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jetjockey

After an anxious last month and a half, my female Brit is FINALLY starting to show her pregnancy. She was bred in Mid May and she should have pups on the ground in about two weeks. We've been wanting to breed her for a few years now, but could never make it work out. Either the timing sucked with tr...

jetjockey

So here is something I just thought about. With all the new rules and steel shot, will Miroku o/u's hold up to steel shot or do I need to look a newer gun?? I know most older guns can't shoot steel shot because the barrels wont hold up. I have decided to get a Miroku unless it will not handle steel...

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From the research I have been doing, it looks like Miroku made Charles daily. Is that true? I would like to put my hands on one and a friend of mine has an old charls daily 20 ga that should have the same feel as the Miroku, unless Im totally off track. Yes they did. Shortly after they stopped maki...

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Thank you all for the input. It seems like its the age old question, which is better Ford, Dodge or Chevy??? I appreciate any and all opinions. Looks like I need to find a large gun supply and go shoulder them all and see what fits better. The answer is Chevy, by the way :D That's why I suggested M...

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All Im saying is know what your buying. 870's are fantastic guns of typically high quality and inexpensive to build. Inexpensive double guns? Not so much.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/turkish_invasion.htm

jetjockey

Not in the doublegun shotgun world. That's why I suggested Miroku shotguns. Absolutely fantastic guns for a great price. Notice I didn't say cheap? I said great price. Doubles are expensive to build. Corners have to be cut when building an inexpensive double. Beretta does it with their 686 White Ony...

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Except for the fact that CZ doesn't actually make shotguns. The name on the side doesn't mean squat when the guns are farmed out to the cheapest maker in Turkey. I'm not necessarily bashing Turkish guns, but there is a reason for the nickname Hu Glued! This is where consumer knowledge is very import...

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We could make these same comments about a BMW or a Lexus or several other vehicles. Rich K whats in your garage? Ezzy Bad comparison. We're not comparing cars. There's nothing wrong with an inexpensive shotgun if you don't use it much. But at the end of the day, with enough rounds, all shotguns wil...

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http://www.gunsinternational.com/4246-Charles-Daly-20ga-28-bls-mod-full-1970s.cfm?gun_id=100441305 Miroku's are twice the guns of the Semi-autos your looking at. Plus you don't have to worry about all the cycling issues that come along with semi-autos. BTW. I also have a Beretta 390 that sits in the...

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Here's what I'd buy in your price range. Miroku's are very well built guns that carry the Charles Daily, Browning, and the Miroku name. Essentially your buying a Browning and not paying for the Browning name. They are very respected in the O/U would. http://www.gunsinternational.com/Charles-Daly-Fie...

jetjockey

Skip the others. Save up a few more dollars, and get a quality used O/U with choke tubes. Solid Miroku's, Berettas, and Brownings can be had for about $1K on the used market. I grew up hunting pheasants in Sunnyside when there were still pheasants there. I used an 870 12Ga for years. A few years ago...

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Plus huntable numbers pheasants, quail, chukar, and Huns. Not to mention Springers, steelhead, sturgeon, and the fall B-10 fishing. Plus Roosevelt's Elk, Rocky Mt Elk, Blacktails, Mulies, and whitetails. And dont forget Halibut, Albecore, and Cod. Man.... I miss not living back home!!

jetjockey

What kind of quail? My dad runs into wild quail in WA state all the time while pheasant hunting.

jetjockey

Who said anything about out of sight? It's obvious you have no desire to learn about the FT world, so why do you post about it? For the record, I'm a hunter first and foremost. My dog gets trialed in 1 hr AA Brit trials, the occasional AAA weekend trial, and I foot hunt with her during the hunting s...

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The problem with sticking to a standard that was developed several hundred years ago, is that hunting conditions aren't the same as they were several hundred years ago. heck, they aren't the same as they were 20 years ago. With less and less birds, we need dogs who can go out and find fewer birds. T...

