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cmc274

If he is broke, he is broke and that's the standard that has to be maintained at the trial. Regardless if running in derby or broke dog stakes, I would pick him up for the tiniest infraction, regardless if the judges ordered him up. I'd also pick him up of they weren't handling correctly either. Pro...

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Get a kennel or a crate, not rocket science.

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Whereabouts? I grew up outside of Saltsburg, near clarksburg

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Good looking pup. I think that is your 2nd new one of the spring? Should be setup for a good fall.

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Best thing you can do is to go early (assuming you arent first brace of the trial) and watch. You will learn more walking a few braces than anyone can tell you on the WWW. Plus, you will want to know the course before turning your dog loose. Only thing you need are you, your dog, starter pistol and ...

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Well I am guessing ezzy isn't your friend since he is at the heart of most dog food arguments.

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Mo is first class. He has worked two dogs for me and I am very pleased with both. One was a problem child delayed chaser and the other he both started and finished.

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How's he bred? Go boy?

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There is no need to run the dog in any tests. You need to get the dog loving birds and introduce the gun properly. If not, good pointers can be had for around $400.

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Let the dog learn to handle loose birds. When he stops knocking them and handles them correctly, shoot him some birds. Don't worry about him standing through the flush until you break him.

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I like the belly band for whoa training then transfer to birds, no commands given dog move a stim then bird pops simultaneously,. If you taught on the neck then stim the neck for whoa, dog knocks the bird then correct it! No problem with the check cord, control the dog or the bird no excuse for err...

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I had been lamenting this very issue, though I think a GNAT chart may be more applicable, especially since you can throw in important developmental milestones. The other complaint I have with the systems out there is you get step by step processes, and stress the importance of following the steps a...

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these trials are only about 15 min away from the house. And you are right about people being very helpful. It was a wealth of information but I don't think the horseback trials are for me but at any rate I got to see a lot of good dogs and handlers as well as judges. I was 100% sure they weren't fo...

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You can be sure of sex and color.

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There is an Akc walking ft in Spring City in 2 weeks. I could dig up the info if interested.

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Id buy a started pointer that is available for right reasons. Highest chance of success of getting what you want.

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Possibly an orange or lemon & white shorthair.

In all honesty, it would be more beneficial for other breeds to be more worried about closed breed endurance stakes before venturing outside of their comfort level.

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You don't want to stump grind. Need a dozer with a root rake after the timber is cleared.

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I think the 30-40k is pretty high. I'd say 10-15k, which isnt chump change by any means. $4,500- Monthly training (450x10) $250- Boarding during not training months (125x2) $3,600- Entry Fees (12 trials at $300 each) $1200- Handler Fees (12 trials at $100 each) Sum- $9550 That leaves $5,450 for trav...

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Ol big sugar has been crying the same song since time and memorial. Responding to him only encourages him to cut and paste the same posts. I see no point in retrieving stakes as I am in the 'they are all force fetched camp'. If you want to evaluate natural retrieve, run them in an navdha na test. A ...

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Shorthairs are versatile, it's rabbit season right and rabbit tastes good right? Choot em! If you wanted a bird dog, should have got a pointer or setter.

Just messing with you, I've just ignored it and only nick them if they won't move on. Keep shooting em birds and they'll forget about rabbits.

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I bet Erin's War Creek's handler wish he was riding a shorter horse! Hope that dog had a chance to show it could run too.

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Doug, so if you ran a dog in an amateur shooting dog stake and it was beat by an AA performance, you wouldnt have an issue?

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Yep, who handled him to his SD wins? I believe Rick Stallings owns him.

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tn red wrote:
cmc274 wrote:
Saddle wrote:This is almost uniquely an AKC thing. If a dog wins the shooting dog in an American field trial he probably won't be in the mix in the all age nor should he be.
Cassique's Boss- National Open Shooting Dog Ch, Florida AA (biggest money trial of the year)
What year did he win the FLA AA?

2012

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A friend emailed this to me. Thought it was a good read. Below is Fred Rayl's post on diffference between a SD Dog and an All Age Dog. posted June 05, 2011 For an introduction Freddie Rayl has won 52 championships including the National Championship and over 70 runner ups. He is the son of Hall Of F...

