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Congrats on win. How many were drawn in each?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJJEbvBSZ8

The pointers are handled from horsevack and the Spaniels come off the dog wagon, so not necessarily hunted together, but a good example of what can be accomplished.

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Better than the real housewives of xyz, but for the love of god FF those wirehairs.

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birddog1968 wrote:MTK and Deerskin

I haven't purchased one yet, but looking to pull the trigger on a mountain top that i had quoted in the future. Ainsley also gets a lot of good reviews. Check out the retriever forums, there is a lot of good Info on them regarding dog boxes.

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If you're all about running as many dogs in as many stakes in a weekend, probably isn't for you and your club. For some reason folks feel the need to run their dogs in every open, amateur and limited stake available. Reduce the number of stakes and make one an hour. We're going to run an hour stake ...

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http://www.snowcanyonoutfitters.com/lea ... -products/

Kent is a really good guy.

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http://donsforeverstainless.com/

Like these better than above mentioned. I have both and welds on Don's are better.

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I can't speak for perfect finish, however the best flying birds you can buy, the kind that fly the next county are always best for dog training. I'd rather pay for more birds than have crappy flying birds. More natural, less temptation & distraction for dogs.

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Threads are always better with photos and even better with video (click on image, its a video). Mo teased this pup up with a couple of pigeons in similar manner and let them fly off before I took this short video. Aint a thing wrong with letting a pup catch a bird or two, dont matter what kind of do...

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I had the same problem after Hcikox collar conditioned my 6 month old high drive, bold and confident, GWP pup to kennel at a four day seminar I attended. I attended another of his seminars two months later and the moment he took the lead, she shutdown. He handed her back to me proclaiming "I can't ...

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I would take the guided approach too with only one dog and making such a long trip. Too many things that could go wrong and spoil your hunt plus not being familiar with the area, game birds, their preferred habitat and tendencies, you could be disappointed. Maybe something like this: http://6xoutfit...

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You could buy a few higgins releasers and make your own electronics. The releasers are nice.

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Dont matter if you're adding Pointer, setter, hound or thoroughbred, good breeders know how to improve stock. Imo, big difference between intelligent out crosses and those that cheat so they can be a big fish in a little pond.

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http://www.pineyrunkennel.com/store.php

These are the ones Timmy is referring to. They're good.

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Proper education 1st, then apply for the job. Even with a masters degree the graduate still has to prove itself on the job. A solid foundation is a must though imo.. Talking dogs not people but it can be the same. I hunt very little now but stay busy training dogs for clients that hunt. I can't tak...

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Since you live in TX, I think the biggest factor to consider in a pointing breed is heat tolerance. I would take a serious look at pointers if you want a dog that is born with a ton of natural talent and have the highest heat tolerance. If you were hunting pheasants and ducks in ND, GWP would be a g...

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I think there is more to 'training' than obedience and steadying, which is the reason why I want someone that knows good bird dogs inside and out, the kind of experience that is gained through a lot of experience with good dogs on wild game. For those that have the resources, vacation and bird popul...

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Proper education 1st, then apply for the job. Even with a masters degree the graduate still has to prove itself on the job. A solid foundation is a must though imo.. Talking dogs not people but it can be the same. I hunt very little now but stay busy training dogs for clients that hunt. I can't tak...

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What was going through the dogs mind when it did the right thing (ie point or back like it was supposed to) and you waltzed in, picked it up and set it down on a pallet? It surely couldn't have thought it did the right thing. And it don't matter if Bill Rayl or Oscar the grouch trained it. No dog li...

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The pup is 9 weeks, it doesn't need to know anything about recall, whoa, or any such thing. More than likely it wont leave a 10' circle. To the OP: Find a good size open place, take the leash off, all will be fine. Just walk, watch the pup explore, dont say anything and you'll start creating the bon...

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I think there is a list of things that make good ones good, but something I see and hear again and again is that they have a plan. I was part of a conversation with a retired handler who has been out of it for about 30 years and he could still tell you exactly where, when and why he wanted himself a...

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There isn't mich you can do this time of year. Its hot and humid, plus scenting is tough. Some check cord work and possibly roading when the temp / humidity is right. There is a reason southern trainers and plantations managers have been going north for 120 years.

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Really I though folks would get points docked if the dog moves it feet as the bird flys away even to twist to see where it drops. I think opinions vary with judges on this matter. A bird flys behind the dog . Should the dog be allowed to turn with the birds flight ? Some yes , some no. I'm not a ju...

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If training a dog was this complicated, I'd take up another hobby. Get good flyin quail or maybe wild carded pigeons planted right and a helper. Keep it natural, no hobbling, throwing, bird bags, barrels, boards, treats, clickers, etc. Dogs were broke with nothing but a rope for 80+ years without a ...

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What kind of flies?

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birddogger wrote:
Ricky Ticky Shorthairs wrote:Every pro that I know uses the e collar. If you use it right it's the most valuable tool in the box!