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Face it, they usually aren't. I just checked out the results of OLGD trial held by the Central Georgia Pointing Dog club. There were 20 starters. 10 Brits, 7 GSP's, and 3 V's. 1st-3rd were Brits, and 4th was a GSP....... The Brits never had a chance... Oh wait.. Never mind!

jetjockey

I'm also curious about the Jayhawk dog he mentioned, and which trial it was he judged.

jetjockey

You never answered my question about Brits vs GSP's. If what you say is true, why do GD Brits go head to head in All Breed trials with GD GSP's, and do just fine?

jetjockey

I think you try and breed for it with two parents who do the same, but at the end of the day, those dogs are found, not bred or trained. However, you will increase your chances of finding one of those dogs by breeding smart, independent dogs who run. That's one reason I laugh at people who judge tri...

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To say a Brit GD is any different than a GSP GD is ridiculous. There's many open breed trials where they go head to head which proves it. Not to mention the AKC All breed Nationals where there hasn't been a bit of difference between the two. I'll agree that just because a dog runs in AA, doesn't mea...

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Brittanys throughout their history have been bred as a close working ,quick, agile, and a biddable and responsive dog used by peasants when poaching the King's game. Their physical built makes them very well suited for that type of hunting but they were not built to be big fluid runners with their ...

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Did you ever think that the field standard for a pointer has little to do with a GSP or a Brit. Once we forget what pointers are doing and concentrate on what our breeds are supposed to do we can work on improving our breeds and stop trying to make them pointers. I love pointers and if I want a dog...

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Just shave them. Problem solved. Mine has been getting shaved since she was a year old.

jetjockey

People like "Jet Jockey" who feel the need to defend themselves by calling any one who disagrees an idiot or ignorant do a real disservice to field trials and all dogs. would you really won't to be braced with somebody like that if you are a beginner. You completely missed my point. The guy who tra...

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I have found that nearly everyone I've met at trials has been more than willing to help newbies out. I think most people, Pros included, understand that's it's important to get new people into the sport. While Pros do want to win, they want to continue running dogs, and getting paid for, it even mor...

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Your making me jealous. My trial season came and went in one week at the end of Jan. We got accomplished what we needed though...... Almost...... I had to make the deck ion between daycare and field trialing this spring. Daycare won out. Good luck and enjoy your season.

jetjockey

While trials are competitive and some people take them way too seriously, they don't have to be. Trials will be what you make them. For my wife and I, it's just a lot of fun to watch our dog run and do what she loves to do. Sometimes our dog wins, more often she loses. To me, the joy isn't in ribbon...

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The bottom picts are the start of the 1hr course, or one of the 30 minute weekend courses as well. The Course hits the top of the hill and turns left before dropping down, crossing the creek, and switching back to the right on the far hill in your pictures. It then turns right again and comes back a...

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Neil I've seen the type of scouting you are talking about. I watched a scout jump off his horse and nearly tackle a dog that was comig up from behind at the rear of the gallery. He drug his horse and the dog through the nastiest thickest briars you could get a horse through, then they went through a...

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My question is, how much better is the Champion dog out of a litter than any of the other dogs? Probably not that much better quality wise. I think you are wrong here. There can be a huge variation. While I agree that the trainer can make the difference between average dogs, super stars are born, a...

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One more question. Do the handler stay with the dog or the judges in a upper level trial? Cj Jerry...flesh that question out a little better. I guess I am not sure what you mean. If the dog is half a mile ahead is the handler galloping along trying to keep up and is are the judges doing that too. A...

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Ted, Have no idea what closed tests you are talking about but I have never seen one. And I think the point is true that the dogs with titles are the dogs that are owned by someone that spent the time and money to put the titles on them and there is no guarantee they were the best of the litter and ...