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I talked to one guy with a very successful shooting dog and he splits the purse with the pro, I believe the AA guys keep the whole purse.

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Cary / Kery 901-eight 26-6 four 13. I'd call soon, and yes he has girl scout horses

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Saddle wrote:This is almost uniquely an AKC thing. If a dog wins the shooting dog in an American field trial he probably won't be in the mix in the all age nor should he be.

Cassique's Boss- National Open Shooting Dog Ch, Florida AA (biggest money trial of the year)

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Won the retrieving and non-retrieving. Not two stakes that carry different standards in the same weekend. The question is winning under two standards on the same grounds at the same trial.

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Casey- what do you mean by 'good'? Like the dog understood when the handler told him what stake they were running?

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As I read the results from the NGSPA Quail Ch, I noticed the same dog won Amateur Shooting Dog, won the Open All Age. The dog is obviously something special and not taking anything away from it. Since I was not there, I can only speculate how this can happen, as they are obviously different standard...

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The GSP Club of North Carolina will be hosting a three day horseback trial at the J. Robert Gordon Field Trial Grounds in Hoffman, North Carolina starting on March 1st. This is the first non-closed breed AKC trial to be hold on these premier grounds. The grounds consist of two 3 hour continuous cour...

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Lets do some simple math On the open course (i'll use 30 minutes for every brace even though there were 6 puppy braces and 5 derby braces). 23 braces over 2 days. That's 5.75 hours of time on the ground per day. Throw in an hour each day for call backs and 30 minutes for lunch and that is 7 hours an...

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Chukar12, Scoop in some circles...and a crackerjack investigator... http://www.gspcmtn.org/Premiums/GSPCMTN-1112FT-PL.pdf Two days...single course according to the premium and 41 braces expected...that is full even with the juvenile stakes. I don't know any of these people and really could not care...

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http://spinoneclubofamerica.com/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/6/Osage_Bria_Luchi_MH_%26_NAVHDA_VC.jpg a versatile champion,and a master hunter so a well trained dog who has accomplished much in its life,but field trial style? If we were only judging style, we would call it a beauty contest. Through field...

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Closed breed trials are good. Lets everyone compares apples and apples. If you asked the spinone to compete in open breed trials, next topic we would be lemon / orange and white spinones with slick coats because some ars-clown wanted to keep up with the Additions Go Boy looking shorthairs. I saw a t...

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Those were the judges.

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Chevyman, you need to start working on access to birds. It is 100% impossible to train a do without them.

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Maurice Lindley will be doing a seminar in VA in April. It is a very good event.

http://www.pineyrunkennel.com/seminars.htm

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To give you an idea of what it takes to find the cream of the crop, read this article from 1968. Its about 2/3rd through the article where they discuss how many prospects it takes to find 2 AA pointers.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

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Great photos and story. That's a special place.

Who in the world sent those two good looking shorthairs up to that big country?

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That is great news. Dougie is a super nice dog. They've been working hard for that last point!

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Both carry zero weight to me. Like someone said, its all about the dogs. I've seen titled dogs that did absolutely zero for me and untitled dogs that I'd love to have a pup out of.

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tn red wrote:This is the funniest thing i've read in awhile. Talk about gossip, like Fester said pick up the phone & call.

I chalk it up to the funniest thing I've ever read on the Internet. I got side stitches reading it.

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Troegs Perpetual IPA currently, have some champagne in the fridge (the real stuff)

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Chukar12 wrote:
cmc274 wrote:Anyone ever seen or heard of a shorthair or brit finishing (or running in) any endurance stakes? Southern, Continental, Free for All?
Rick Smith...Pacolet's Cheyenne Sam

International Endurance Shooting Dog Championship, 1972. Impressive stuff.

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Chukar12 wrote:
cmc274 wrote:Anyone ever seen or heard of a shorthair or brit finishing (or running in) any endurance stakes? Southern, Continental, Free for All?
Rick Smith...Pacolet's Cheyenne Sam

Sweet, give me some details, google didnt help me out.

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I was thinking about starting a topic and ask if pigs can fly. About as realistic. The thought that a shorthair* could compete in an 3 hour endurance stake with dogs that have been bred for 100 years for the sole purpose of winning the trial in question is stupid. Could a shorthair get qualified? Po...

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Way to take the moral low road, very disappointing.

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