Doug
+1

Charlie

+2. Have heard a bunch of folks talk about how the variable stimulation collar and modern dog food were the biggest advancements in the last 40 years.

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For house stuff like kennel, sit or would you rather be a Cleveland browns fan or a dead dog. For field work, no, I use praise. I've watched Maurice Lindley softly stoke a dog and I've tried to imitate it. Doesn't get the dog stupid happy, but lets him know he did it right.

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For the most part I don't want him distracted and ranging too far from me. He's doing a great job now staying in close but I'll absolutely lose him on songbirds. I'm also concerned it's a habit he won't break if it's not nipped in the bud eventually. If you have other suggestions besides an ecollar...

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I'd be more focused on getting him out for walks in the woods and fields and bird intro in a few weeks. Put the fire in him. House manners are a must, but other than that, I dont do much with mine that young. Just started working my pointer on recall at around 5 months.

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Can't measure heart or grit on a scale.

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They look real good. You guys will have a bunch of fun this fall.

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No less than 25 topics on this subject. Search and see what you find.

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I train all of my dogs, whether they are pointers or retrievers a "place" command....I just use a piece of astro turf though because I want to be able to take it with me until they become consistent. It comes in handy for many situations. I like the turf place boards too. Sometimes native grasses o...

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Test young. Give the pups plenty of exposure leading up to it and see what momma and daddy gave them. Obviously the scores will be lower than they would be if you tested them, but a 12-13 month old dog will have a lot of training in them.

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Doc E wrote:Gunfire (.22 blanks - from a short distance) when they are latched onto mom.

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No. Nothing to gain, gun intro can be done safely and easily later.

Throw a dead bird in there at 7-8 weeks.

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I was there a couple of months ago. I read up a bunch on catching a hard to catch horse and I tried just walking towards him until he gave into pressure, sure didnt work for me and I spent almost two hours on several occasions walking around the pasture. We made friends through grain. If he wanted t...

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CT_bassman wrote:I have 2 cats and another dog. How is he going to be getting along with them? I've heard both good and bad with DDs and other family pets.

You attached to your cats?

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Find a source for quail / chukar / ducks, maybe build yourself a loft for homers / shooter pigeons. Private / public land /ponds to train at. 12' Check cord and pinch collar. Some canvas retrieving dummies or maybe some of those dokken dummies. Dont need much. Plus some time, patience and realistic ...

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If you make them stand them, they are going to start pointing them and you're also going to haves dog standing around on a bunch of STFs. Not very useful dog to me. To each their own.

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I am a believer. The country separates the dogs pretty easily. They don't shoot wild birds. Season isnt in until sometime on September. Every dog with potential deserves a chance to prove themselves on wild birds at some point. Some dogs are what they are and the additional exposure won't benefit th...

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Campgsp, Even your explaination is arrogant. You don't even know what you don't know. The main thing you and others have left out, is training for finding wild birds when they are scarce, the purpose of a pointing dog. And why they need to go North. Neil, The dog has been north once and the OP indi...

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Does anyone know if you can shoot birds during the summer months on the Prairies? Not just pigeons!! Thanks No, it isn't hunting season. If your looking for a HT test dog, bring it home and find someone regionally you can work with. if you don't mind helping pay your trainers truck note, which soun...

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"4) Work them into the scent cone and Whoa them on first scent" Could you elaborate on this nutshell? I'm curious as to whether this training could contribute to false points/UPs? I'm not saying it does, just wonder if it could. Man I'm with you, pointing birds is between the dog and bird. I dont k...

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In a nutshell: 4) Work them into the scent cone and Whoa them on first scent For dogs that like to bolt and don't want to stand, you can also take it a step farther and blast a pistol then immediately Whoa the dog. This makes it so "Whoa" is a Whoa command, a bird in the air is a Whoa command and a...

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This came up at a seminar I went to this weekend (hard to win a field trial if your dog stops to eat grass). Look into turnip greens or talk to your vet about an OTC acid reflux medication. This is 2nd hand info so not much I can offer.

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I asked this question of someone today thats been around dogs for a long time. Asked as it relates to AA prairie trials, they said with the right judges and the old time AA dog would be competitive, but most of today's dogs would not be competitive with them. They emphasized that judges typically us...

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Not helpful, but reminded me of the story below. The disappearing to the front thing on the prairie is the best part of it. Excerpt from 'Down a Dusty Country Road' by Robert Frank published in the December 28th Field. “It was when Cherokee Jake attacked my horse!” Mr. Eaton had no doubt which story...

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I would say 95% of dogs will settle into a comfortable hunting range given adequate time to mature and enough bird exposure. I'd find some big expanses of land with no hazards and just try to keep quiet. You and your dog will be working as a team in no time, regardless if its 20 or 200 yards.

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This thread is about a professional trainer trying to promote his services, if you want to have a discussion on nesting birds, probably best to start a new topic.

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I can't speak to the cost, but you would need to get your existing floor diamond ground and some type of new flooring applied. I would stick with plain concrete for the budget approach. Could also look at some type of MMA (methyl methacralate) or real epoxy flooring.

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