would a Pro care about what's entered in an Amateur stake?

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Not sure what it proves when a 25" tall, 70 lb shorthair outruns a 25 lb. 18" tall Brittany though....but hey, that's just me. There's very few 25lb. 18" Brittany's running trials.... And winning... My brit is 34 lbs soaking wet, not very tall, and she's almost always the smallest dog entered in he...

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If my dogs intentionally ripped a bird, I wouldn't shoot it, but wild flushes are a different story. If you're only shooting wild roosters that sit for a point, you're not going to enjoy much pheasant chili. I agree. Since my dogs are steady to wing, I will shoot on a stop to flush, so sometimes it...

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Lucky Dog wrote:There are two types of upland hunters, those that kill birds, and those that carry side x sides.

Don't tell that to my old LC Smith. You might hurt its feelings. At almost 100 years old, who only knows how many birds it's killed.

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Congrats on a great find. Those are nice guns and very well built.

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What about Webley & Scott? As far as I know, the Webley and Scott guns being made today are not the guns they used to be. They are now made in Turkey, just like the CZ's. Turkish doubles have yet to recover from the well built reputation of building junk guns. With that said, many people used to sa...

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Yes it is. Like I said, many people think the Miroku's are actually better. Do some research. Not to mention many of the Mirokus are the exact same guns as the Browning they make, without the Browning name. Look at a Browning, and it probably says Miroku gun Company on the barrels. If you can find a...

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That's why you should look for a Miroku. Awesome guns without the extra price tag, and twice the gun of the CZ. Miroku's are Brownings without paying for the name. Research them and you will find they are just as respected as a Browning or Beretta. Huh? I work in the shooting industry. No way does ...

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That's why you should look for a Miroku. Awesome guns without the extra price tag, and twice the gun of the CZ. Miroku's are Brownings without paying for the name. Research them and you will find they are just as respected as a Browning or Beretta.

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The simple fact is that while some women hunt, there is not enough draw for company's to market women's specific upland clothing. Filson tried it, and it didn't work. She Safari tried it, and couldn't make it work. There are very few women's upland clothes because there are very few women who hunt u...

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In that price range, you simply will not beat a Miroku. It's a Browning at half the cost. If you've never heard of Miroku, it's a Japanese company that build really nice shotguns, including most of the Brownings. http://www.gunsinternational.com/Miroku-O-U-20-Gauge.cfm?gun_id=100485044 http://www.gu...

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I'm a double snob, but could care less what anyone else uses. With that said, some of the Southern plantations do require a break action gun for safety. At least that's what they claim. I think it's a snoby issue as well though. I grew up shooting an 870 for pheasants. I shot the gun "OK". When I mo...

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How much did you expect to pay? That's what we pay as well for decent pants. If you want to go cheaper, get chaps. But whatever you get, remember, you get what you pay for. High quality and cheap don't belong in the same sentence, especially in upland gear. Elitist? My columbia pants were like $30 ...

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How much did you expect to pay? That's what we pay as well for decent pants. If you want to go cheaper, get chaps. But whatever you get, remember, you get what you pay for. High quality and cheap don't belong in the same sentence, especially in upland gear.

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My wife is a walking billboard for the Eddie Bauer upland gear. She loves it.

http://www.eddiebauer.com/browse/huntin ... sPage=GNAV

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Ya we did. She's 3 months old now and fitting in nicely.

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Congrats. I'm glad you found a pup from what looks to be a really nice breeding.

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The Quail Classic starts today in Grovespring MO. Good luck to everyone with a dog entered.

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I just got back from summer camp in SD and have my new pup picked out. The trainer, my wife, and myself all had input with my wife getting the final say. She should be home sometime in Oct. We ended up with 4 roanies, and two mostly white dogs. That suprised me until I remembered one of the dogs on ...

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I agree with the above statements. Get a dog with good lines and expose them to the type of birds you plan on hunting, and you will have a good dog.

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Not great Picts, but it's what I have so far.

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We've got puppies! 4 females and 3 males born today! Pictures to come!

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