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Ted, Have no idea what closed tests you are talking about but I have never seen one. And I think the point is true that the dogs with titles are the dogs that are owned by someone that spent the time and money to put the titles on them and there is no guarantee they were the best of the litter and ...

jetjockey

I know the window is small, that's one of the reason I was asking. I talked to a fertility vet about a product called Cabergoline, and she said she's had great results with it. Has anyone used it? We have used cabergoline successfully 3 times out fo 4 attempts. I know a few other people that have u...

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What is a brit "suppose" to hunt like? And how does breeding those dogs over and over again improve the breed ? Nobody has answered the question though. In AF there is no "Standard". But there is certainly a difference between AF Setters and Pointers. If what you say is true Ezzy, that wouldn't be t...

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But READ your breed standard, study it and try to understand it. Someone above mentioned how the Brittany breed standard states that they're close working dogs. IT DOES NOT! Nowhere is range mentioned in the standard. The standard is the only thing that separates a Brittany from a pointer from a se...

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I've asked this elsewhere and never gotten an answer, why should dogs be held to a standard and not change? Why should they not advance by a performance standard? Did they have it right in 1850 ( or whatever year) and should stay static? Why? I don't think they should. You can't really breed for a ...

jetjockey

Did you watch the video? What was said around the 3:45-4 minute mark?

jetjockey

Could a professional do it? Most likely he could, but wouldn't waste his time due to the effort involved as you're rowing upstream against his DNA. Imagine a novice taking it on. Wanna bet? It's called learning the game. Many people do it, you just don't realize it. You will want to pay attention t...

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Thanks guys. I've spoken with a couple reproductive vets and received pretty consistent advice. The two month period is to get her bred. Not whelped and weened. This is the bad thing about owning a female dog that also trials. Their timing isn't always consistent to what you need. I'm looking forwar...

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Seems to me when she comes in is when she's supposed to; just doesn't fit within your desired timeline. Not all females have a definitive time between cycles; they could vary by a few weeks to a few months. Bred, whelped and back in shape in about 2 months... whelping is 2 mos after breeding and th...

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I know the window is small, that's one of the reason I was asking.

I talked to a fertility vet about a product called Cabergoline, and she said she's had great results with it. Has anyone used it?

jetjockey

Does anyone have any experience with bringing a female into season, that isn't in season? My female never comes into season when shes suppose to, and I want to get her bred this spring before she goes back to summer camp and the fall trials. I have about a two month window starting in mid April to g...

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Jetjockey (proves my point!!) BTW...nice training pictures...were the birds wild or liberated?...or maybe your state doesn't require hunter orange. Training on wild birds shooting blanks. The entire argument is basically pretty stupid. I call BS when someone says a 1000 yard dog won't miss birds on...

jetjockey

So in the grasslands...(never been there) There are no objectives, tree lines, ridges, draws, rock outcroppings, springs, feed strips, etc..? Where I hunt chukars, valley quail, mountain quail and grouse there are very identifiable casts to be made depending on terrain and weather conditions. So ev...

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I used Gun Dog Express and will NEVER use them again. Besides delivering my dog 4 days late, the lady driver dropped my dog off at the wrong location and was going to tie the dog to a tree in the shade, because she couldn't find the real address. She never called me when she was having difficulty fi...

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Here's the full version. Not very good quality unfortunately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvo2Al0F2X0

jetjockey

WHAT? You mean to tell me ALL Brittany's have Setter and Pointer DNA in them?

Blasphemy!

The full version of the show is way better. It really gets into the trials and field side of Brits. The sire of my pup shows up at about 1:36, in the roading harness. Cool video.

jetjockey

How about having to judge a trial with both, such as places like Di-Lane Plantation? You could have a dog with 1 amazing limb find on a wild covey, and a dog with 4 "trial finds", but looked great on its birds and ran a nice race as well. It makes it tough on a judge, and that's why the good ones do...

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If the dogs aren't hitting a certain area on a course, that's where I want the birds. Make the dogs go out and look for them. I HATE when birds are thrown down in the middle of the course. If my dog finds one or two birds in the middle of the course, that's where she stays. If she isn't finding bird...

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